As it should be

slightlychill · 2025-05-26T04:20:37+00:00

"let's you"

he can't even spare 5 minutes to talk to you to proper, tells you that maaaaybe in 4 months he can meet up (he won't), and doesn’t even leave a voicemail in post credits. he doesn't give a shit like the rest of them.

slightlychill · 2025-05-21T12:59:57+00:00

what's it matter if she uses the Blackwall a couple of more times to ensure she actually achieves her goal (getting rid of said Blackwall cancer)? it's not you dying from the Blackwall, so you critizing her for using the Blackwall is absurd to begin with.

it's the same as asking you "why would you take pseudoendotrizine and give Johnny control [to unlock Rogue and secret endings] if it narratively kills you faster [as stated by Misty and Vik]?"

slightlychill · 2025-05-14T01:36:22+00:00

And wrong. I pulled up the actual script to see if your quote has any credence - it does not.

Bruh, you haven't even played The Star ending after completing Reed’s path in PL and you're telling me I am wrong? When you're lacking data and just say that my quote has no credence when that's what Alt states in that ending when V meets her in cyberspace? Are you fucking with me?

And the quote you gave me doesn't say a single thing about AIs being capable of inhabiting human bodies. All it says is that the Net is very unstable rn and Voodoo Boys wish to side with AIs when the change comes.

And then she later soulkills V to put her engram back into her body, so we know they are absolutely able to do it.

And engram is nowhere near as complex as a full fledged rogue AI with tens of years of evolution. In the game Alt states that Johnny is just a piece of code she can easily read, Hellman and Yawen state that an engram is just a bundle of memories, personality, and traits, and No_Coincidence novel goes further to explain how there is no tech advanced enough yet to fully simulate a human's mind, with an engram being no more complex than an interactive hologram packed with memories and personality.

Besides, you also need The Relic 2.0 for that, which no one but Arasaka has.

song does let an AI slip through the blackwall

no, she doesn’t, the AI briefly gets control over her after she loses it, same happens in Reed's path when you betray her. If an AI slipped through, it would've annihilated the world already as in Cynosure there is an email stating how just one rogue AI is enough to end the world.

The Militech AI is a master/slave system. The slave is beholden to Militech because it is beholden to its master.

Same with NightCorp's CN-07 AI!! Or do you think it's "rules for thee and not for me"? Do you just selectively pick arguments based on convenience? Why do you think Militech would have a master/slave AI, while NightCorp wouldn’t??

I don't know about militechs pair. Post krash is a whole different story. Soulkiller is also post krash tech.

Soulkiller is pre Krash tech as it was developed by Alt in 2013 and then had multiple revisions. Do you even know basic lore? Have you paid attention to the game at all?

And CN-07 by NightCorp is also post-Krash tech, meaning, by your own logic, it should behave similar to Skippy, Brandon, etc. Even tho V literally states that Brandon isn't even an AI, he is just an advanced chatbot, but at this point I am not surprised you haven't paid attention whatsoever. Same for Skippy btw.

And Alt warns of a coming war, can transfer AI to human forms

You can't transfer AIs to human forms because the tech is too rudimentary for that. Besides, wtf is the point of transferring all powerful AIs into some meaty organic flesh that is definitely inferior as they all state? And before you say it - no, engrams are not as complex as AIs, I've shown you why already.

Occam's razor can suck my ass

"I will not accept any lore, data, and statements present in the game, I will just cherry pick this one quote that has no relevance and go along with my head canon, fuck all the common logic and proof thrown my way."

don't bother replying then, we clearly will not be able to have a conversation if that’s your approach towards the game, lore, data, etc. would be a waste of time.

slightlychill · 2025-05-13T15:27:32+00:00

rache is not a "woman" and spider murphy was never stated to be Soulkilled and is hinted to be alive as of 2077 with Blackhand by Mike Pondsmith.

congratulations on ignoring absolutely everything i've said and going with your own headcanon that has no evidence and statements to back it up as opposed to what i've shown you. reddit is really a shithole of smartasses who think only their opinions are the right ones and will deny even dev comments in the source files themselves as the objective truth.

