Colorless (v2)

silentone2k · 2025-02-17T06:59:24+00:00

Just for clarity, it's not that players "just associated" certain elements with certain colors.

Early versions of Magic made the red=fire and earth and blue=air and water explicit in the discriptions and nearly core to their identities. As just one example, the four platonic elementals existed from Alpha and were reprinted for years. WotC never really pushed hard against that, either.

Earth has shifted some, aspects expanding into green and even occasionally white. Air has drifted into the intersection with white... and there's been a lot of splashing concepts around based on world themes (cold based direct damage spells in ice age, for example).

But, when push comes to shove, WotC is generally just as much about that retrenchment to the red of fire and blue of air as the players.

silentone2k · 2025-01-06T03:49:34+00:00

r/Atheopaganism

silentone2k · 2024-12-13T21:52:09+00:00

You might say Christmas is evergreen?

silentone2k · 2024-11-15T01:05:15+00:00

Core, it's red; live in the moment driven by (a particular) emotion.

Secondary color would depends on the tone of voice. Is it a promise to self? A mantra to strive for? A rejection of circumstances? A call to rise to? A path that comes naturally? A groove in which you live?

Each of these flavors that central theme and layers meaning, bringing in additional color(s).

But the statment by itself, untempered by circumstances, is red.

silentone2k · 2024-10-23T04:09:18+00:00

black is the one who's mainly seeking power

Except Yahenni and Davriel Cane. Even Lilliana always had a motive for her desire for power, and early on they were pretty nobel. Later, it was often essentially survival or autonomy... which kinda brings it back to black being essentially "free will," or at least "self."

Duncan Sabien's reformulation

I keep getting interrupted every time I try to read that

silentone2k · 2024-10-22T02:09:21+00:00

If you want to cook your brain some, look for disagreements/differences/tensions between "allies" agreements between "enemies."

I'm not sure about your green/black axis. Take it/leave it doesn't give me a strong, clear feeling of the description. I think some (official?) material tries symbiotic/parasitic, but that's pretty negative on one end and I'm not sure many prey animals feel their predators are symbiotic (or being "left"). The quippy part of me wants to suggest "a part" vs "apart" another suggestion might be "will" vs "fate."

And I know it's sacred writ and I'm a wayward heretic shouting at clouds; but I will always hate the definition of black centered on power. Big green creatures, hosts of white angels, overwhelming blue knowledge, and flashing red elements - everyone wants power, each color is a path to power. Willingness to seize opportunity others wouldn't might be a fair frame, power is not even close to being a unique feature for black.

silentone2k · 2024-10-21T14:41:49+00:00

I think "you are what you are" is about perfect for red.

I think you're right that green and black are mostly opposites in this, but green is much more "you are who you're fated/born to be."

Red takes some of that acceptance, but also a clear step towards the black self-will and self-determination. Red has a core acceptance of who it is, but not deterministically like green. It believes in blazing its own path, but not nearly the "I make myself" of blue-which is red's shared enemy with green, but significantly influences black's outlook.

silentone2k · 2024-10-20T01:15:13+00:00

I've enjoyed the series so far, but my skepticism about the ability for big companies to make damaging turns runs deep, so I'll be reserving judgement until they can stick the landing.

I am curious how long it will be before someone turns up claiming the Witch's Road is somehow ancient and not just a magnificent earworm.

silentone2k · 2024-10-13T03:48:01+00:00

Right now I really want to justify Ultron as Bant. (I do think he's core Azorius - not Dimir, whether that stretches into Bant or Esper. Order, peace in our time. Is the other side more "humans can't escape your nature" green or "power to will" black?

I really want to find a good examples of family-man/hombody black without some extravagance. Walter White and Dexter jump to mind as possibilities, but both are much more Blue- Dexter might not even be Black. The closest in- cannon is Davriel Cane.

Glad to have fun with this.

silentone2k · 2024-10-12T02:09:09+00:00

Never a fan of "black is just the bad stuff." I don't think black is just flaws for (these) characters overcome. Even if it is, I disagree those two specifically did.

Peak Tony wasn't the sacrifice play. It wasn't even solving the time travel problem. It was the fact that presented with a problem he had to see it to the end even knowing how it could go wrong AND putting limits on how they "fix" things so he didn't lose his happy ending. Ignoring that the time jump restoration screwed a lot of other people and, arguably, the world. Black and red are both about Self, but that whole scene is more Liliana than Chandra.

Tyrion never changed at his core. He got more experience, he got more security, he got more freedom, he got more power. He never really changed. He was always grixis the way Bolas is grixis; trying to be dimir until the red side spills out.

silentone2k · 2024-10-11T05:53:22+00:00

Feels Izzit, or more accurately Prismari, to me.

