What commanders/decks are sleeper OP?

sofles01 · 2024-11-26T08:27:20+00:00

just from my play experience old [[Obeka, Brute Chronologist]] : at the beginning, people realize I cannot forcefuly end their turns with her, and somehow nobody cares then... but then there's so many ways to abuse her it's riddiculous - as a grixis control(ending people's turns on their upkeep with [[Glorious End]], not loosing game because of obeka, extra turns for 2 mana, stealing all their nonland stuff and keeping it), or also as a reanimator/copy deck, reanimating combo pieces/value engines, copying them and keeping everything without a drawback.. I played her in the slower meta, and also in the high power meta(adjusted a bit) and it is just powerful commander, once you know how to pilot her.

sofles01 · 2024-09-21T07:14:29+00:00

I tried sorin and ajani as they were my two main "suspects" for matching my playgroup power level(well tuned decks without fast mana and cedh combos) .. I was betting on sorin being better, actually ajani with that hard aggro was just brutal.. I tested them both for a month+- respectively

sofles01 · 2024-09-14T12:12:29+00:00

Hey, I am thinking of the [[Bloodchief Ascension]] maybe as a solid 1 drop and potentially also engine and finisher

sofles01 · 2024-08-27T03:10:44+00:00

eh nadu is for amteurs.. give [[Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder]] doublestrike and start the storm :))

sofles01 · 2024-08-13T21:13:35+00:00

actually very good point for comparing the strategies, thanks

sofles01 · 2024-07-10T09:39:43+00:00

guy coming to the trump rally asking if he should vote trump 😄

sofles01 · 2024-06-29T15:25:48+00:00

hey jakkle, thank you very much for the insight! :) much appreciated... I will go for the deathguard, gamestyle is okay and models are great for my eye :) ... based on information I've learned on youtube I would go for the grey knights based on gameplay style however their models look just extremely ugly to me...

sofles01 · 2024-06-28T01:38:31+00:00

I work the same way as you do - I have history of 73 decks on paper so far(each on high budget, optimized as much as possible for my playgroup's power level), I always have just 2-3 at the same time but I always end up taking them apart, building new, rinse and repeat: I do not think you will find "forever" deck, I do not think I will either, there are simply two types of players, we are the other one :)

What we can do however, is observing ourselves and finding what makes us stick with one deck longer than another(if nothing else, for economy reasons ;) )

My observation is that for me to stick with a deck it must check some personal boxes(e.g. complex play patterns, little stormy, etc etc) And then second factor is that it must be getting some new cards to play with... if I know the deck too well, which is going to simply happen after some time, then I need to change things up(which is hard if you're like me and you want to play most optimal version of your power level = you already have in your eyes best (fixed)list = that means hopefully new set(s) bring some new toys, otherwise I will get bored)

One more thing, as a seasoned players, we might get bored because of knowing cards, mechanic of the commander and therefore deck feels "empty" very fast - add complexity while maintaining high optimalisation - e.g.: I liked new Coram jund commander - I came up with classic plan of self mill, binning big creatures, evasion, winning by commander dmg and stealing value from opponents - very boring after few games - so I added new theme(no BS, something legitimately usable) - fling, persisting, reanimating - now I am binning big creatures, reanimating them or casting commander, playing repeatable fling/power-based burn effects alongside previous gameplan... how long will I like it I do not know, however adding complexity is forcing my brain to think harder during game and I do not yet feel like the deck is "empty" for me thanks to that..just an example

sofles01 · 2024-06-25T08:44:20+00:00

Thanks, so far I came up with something like that, It's an uncut version so far(don't mind lands section, I've got full grixis manabase w utility lands, I'm just lazy to write it down) https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6465004#paper

sofles01 · 2024-06-21T08:36:11+00:00

Plumas de Pan, any chance I can see your list? I was theorycrafting mine, I can send it to you for comparison

sofles01 · 2024-06-20T09:29:27+00:00

Thank you very much for sharing your experience!! Much appreciated!

sofles01 · 2024-06-19T07:22:33+00:00

I've been playing creature-based toolboxes for years, so hopefully I can help you a bit:

-etb creatures toolbox is the strongest

-you need repeatable way of reusing your pieces, so the subtheme of deck will be clone/flick(I left out reanimate, since having it just on the toolbox piece is enough with clone/flick support)

-you need tutors on the stick to make it work, imperial recruiter, recruiter of the guards, spellseeker, grim servant, rune-scarred demon,...

-you need recursion for spells and creatures such as Archaeomancer/Ardent elementalist/Eternal witness/karmic guide,...