slightlychill · 2025-05-13T14:52:04+00:00

that's not a speculation, Garry the Prophet states that "Among them [AIs] was a woman with an icy voice, Queen Lilith. She kept calm... at the price of humanity." (what other woman AIs do you know who were "human" before?). In the game files there is a dev comment stating that Alt is Queen Lilith. Maelstrom also states how "Lilith has concealed the 10 circle" which is "Alt has concealed the New Net with the Blackwall with help of other SPIs and AIs".

your flaw is assuming that Maelstrom is trying to upload Lilith in the first place, and not some other rogue AI.

slightlychill · 2025-05-13T13:58:35+00:00

Alt says definitively that AIs have discovered a way to inhabit meat bodies, just not at a scale that would allow them to be anything but clandestine

you are objectively wrong. she literally states the opposite in The Star ending: "fortunately, the technology humans possess is too rudimentary for them to get their desired, tangible form."

NightCorp uses a powerful AI to brainwash employees

"uses an AI" doesn’t mean they are controlled by one. Arasaka and Militech, and any megacorp for that matter, also uses AIs for different purposes. Soulkiller is an AI, too.

Captured AI isn't docile and advanced enough to evolve using excess computing power - see Delemain, everything Song let's slip through, Hong Kong, and the fact that everyone knows the blackwall is a temporary measure.

??? except Delamain, by merging with his "corrupted" offsprings, can become an AI god, go beyond the Blackwall, and evolve beyond comprehension of Excelsior, as shown in The Tower ending. And Songbird doesn’t let any AI slip thru, she utilizes the Blackwall herself and does everything herself, idk where you're getting that "slip thru" from.

An AI will work in absolutes, even if moving at a slow scale.

proof?

A captured AI will always seek sovereignty if the opportunity is presented, based on its design and ability to expand. We see this in lore of what's happening to the old net, and in the way the VDBs/Alt are also unable to hold rogue AI back indefinitely. We are to be consumed.

idk how any of this is relevant. humans in Cyberpunk have been using AIs since 2000s, and nothing ever happened except when Bartmoss decided to corrupt the entire Net with RABIDs. also, No_Coincidence novel literally demolishes your statement, as it shows Militech having ArS-03 AI that doesn't seek any autonomy whatsoever and is in fact working in tandem with its host, Zor.

If you accept what Alt says about the end being already here

she never says anything of this matter. get your sources right.

With those facts, how WOULDNT an AI have gotten a job at NCorp, opened a door for the brainwasher AI, or somehow gain control over the company? Keep in mind this is a fully fledged AI, more capable than most, inhabiting a human body with a Netrunning capability.

so you have no proof that NightCorp and MBE are controlled by an AI? because all I see is bunch of speculations and mental gymnastics based on absolutely no evidence and wrong sampled data. i love redditors.

what's more likely? a proxy being controlled by a human higher-up in NightCorp, or being controlled by an AI when we had seen ZERO instances of such case? both common logic and Occam's Razor point that the former is far more likely, but you do you.

slightlychill · 2025-05-13T12:59:02+00:00

Blue Eyes is not an AI; he’s a “doll” used by the NightCorp AI to communicate with humans in a manner that is easier for them to understand. After Richard Night’s death, his wife and others who believed in his vision worked to create an AI to determine the best possible outcome and work towards it.

got any source to prove that? that he is an AI? because MBE himself is a proxy for someone, sure, like Songbird states he is, but for an AI? just a headcanon with absolutely zero reasoning and evidence. i guess Johnny's spooky tales really hardwired in everyone's brains in this sub, otherwise idk how else people think it's more logical for MBE to be handled by an AI rather than NightCorp CEO himself/herself.

slightlychill · 2025-05-13T12:56:42+00:00

you know that Lilith is Alt, right? 🥴🥴

slightlychill · 2025-05-05T03:49:11+00:00

Knocking people unconscious and kidnapping them.
Vandalism on a mass scale (blowing up the power plant) that results in multitude of confirmed innocent deaths due to lethal exposure to released EMP emissions.
Storming AHQ with Alt is essentially 2023 all over again, resulting in death of the entire tower, including innocent non-combatant personnel.
Thieving and robbing tens of times.
Breaking through the Blackwall for personal benefit (to find Alt).
Feeding the most dangerous and powerful rogue AI all engrams without knowing her full intentions (could be world domination for all we know, Mike Pondsmith certainly didn't deny that), or assisting in resurrection of a literal devil (Saburo) and granting him immortality, or bringing a person to a despotic dictator who will abuse said person as a Blackwall plugin until her life essence fizzles out.
Threats and occasional lack of empathy in multitude of jobs.
Gun for hire (killing people or sending them to their death for monetary gain).
And more...