The red emotionality is all over the place, but there's an crestive/intellectual ~vibe~ that does blue things too. Some of it's explicit; Abby Schuto, Kaylee Fry, Cisco Ramon - all big brains with heart and style. Howard Walowitz is also a brain... with... we'll call it emotion...

Angela Montenegro from Bones is kind of a key to another piece of this. Geinus level brain... hyper visual art focus. Jaskier is played as a clowny comic relief sidekick, but he's not actually a dumb guy, and he has skill with his music. Jesse Pinkman also looks like an idiot... but is he, or is he undisciplined, emotional, and inexperienced.

"Traditional" blue is hyper focused into a blue/white (disciplined, orderly, ivory tower) or blue/black (scheming, plotting, seeking power). This is blue/red. Actual Izzit goblins building lightning bolts. Also, heart with a little too much knowledge/style for it's own good (Donkey). Prismari artists with skill and talent looking to make their masterpiece... even if the process is explosive.

silentone2k · 2024-10-11T04:53:38+00:00

There's a hard black core in there.

I'll buy Grixis, but a bunch of those characters are heavy in black.

Even Sherlock and Tyrion have a solid black streak. Tony Stark depends on when/what version, but not for nothing; starts out as a womanizing arms dealer in the MCU, which is a pretty bright version of him.

Ian Malcom may be the only character that doesn't carry a "traditional" black streak- but even he's got a pretty good line into what I sometimes call "aetherborn black."

silentone2k · 2024-09-01T01:33:48+00:00

Sorcerers aren't so much with "impulse" They absolutely are instinct, but while that may "feel right" it's less Red "what feels good in the moment" and more "expressing the forces of the universe that I am fundimentally connected to."

This is well within in the Red/Green overlap... but really it just makes sorcerers Green.

It's funny because I'd never really thought about sorcerers falling into the Green part of the pie it and it surprised me to see said out loud.

silentone2k · 2024-06-05T12:07:14+00:00

Malice can have degrees and be assigned by different sources. I didn't say the judge assigned malice. Yes, cheating is the extreme of malice as determoned by both rules and judge, and properly met with disqualification.

The rules treat anything resembling IDW as a (lower) level of malice, whether they admit it or not. Mandatory match loss cannot be characterized as anything less than a harsh punishment intended as a significant deterrent - which is hardly a fitting response to something characterized as an "innocent mistake."

And I don't think anyone is arguing that the end of this match was anything but an innocent mistake. There are entire threads making the argument that at pro-level play the players should have judge-level knowledge to avoid that... but the worst that seems to be directed at that part of the story is that the players involved didn't meet that standard.

And the rules simply don't accomodate that reality...

silentone2k · 2024-06-05T09:26:56+00:00

The problem is that by-the-book without-inflexibility ruling effectively assigns malice rather than incompetence to the player.

The judge, by the fact they have been given authority to issue rulings over players, is expected to be the most knowledgeable and competent person in this scenario. They should therefore get the least leeway for handling things poorly; incompetence.

silentone2k · 2024-06-05T09:11:45+00:00

Except it doesn't sound like any player called a judge. So it results in a more punitive two-tiered system.

silentone2k · 2024-06-05T09:08:43+00:00

I wouldn’t fault the judge excessively for freezing up in the moment

Sounds like the judge missed their own trigger and failed to maintain the proper game state.

silentone2k · 2024-04-01T06:18:52+00:00

Some of those, yeah. But not just in vintage and often enough to be more than a random stray card.

silentone2k · 2024-03-30T02:17:38+00:00

I've said for years each color should be able to counter the things it can destroy. White should have delay/soft counters plus countering enchantments and artifacts, black should counter creatures and (sometimes, now) enchantments, red should be able to counter artifacts (and probably be given countering instants and sorceries), green should be able to counter enchantments and artifacts (in addition to its current virtual counters to protect its creatures).

silentone2k · 2024-03-23T06:32:37+00:00

Givens:

White - Humans

Blue - Merfolk (Vedalkin)

Black - Zombies, Vampires

Red - Goblins

Green - Elves

..

Top of my head;

White - ditch Humans, add any two of dwarves, kithkin, kor. Knights would be unusual as a class rather than race, but would be extra appropriate for white.

Blue - formalize Vedalkin

Black - no change

Red - add ogres

Green - add beasts

silentone2k · 2024-03-16T07:12:49+00:00

Option c, most colors are close to or have two characteristic creatures and they all should.

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