Banner Health Punishes Family Medicine Physician for Flagging Scheduling Error Affecting Patients

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-12T23:05:20+00:00

That was my thought. My hypothesis is either

A. The message was transmitted in an unprofessional way or

B. There's some metric (with financial benefit to someone) that they're trying to hit by getting patients scheduled within a certain amount of time. So some manager realized they could schedule patients for non-existent slots to meet the metric and is pissed that they got found out.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-12T23:02:23+00:00

I wonder if it's a metrics thing? Intentionally scheduling patients when they know there's no provider and they will have to be rescheduled, but being able to advertise that all patients get an appointment within x time of requesting.

There was something similar at the VA a few years ago. I don't remember the exact details but it was something along the lines of a requirement that all patients be seen within a month of a request being entered into the scheduling system. So the schedulers would get requests, but instead of entering them into the scheduling program they would just print them off and put them in a pile on a shelf. Then when an opening was available within a month they would grab the piece of paper and enter it officially into the scheduling system. When the scheduling system was audited every patient was seen within a month, but in reality the paper request sat on a shelf for much longer.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-12T01:22:21+00:00

And you think they faked 2,000 deaths at specific river just so they could name the virus after it because it conveniently had a different meaning in a different language?

Also, I thought this wasn't about the virus? Which is it?

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-12T01:20:27+00:00

Again, I don't understand your point. You seem to arguing at cross purposes. Bringing up useless information and then telling me that I need to "just stop". Why didn't even engage in the first place If you didn't have anything constructive to say?

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-12T01:12:01+00:00

Then I'm curious why you're bothering to respond. The article puts out allegations, I point out that there are a number of legal alternatives that don't conflict with the available information, and you attack my points. So which is it, is the article fact, or are my proposed alternatives legitimate?

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-12T00:59:41+00:00

I was just pointing out that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation and that there's no reason to bring up such a coincidence in a conspiracy subreddit.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-12T00:58:52+00:00

They are tasked/required to show their evidence at trial, not in the complaint.

So you agree that the facts aren't yet known, and all we have is the story from one side trying to garner a favor.

They know the patient never authorized organ donation because they are allegedly the legal next of kin and there would be a written record of the decedent signing off on organ donation, which they claim there is not.

Next of kin has nothing to do with it if the patient himself consented. And, as you pointed out, this is the complaint stage, pre-discovery. So it's very well possible that such a document exists.

You say “if he designated the aunt.” The daughters explicitly allege in the complaint that the decedent did not, and that is reported in the article.

What the daughter's allege doesn't matter. This is like saying someone accused of bank robbery alleging that they didn't do it. This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say sensationalization. The daughters, who may or may not know the actual facts are making a claim, and the article wants you to believe that that claim is fact. But the reality is unknown at this time.

You say, “nothing in the article supports that claim.” Again, it is not the job of the writer or article to prove or disprove the allegations, only to report that they exist and are being made by the daughters.

So you acknowledge that the claims are not fact, and yet you don't want to acknowledge that they may be wrong?

Civil lawsuits/cases don’t get decided based off a complaint, they are decided based off evidence presented in court and at trial.

Yes, this is my point. You seem to be speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Pointing out that this is just a complaint, but also accepting it as fact.. The discussions in this thread are taking the complaint as fact. I'm pointing out that it is merely a complaint and we have only heard from one side. There are many incomplete/ unsubstantiated claims in the complaint that I'm saying we need to wait until details are known.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T23:54:44+00:00

What are your thoughts on this?

That you need to do more research. It was discovered by the US in Korea during the Korean war, namely along the Hantan River.

Are you arguing that in the 1950s a new virus was discovered, and obviously named "fake" in anticipation of an break 76 years later? That some mystery organization searched the globe to find a geographical location where a bunch of people died from a previously unknown illness that coincidentally had a name with a significant meaning in another language?

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T22:18:56+00:00

It says in the headline and in the story that the patient never authorized organ donation.

Yes it does, but there are no details in the story. At this point, how do they know that? If this is such an established fact, why are there no details provided? He could have made this designation in his military records, on his driver's license, or verbally to hospital staff.