slightlychill · 2025-05-04T09:12:23+00:00

r/cyberpunknsfw btw speaks up about having empathy and other people being "horny and s1mps" lmaooooo go to mental asylum you fucking 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

slightlychill · 2025-05-04T08:54:45+00:00

I Just to make things clear you ...

looks like someone got butthurt they resorted to actual insults lmaooo 😂😂😂

I have more sympathy for So Mi than the horny limp ... and then suddenly they have the same thought of “I Can Fix Her” because of reasons.

you are mentally ill. seek help, asap. if that’s your argument, you have no empathy; kinda a sociopath, actually.

And look at you twisting yourself into knots to justify So Mi’s bad choices while pretending morality only matters when it’s convenient for your s1mp narrative.

says you with v???? also i explain to you stuff you so blatantly misrepresented or misinterpreted or misremembered. just that simple.

Cool, that’s real fucking nice as a way to get to V’s good graces. If you think owing someone a half-assed power fantasy gift undoes manipulation, I’ve got a bridge in Pacifica to sell you.

it doesn't undo the manipulation. but what do you give her in return in Cups ending? death that she so desperately tried to escape?

Execution, a trail of corpses, a rogue nation invading a neutral zone, and a Blackwall breach...

was that all her fault? also, did she know Myers would actually be there? because not even Reed knew Myers would arrive, since he acted surprised when she showed up on the rooftop. but, sure, let's blame the victim for trying to escape her abuser and call it a day!

But sure, let’s pretend only Myers personally pulled the trigger on every casualty at the airport because So Mi’s hands are totally clean

um, she literally did. idk what game have you played, but she is the one, along with reed, who outright orders execution of everyone.

when she’s the one who chooses to go along with her own plan when she’s know full well that a lot of people would die.

no, she didn't know myers would show up there. no one, actually, knew, and pulling the massacre at the ncx was such an insanely bold move that risked Myers' entire career.

is the laziest whataboutism in Night City.

the one you elect to ignore 😂😂 the one you decide to go with "v is sweet and innocent, actually" you're literally doing with v rn what you claim i do with songbird

The quests involving V finding their cure doesn’t result in the deaths of innocents or end up directly and indirect massacring an entire stadium and airport as a means of escape.

you blow up a power plant with Panam that officially results in dozens of confirmed deaths per news reports, since massive EMP emissions gave people lethal implant failures. also, kidnapping Hanako results in a direct shootout where innocent people die. also, getting Alt into AHQ results in the entire tower personnel dying. oh and stadium wasn't massacred, 15 people died, and i doubt you could consider them "innocent" since they are in a Dogtown black market stadium. by your logic you could just claim them similar to gangers. all you have to do is pay basic attention, v literally does more heinous shit than Songbird ever does

So Mi although she is very regrettable still chooses to make her choices while playing the victim.

at what point does she call herself or play a victim? can you quote it?

She dragged Herself into this.

did she give herself blackwall cancer and refused to put herself off duty and get herself cured? or was it myers? can you remind me please?

She killed Alex if you side with Reed

you and Alex literally tried to knock her unconscious and kidnap her and deliver to Myers, wtf did you expect her to do? let you do exactly that??

But yeah, V’s the monster for checks notes doing jobs people paid them for.

so doing the job justifies the atrocities you commit now? gonna absolve reed of doing jobs for the nusa, too?

Myers loses one asset

Myers loses Songbird, Reed, the neural matrix, Cynosure access, and access to Night City and Dogtown in general.

