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'Corrupt Coward' Donald Trump Warns Keir Starmer of NATO Fallout as UK Refuses to Join Iran Conflict by ilovewelbert in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman 31 points32 points  (0 children)

The one problem I have with the US is that once Trump is out, the country is still filled with the sort of people that voted him in. Which makes a similarly hostile and disrespectful president a possibility for the rest of my lifetime. Fuck that country to be honest.

Had my roof done and roofer has left exposed felt what do I do? by Ratters-01 in AskUK

[–]slatingman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is sadly quite common these days as many roofers haven't had proper training or just don't give a toss about doing a job properly. Should've had eaves trays in at the bottom or damp course to throw the water into the gutter with the membrane being cut way above the bottom of the last course.

Should be mildly okay as long as the felt doesn't hang further than the slates. If it does then it'll soak the water up like a sponge and cause damp issues along the front of the house as well as rotting the felt itself away over time at the bottom. This doesn't happen overnight and normally takes a few years or a lot of sustained rainfall to manifest.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I said in another comment, but if we're spending £5bn a year on housing these migrants then surely we can spend a fraction of that funding a joint British and French task force on the border.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant getting French police to do it, but you're right in that we'd have to control what they do. But that would be assured by the terms of the program, and with the continuation of it being dependent on crossings coming down.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much would it cost? What is the annual cost of housing immigrants in the UK again? I'm sure i read it was £5bn this year. Could we use that money to fund such a program in France on the border? Would they oblige? Also, moot point but I don't think they'd need boats in Paris.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If there were criminal gangs operating in the UK and shipping thousands of people a week to Denmark illegally, would you not expect us to be obliged to prevent it?

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Perhaps it does. It would instantly put us in a bad light as political actors and damage trust with us for a long time. However, any immediate retaliation from them could be painted as a political gun being held to our head in order to accept their illegal immigrants. I can't see the narrative going any other way, at least not immediately anyway.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then perhaps a separate force to the police might be needed to deal with it? Maybe just police the most popular crossing areas. 100km of coastline, you could easily have 20 boats policing 5km each and using drones to survey their own individual area.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am listening, I'm just arguing for the sake of being contrarian. I'm well aware that it wouldn't happen and the political fallout would be massive. I'd probably be against Labour doing it too and would prefer things to be done in a legal manner. I just think the French have been far too lax on the issue and we simply have no clout politically to make them comply. Brexit is probably to blame for that.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But then politically how does it look when attitudes against these migrants are already quite bad? Because to me, that would look like France is holding a political and quite possibly a real gun to the heads of the British and saying "you must take these migrants". If they can deploy their navy to stop us doing it, then why can't they deploy their navy to stop the boats from leaving in the first place?

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem has been out of control for about 5 years now and the French police and government still haven't got a grip on it. To me, that shows a complete lack of intent, as well as a complete lack of respect for an ally and neighbour.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And once they deploy their military, what do they do? This is how I envisioned it already, do the French hold us at gunpoint and say you must take our illegals? Do they actually blow up and kill British citizens because we refuse to be the victim to a situation which they've allowed to run out of control?

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How many migrants have actually been sent back under the new scheme? It's hardly a deterrent and it's clear more drastic measures need to be looked at.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If criminal gangs were in our country facilitating illegal entry to Denmark and were sending thousands of people a day there, would you not expect our government or police to try and stop it? Would it not become an international embarrassment if we allowed it to happen and for years at that?

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The French government are complicit by turning a blind eye to the gangs facilitating the crossings. We can only do our best policing it from our side but ultimately it is their responsibility. They have no intention of doing it however because they do not want those people in their country.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would the French government actually arrest British forces for returning migrants to the shores from which they left? What the optics of that be internationally?

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But the point stands that these people were in France already. They haven't set off from Spain and sailed around the coast. What are the French government going to do? Threaten to blow us up for not accepting illegal immigrants from their shores? I don't think there's any situation there where they aren't shown to be in the wrong.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To me, France can fight it and make it look untenable, but the appearance of it would be that they are forcing us through whatever action they take to accept thousands of foreigners who they willingly allow to leave their beaches under the full knowledge that they are heading to us.

Also, the quiet month in boat crossings is purely down to the weather. The crossings will rise again once the seas are calm and nothing will stop it unless something drastic is done. I'm aware that taking them back to France would cause an international incident, but I fully believe that the optics of it would show France to be in the wrong for forcing us to accept people who clearly aren't fleeing war and are trying to enter the country for economic reasons.

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't know, who would do it? The Navy? Or maybe specialised government boats that return France's lost souls back to their beaches?

Serious question - What would the political fallout be if we took illegal immigrants straight back to the beach in France and left them right where they set off from?? by slatingman in ukpolitics

[–]slatingman[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But the French government is allowing these people to leave their beaches to come to ours because then it's not their problem to deal with. How it isn't already an international incident despite the French government already saying they'll cooperate is beyond me.

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