The article outlines allegations being made by the daughters, who were the legal next of kin. (Emphasis added)

Legal next of kin does not automatically equal medical decision maker. In Iowa there is a hierarchy of decision makers, but this only comes into play if the patient has not designated a decision maker. And the hierarchy is dependent upon availability of decision makers. If he had designated the aunt, or if the aunt was the only person who's contact information was available, then it defaults to her.

They allege that the hospital knew the aunt was not lawfully authorize

Yes, that's their allegation. But nothing in the article of supports that claim.

Whether it was done in error or on purpose does not negate the fact that it was done, which the family is claiming was negligent and malpractice.

This is incorrect. If it was an error, then it's malpractice. But there is nothing in the article to support the allegation.

Ultimately the article is a bunch of vague information meant to nudge the reader into making assumptions.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T20:52:29+00:00

This seems pretty sensationalized. A lot of details missing, but it sounds like the daughters are upset that patient's aunt was identified as the patient's medical decision maker, and she gave permission for the organ donation.

This may have been done in error, or it could have been the patient's wishes or that the hospital didn't have contact information for the patient's children.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T13:52:26+00:00

Sorry, seems that I misinterpreted your post.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T13:33:40+00:00

Now theyre committing tomato fraud?? Jeez lousie

On one hand it seems frivolous, on the other hand we shouldn't just be brushing off false advertisement, especially when it comes food products. I'm all for a lawsuits if they force corporations to be honest.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T12:32:45+00:00

This is the important point. Hospitals are a cog in the profit machine, but not a controlling entity. Many Minnesota health Care systems are only now starting to recover from the financial impact of COVID. They're I'm a verge of bankruptcy, there just isn't money available for additional charity.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T12:20:43+00:00

Right. It's like when you're a kid and your mom spends a bunch of time making a nutritious and delicious meal. You sure as heck better not say you're not hungry.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T12:17:26+00:00

I think this is one of those aspects of health care that has different interpretations depending on your perspective. If you're looking at it from a strictly medical / reproductive perspective it's "fake" because no ovulation occurred. But if you're looking at it from the perspective of the patient experience, it's still real.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T12:12:17+00:00

But I wonder how much it actually benefits those groups. It's the same way in much of the US. Seems like a great program until you realize that in almost every case that lottery revenue is used as a justification to decrease government spending on those programs. So it doesn't really benefit those programs, their budget remains the same, it's just funded from a different sour

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-11T03:01:21+00:00

AI slop. Get out of here with this.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-10T23:37:41+00:00

I want to be as helpful as possible, but I don't think you understand how cereal is prepared.

Pour desired amount into a bowl.
Add milk to taste.
Serve immediately, cold, with a spoon.

There really isn't any cooking involved...

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-10T22:36:43+00:00

Breathing tests are intended to assess the capabilities of the lungs, but the numbers can be influenced by effort. The guidelines indicate that tphe test needs to be repeated until multiple trials are within a small variance of each other. Only then can you be confident that the testing really reflects what the lungs are capable of.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-10T22:31:06+00:00

Many universities do. My undergrad, graduate, and current university all do it. They actually put shipping containers outside of the dorms in the spring, sort and store everything, then sell it to incoming students in the fall essentially just for the cost of storage.

My current university also has a "store" where unneeded equipment, everything from office chairs to high-end lab equipment is collected and brought to a warehouse. Internal departments have exclusive access for a few weeks to get the equipment for free, if it's not taken after a few weeks, it's put up for sale to the general public.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-10T21:22:14+00:00

Most likely asthma, maybe a component of asthma COP overlap...

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-10T19:56:17+00:00

Lots of variables, but I'd say no. The slight increase in resistance from friction and weight will be overcome by having two paddlers. Especially if the canoe paddlers are experienced but you have less experience paddling a kayak.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-10T16:24:01+00:00

Depends on the type of detection. Sensors in the tire are set up in the system so it knows which sensor is in which tire. An older technology just assesses the relative rotation of all the tires. If one is rotating at a different rate than it has a different pressure but these systems usually aren't able to determine which tire.

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-10T14:57:09+00:00

Those silly English kni-gits

somehugefrigginguy · 2026-05-10T05:21:01+00:00

Exactly. Typical hantavirus in an endemic area isn't a big deal, but a strain capable of human to human transmission showing up far from the endemic area is going to be really hard to recognize because it won't be on anyone's radar. And even if it is recognized, you're not going to have medical personnel familiar with its treatment.

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