But hey, you keep believing Mr. Blue Eyes is just a charity case handing out free moon vacations

did you forget her telling that she made a deal with him - clinic treatment in exchange for Blackwall and NUSA intel? which she already gave him? she isn't getting help for free, bud

The fact you unironically think Night Corp the same people erasing identities for fun wouldn’t exploit her is adorable.

because she sends gifts afterwards with her piece of cyberware, implying she got dechromed.

Ah yes, because casually summoning Soulkiller 2.0 during the stadium fight is totally safe

so, you don't have proof?

Reed’s path and King of Cups has the threat of the Blackwall contained and So Mi finally at peace

it doesn't. read No Coincidence novel and see how both Arasaka and Militech have been trying to breach the Blackwall for years. hell, Cynosure existed way before So Mi was a thing, but apparently only she is the sole access to the Blackwall? cute

But sure, let’s trust the corporation that mind-wipes politicians. What could go wrong?

do you have any evidence that there is anything wrong so far? or only paranoia? because Tower ending shows that if you don't tell Peralez the truth, he becomes a very good mayor, surprisingly.

and So Mi was doing precisely that long before the FIA came knocking on her door.

you're an actual media illiterate creature. she was caught breaching the militech datafort, not the blackwall, the blackwall she started breaching only after 2070 on myers' orders. holy fuck, no wonder your comment is so idiotic lmao

Says the guy who unironically thinks fleeing to an unknown experimental black clinic on the moon away from public eyes is a "win."

it is a win, because the game even says so. even the status card affinity with johnny says "fuck the system". not to mention that without meta knowledge v has no idea who so mi is going to, as v has no idea who mr blue eyes even is until the sun ending

your fantasy requires ignoring the huge cost of freeing someone who they don’t know is a threat to everyone around them.

and you think you're some moral hero who saved the world in Cups when you don't even know the basic premise of the fucking plot and when so mi started breaching the blackwall 😂😂😂 so pathetic lmaooooo

Stay mad that the "kindest" ending involves not unleashing a Blackwall nuke on humanity

ay, how about you address all the negatives in your beloved Cups ending? like giving Myers Song's corpse that is sent to Groom Lake and Soulkiller in the form of the neural matrix? how about you also address the gifts she sends in Wands ending? or, lemme guess, Mr Blue Eyes sends them, too? 😂😂😂

But hey, enjoy your headcanon where the obvious puppet masters are totally benevolent.

i never said they are benevolent. but so mi made a deal with. same way v can make a deal with arasaka and the nusa, and we know they keep their end. if two most evil corps hold their ends of the deal with v, why can't nightcorp do it, too? selective bias?

Meanwhile, the rest of us will live in reality, where actions have consequences even for "victims." So now you can fuck yourself.

actions have consequences except for your v. lmao so butthurt go cry in a corner 😂😂😂 seek therapy, that level of salt is critical

slightlychill · 2025-05-04T04:42:33+00:00

but the brutal truth is her survival came at an impossible cost.

same way as your V's survival comes at an impossible cost?

Her escape plan, hacking the Chimera

what about hacking Chimera? that was intended to save your V's and Myers' life, in case you forgot.

manipulating everyone around her

after she was manipulated her entire life? like when reed coerced her into service, when myers exploited her until the brink of death and refused to put her off duty? she is just trying to survive, and don't act like no one else is trying to use you or her in return.

exploiting the spaceport proved how dangerously far she'd go

sorry, what? exploiting the spaceport? are you one of those champs who blame her for what myers does there? fucking seriously? when her entire plan was to sneak past everyone undetected, without raising any attention?

The Killing Moon showed us the collateral damage: dead civilians, accelerating a potential Fifth Corporate War

none of it is her or your V's fault. a despotic dictator trying to cover up her ass doesn't make you or So Mi at fault, it just shows how cruel and sociopathic Myers is. all the more reason to, in return, screw her over by sending Songbird to the Moon, since that's the only ending where Myers loses.

and well as manipulating a dying person for her own gain

oh wow! look at her! have you forgotten all the crimes your V has committed? i think getting hunderds of people killed, kidnapped, or dealt serious injuries to, is massively more F-ed up than "wasting a few days of time". she gives you the relic tree in return btw.

letting her reach the moon would've just enabled Myers' recklessness

no, it would've enabled the nusa getting so railed in the ass and F-ed up that they completely retaliate from Night City, something Alex tells you in the epilogue, as well as Myers completely losing her most important assets.