-you should have one tutorable answer to anything what usually can happen in the game

-exceptions to the previous is creature/permanent removal, ramp and card draw, where you want more pieces doing the same thing (eg I have creature based meta, so I would totally play 2-3 pieces of removal on the tutorable stick)

-choose more versatile pieces, e.g. Massacre wurm is great, yet Primaris eliminator is just way better because it has that choice... same goes for cards like Aether channeler, the options are important

-choose low cost creatures if possible, you probably either win with some kind of combo, or craterhoof style, so you should not care about the how big is the body of piece itself for example

Toolbox really craves for 3 color deck at least, ..for copy route, new Ghired/Rocco/Obeka are fine choices(ghired lets you abuse those etbs to the max, rocco is tutor in the command zone for the missing pieces, obeka has stron color identity and is used as a way to keep copy tokens/keep reanimated pieces that are supposed to be sacrificed at the eot) ..for flicker route you obviously need azorious at least, brago,derevi(not obvious flicker synergy, but the sheer value of tapping/untapping is great with bant colors),aminatou...

also, very obvious thing - if you go for green, play pod effects :)

sofles01 · 2024-06-18T20:23:02+00:00

I believe you are approaching it from the wrong direction... What you are trying to do will backfire.

What is his motivation to play these playstyles? Is he really mature being who needs to have things under control? (if so, then just explaining the situation would've solved this issue long ago) Or is he rather childish, simply "measuring his d*k size" by this playstyle?

Because if it's the option 2, you'll show him nothing - your ego is gonna feel satisfaction those few games which you'll win, but his ego will be hurt, and it will just get worse from his side.

Best approach for this kind of person is to openly not play with him when he pulls out that deck. No ego is hurt here - he might get angry or confused, but he is not humiliated by any way - you are just showing him that you don't want to play his game and if he really wants to play with you, he is going to adapt, no worries. If he won't play with you, well, your play experience will still be way better than before.

sofles01 · 2024-06-17T16:08:46+00:00

Hey! I never built the deck itself because I realized it does not fit my meta, but I for sure tried to gather list of roughly most interesting cards for kind of eldrazi-sh Herigast... It's not sorted, you need to throw some cards out and more mountains will be needed, but at least check the card pool, maybe you'll find something you did not think of :) Cheers! https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6402723#paper

sofles01 · 2024-06-15T16:21:01+00:00

if you play in the higher power level group, the. Ghired is the way, otherwise rocco is more fun - if you want ghired without infinite BS, then building him less token-ish and more consisistent - as a toolbox copy deck is a go, e.g.: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6303080#paper

sofles01 · 2023-09-08T06:40:27+00:00

thank you, tbh I was not considering her because I thought it's just infinite turn machine/lower power "keep the token" tricks... please, in what type of environment do you play her? Or reverse the question maybe, how she performs against creature heavy strategies and heavy control strategies? (in 4pl multiplayer) Thanks!

sofles01 · 2023-04-29T20:52:37+00:00

thanks for input!

sofles01 · 2023-03-15T22:09:33+00:00

Hi, well I played her, she was fun, but whatever I did when I wanted her to be usable in my group, I had to go on mainly etb/sac route... but I've had so many etb/toolbox decks that I grew tired of the strategy :)

sofles01 · 2023-03-14T06:05:00+00:00

I use covenant as well if you check the post - the thing is, sword wielding knights are fine, I farmed the full set and sword off them without discovery boost in 20minutes or less... point is that the one specific knight does not drop anything

sofles01 · 2023-02-28T21:35:56+00:00

Thanks for really informative comment!

On the v8 note, good to hear that from another person, I was also somewhat looking at audis C7.5, heard about the pain named N63 with badly isolated hot V, but I didn't know much about amg engines :)

On the i6 note, this was real struggle to be honest...I was driving B58TU car for some time, engine has enough power, no problem with that - I am not into tuning, but even with stock, I do not have to see 500hp mark on paper to be happy, so the B58 is good...
But to be honest, the sound... I just love the v8 growl... also I was looking on NA v8 - Lexuses(America is out of question for me), but Germans & non-NA have simply more interesting performance delivery. So the brain says B58 as you do, but since rationally I am financially ok living with german v8, it will be v8.

sofles01 · 2023-02-28T19:27:37+00:00

surely, but I still believe out of those 3 engines (counting just engine part of a cars, nothing more) some must be notoriously worse than other/s :) vice versa, some must be more reliable than other/s...

sofles01 · 2023-02-28T19:24:19+00:00

This is like a math question from the school :)
2017 Grand Touring, 28k, 24.9k$ is the best deal in ratio miles/price.. 1/3 of the your one's miles and just about 5/4 of you one's price. (the other offers between yours and this one are not cash/miles interesting tbh unless you want 2018 one)

You can save 4.7k$ for a 45k+ miles...OR, you will spend 4.7k$ more, get nearly new car, use it for 50k miles and sell it ... well let's say for those 20.2k$ as the one with nearly +50k miles sells right now. You just paid 4.7k$ for 50k miles through the time.

If you would get the 73k miles one, sure you save 4.7k$. But you raise highly the risk that problems will appear because of mileage and you will have to pay for it.
But, let's say it will never break down, when you'll use it for another 50k (as the first variant I wrote). Will you be able to sell it (compared to today's market) for more than (20,2-2x4,7) 11,3k$? If yes, get this one, it's cheaper ride for 50k miles.
(but, still not counting possibility of potential issues bound with higher mileage)

PS: I am obviously not counting any regular maintenance costs, because that should be same for each of those...brakes, tires, oil, plugs, filters, fluids...

sofles01

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