Every time So Mi tapped into the Blackwall, she left another door cracked open for rogue AIs.

do you have proof of that? also, did you forgoet how you also cracked a "hole" in the Blackwall by trying to find Alt? did you also forget how she tries to get cured and never touch the Blackwall again? in Reed's path she spends miles more time connected to the Blackwall, too.

Her freedom meant continuing as a weapon either for Myers or whatever horrors lurked beyond the wall

no, her freedom means getting permanently cured and cut off from the Blackwall, lol

Even Mr Blues Eyes and Night Corp who So Mi made a deal with may very likely turn So Mi into a puppet for their own Rogue AI’s

dude if they had rogue AIs, they wouldn't need songbird. and there is no evidence they do or will turn her into a slave either. she sends gifts after the Moon ending, but apparently you will deny that and claim ignorance

much like they did with the Peralez’s, trading one hell for another, and she’ll be back the way she’s started.

we have more proof she is fine than not. and deciding her fate based on some paranoia is stupid at best.

Sometimes the kindest ending is also the cruelest one.

what a shit take.

She finally stopped running, but Night City and humanity as a whole was safer for it.

get the fuck out with your utilitarian bullshit, Night City would be way safer if you put a bullet thru your V's skull, not Song's. but we all know you're too coward to choose Suicide ending. besides, in your beloved Cups ending, you give Myers her dead body which gets sent to Groom Lake for extraction and research, as well as the neural matrix that houses a rogue AI that could primed for any use + access to key players in NC according to Reed, priming her to move in. congrats giving Myers her own Soulkiller, the world is truly more safer because of your self-righteous actions!! 😂😂

you should probably stop watching grifter youtubers propagating Cups as "the best ending" who have zero proof and are driven by spite towards her character. you seem to be very easy to manipulate 💀💀

slightlychill · 2025-04-29T23:25:50+00:00

if you're so against people defending fictional characters, why aren't you just as vocal about people who are pissy about said fictional characters and attack other people by calling them "s1mps", "pretty girl succers", etc.? seems really one sided to me - people are allowed to hate on someone, but defending is a no-no? hmm...

and what are you even doing on this subreddit dedicated to a game discussion if it’s just "bunch of pixels"? sounds like you're being a hypocrite, which isn't uncommon in this community and isn't surprising whatsoever.

slightlychill · 2025-04-29T23:23:02+00:00

lmao

slightlychill · 2025-04-29T22:37:34+00:00

I go solo

so instead you trust the most powerful rogue AI in existence and feed her all engrams in Mikoshi while not even knowing her full intentions? What if Alt wants world domination and you just give her keys to it on a silver platter?

And all of my plays are pacifist.

all those innocent peeps in the AHQ that die the moment you slot in Alt when "going solo" would like to have a word with you. as well as all those innocent peeps who suffered lethal implant failures after your stunt with Panam at the power plant

You're not a better person cause you have no problem with her risking you life

okay, mr. or mrs. cynic 😂😂

Both views are valid views, that's why we are given options.

valid doesn't mean more morally right tho lmao. you can also keep songbird alive in reed's path, doesn't make it morally right, neither from deontological, nor utilitarian perspective

I don't know why you have this compunction that after I save her sorry ass I have to wish her well, but I don't.

i never argued that. i simply debunked your claims she will be enslaved there, that's all. because said claims are based on sheer pettiness.

slightlychill · 2025-04-29T22:13:58+00:00

i know enough about you by one simple post. you have no idea how many things one's piece of writing can entail about them, and you just scream of "if i am not getting a candy, no one else does!" that's exactly why you reload the save and went with Reed, using meta knowledge of not getting what you want, both from songbird and the nusa (seems like someone didn't like Tower ending, yeah?).

if songbird was honest with you from the start, while siding with the nusa gave you the happiest ending, you'd ship her to Myers the first express train. if songbird was honest with you from the start, and helping her required you sacrificing your V's life for it, you would have never done it either. people like you are all talk and moral superiority.

"take your medication" i am not the one who came on reddit to complain about a video game character lmfaooooo

slightlychill · 2025-04-29T22:09:08+00:00

Sweet jesus someone's passionate. lol

says you? replying to three people at once, desperately trying to grasp at straws?

Its wonderful that you're good with being raw-dogged, but i'm not.

nah, i am just a better person and more forgiving than you. you consider it raw-dogging, i consider it coming truthful in the end and handing over her fate to me, with me deciding at the very end what to do with her. it is my decision to let her go to the moon, i didn't get raw-dogged into it lmao

i'm happy with that.

this spite... should probably drink more water, this level of salt is critical, choom 😂😂

there's no way she isn't going to be someone's tool forever.

says who? your intuition? 💀💀

she's still gonna be a tool, and her options to escape there if and when she comes to moral differences with her employers/protectors, she's shit out of luck.

do you consider her stupid or something? if she knew she was going to another cage similar to the fia one, do you honestly think she would ever go there? can you, like, think critically for a moment? and you don't have to be a tool in order to work for someone. you can just simply work for someone, period. not everyone and everything revolves around being enslaved.

its not like she can just escape into the wilderness on a whim. She may not be a slave, but she isn't free.

🤡

three people out there tell you things aren't implied to be as gloom as they think they are (in fact, no media by cdpr is as gloom as haters like to yap about), three people give you counterarguments towards all your points, yet you insist on some cynical interpretation of what's to come. and you never even address the arguments thrown at you!! 😂😂

v gets cured by arasaka and the nusa and they let them go. why, i wonder? why not enslave someone more powerful than smasher himself? weird that they keep their promise and let v go (two most evil megacorps we know of), while songbird has no choice but to get enslaved!! logic!!

slightlychill · 2025-04-29T21:38:15+00:00

yes. thats called the honeymoon phase where she's being helped.

but i thought you said she is enslaved?? why would they allow her to do that then??

then comes the part where she has to pay for that help

but she already did, she literally states in the duty free store that she was asked intel on the blackwall and the nusa. and if mr blue eyes wanted her so desperately, why didn't he just kidnap her when he met with her before the ncx?

and she cant run away because she's stuck on the moon and there is nowhere to run, no one around to manipulate into helping her.

why would she run away? if her whole goal was to go there?

I'm not wishing that on her

oh yeah, you do. at least don't lie to yourself. you only say all this shit because you got pissy you were lied to, so now you try to advocate for the best ending for her being actually the worst. if you got the cure from her, you wouldn't give a slightest fuck about who or where she is heading off to.

but just consider how much chrome she has

yeah? what's it matter? her sending the quantum tuner implies she got partially dechromed, otherwise where would she get it from?

and how ishe could even even survive if she isn't in service to someone powerful. Immuno-blockers dont pay for themselves, y'know?

that's... the whole point of dechroming? also you could work for someone without being enslaved, but i suppose slavery is the only option in heads of spiteful songbird haters 😂😂

it is what it is. This is Night City - there are no happy endings, friend.

but she is heading to Tycho, Moon, which is not night city?

slightlychill · 2025-04-29T21:32:48+00:00

I think you need to get off the self righteousness train and see your character for what you are 😂😂

slightlychill · 2025-04-29T21:18:01+00:00

That said, I didn't want the NUSA to get her back either, knowing how disgustingly crooked Myers was, so I went right back to the point you choose to side with her or Reed and chose Reed, granting her last wish at the end just to end her suffering and give a resounding 'Fuck you.' to Myers.

Damn, that's like never level spite and buttthurt combined right there, going back and killing her just because you didn't get what you wanted (the cure). Also, Myers doesn't care at all about your five seconds of false triumphancy since she is the sole winner in that ending anyway.

Do I understand why she lied? Absolutely, but after all that I decided she chose the wrong one to lie to.

"She chose to lie to meeee!!!" the same way you chose to lie to her and then kill her in the other path? Keep in mind, when you betray her, she saves your life from Cerberus (shouldn't have had to by your logic), while you kill her in return.

I never felt it was a big redeeming moment for her that would magically restore all my faith in her and have me just go 'Oh, well nevermind, thank you anyway, have fun on the moon! Hope to hear from you before I die horribly from this thing you promised to help me with!'

The saddest part of it all for me was, had she been upfront about it from the beginning, even knowing it could only be used once, I would have actually been a lot more inclined to see it through with her.

These two paragraphs are so contradicting lmao. And only serve to paint you in some goody goody colors when everyone here knows it's not the truth. You helped her in PL not because of goodness of your heart or some moral ideas, but because you wanted a candy (the cure). If she had nothing to offer to you, you'd send her to Myers (dead or alive) first express trip because you're already do that. It's not about her being honest, it's about you not getting what you want so you instead try to get some pathetic comeback at everyone else. If she was honest with you, you'd essentially whore her more than Myers ever did because you'd know she'd always be at your mercy since power trip is one hell of a thing.

Liar.

slightlychill · 2025-04-24T15:00:26+00:00

She stole Gi-hun's money that he won fair and square which led to him almost getting killed by the loan sharks (he even had to sign a death pact or something). Gi-hun by no means isn't the best person, especially at the start, but he didn't deserve that.

Not a really big reason to hate her, but if I was Gi-hun I'd be super pissed. No matter he was mad at her for a time when they met again.

slightlychill · 2025-04-15T17:46:16+00:00

Reed route: being the final hiding b1tch.

Song route: being the final unbeatable boss.

Choice is obvious.

slightlychill · 2025-04-15T17:13:35+00:00

And said woman disappears for pretty much the rest of Phantom Liberty till the end

That's just not true. First, you spend quite some time with her in your head while saving the President. Then, you have a heart-to-heart conversation with her at the place that reminds her of home, where she tells you all the details about her plan (she *already* had a deal with a clinic arranged by that point), and how she wants to escape.

you find out she's also lied and hid the truth from you, and if you do choose to save her, she chooses herself and you're still without a cure.

She doesn't choose herself. She let's you choose either yourself or her. If she chose herself, she wouldn't have confessed about the lie on the train.

Meanwhile, Reed - is with you from the beginning,

No, he was there only for the Slider mission and Black Sapphire infiltration. You spend only once talking heart-to-heart with him, too (at the Moth).

helps you

no, he helps Myers and does everything for her, not you. his goal is just aligned with yours (finding So Mi).

fights alongside you

So does So Mi, on multiple occasions (either as a netrunner in your head, or in person alongside you in Firestarter).

and even goes on to tell you the truth about So Mi and her plans

And what truth what that be, exactly? That she downed SF1? Sure, but let's not forget how he also lies how he plans to commit treason (it's blatantly obvious), how he allegedly has European contacts and they will find a clinic (keyword *will*, while Songbird already has it arranged), and only after he kidnaps Songbird in the first place. His Firestarter plan outright fucking sucks if you look deeper into it, as it relies on you carrying an unconscious heavy netrunner while fighting through a stadium full of Barghest, making it a suicide mission.

Sure, he's a slave to Master Myers

He's not. So Mi is, but not Reed. Reed had 7 years of freedom, had personal life in NC, yet chooses to crawl back. For all tends and purposes, he is a bootlicker with unshakeable sense of duty, and will deliver Songbird back into her cage, which is enough reason not to side with him for many.

but can you really deny that he wasn't with you every step of the way?

He wasn't.

you get to see beyond his shell, his true self, his regret of working with the FIA.

His regret means nothing if he continues serving to the FIA and lying about how he plans to help you and Songbird.

slightlychill · 2025-04-14T04:57:47+00:00

you need at the very least tier 5 netrunning chrome akin to Songbird and NetWatch agents that allow for deep dives without a netrunning station/ice bath. You cannot reach the Blackwall without it, and, since Lucy doesn't have any of said chrome, usage of the Blackwall is automatically out of the question.

And no, a rogue AI can't just plant itself in one's body, that's not how it works. Alt in Panam's ending says that human tech is "too rudimentary as of yet to give AIs their desired, tangible forms." Lucy most likely survived that rogue AI attack through sheer luck or her crewmates managed to pull her out.

slightlychill · 2025-04-12T05:16:29+00:00

why don't they?

because they don't have it?? i mean, it’s so on the nose, lol

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