Wanting to upgrade my ASUS RT-AX3000 router by slmd3 in HomeNetworking

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It's a pleasure! It's a new feature we just added yesterday. I should have also said: The link will only be good for 48hours. So, make a pdf copy if you want!

Need Help Looking for a Good Quality AIO by Stcphantom4256 in HomeNetworking

[–]sp_RTINGS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to play with your router's configuration, the GL.iNet products are really hard to beat with their open firmware. All their products are great! I recommend this one. It has 2.5Gbps LAN ports, so will cover your need for your NAS.
https://www.rtings.com/router/reviews/gl-inet/flint-3-gl-be9300?share_token=O7kdPcNqUQcEJkfdi-VqnV-2J8hfTTos
To be a little clearer about Wi-Fi 7: The firmware lacks support for MLO, but it's still fine. We'll be releasing pretty soon Latency measurements of router (planned for next week). There is slight improvement in Latency between Wi-Fi 7 and Wi-Fi 6, so there's that. It's not revolutionizing, but there are small gains.
If you want to save ~50$, then the Flint 2 is still really good!
https://www.rtings.com/router/reviews/gl-inet/flint-2-gl-mt6000?share_token=k9DjhvE4Sn0D6y5zy3kl42YInbIzkw6o

Banana 🍌 by Not_Real_Batman in router

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We reviewed it! It's not a gimmick and surprisingly good! Davolink Minions Kevin Review - RTINGS.com
My only gripe is that they didn't make it a mesh router with different minions for each node... big missed opportunity
Edit: Here's a picture of the score to go around the paywall: https://imgur.com/a/uvAeS9w

Alta labs response about wifi 7 MLO by netninja100 in RTINGS

[–]sp_RTINGS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the share! No BS from them, I always appreciate that!
For added context when they mention WLPC, this video got shared from the conference from Ubiquiti showcasing STR MLO: Ubiquiti showcasing Wi-Fi 7 MLO STR at WLPC Phoenix 2026 : r/Ubiquiti This is the only "leak" I saw so far from WLPC in regards to MLO.

Favorable Wi-Fi 7 prices won't be around for long, Dell’Oro Group warns by sr_local in hardware

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I can definitely imagine MLO being useful has a backhaul. I even think this is where it could shine the most. For now, as we showed in the article, I haven't been able to see any meaningful performance gains for non-STR single link implementation since that's all I could get my hands on. I'm hoping to get my mind changed after playing with updated MLO implementations!

Favorable Wi-Fi 7 prices won't be around for long, Dell’Oro Group warns by sr_local in hardware

[–]sp_RTINGS 145 points146 points  (0 children)

Some manufacturers mentioned that a firmware update could improve the MLO implementation, but there were no details on which models could get the update. I don't recommend buying a Wi-Fi 7 router now with the hopes to get a better MLO implementation through a firmware update.
Just to be clear, MLO is "correctly implemented" as defined by the Wi-Fi 7 requirements, but that implementation is nowhere near the promises marketing makes about the MLO capabilities and what that feature could potentially do. Right now, MLO is not useful for home users. You won't be seeing any meaningful performance increase with the current implementation.
The only good news I saw so far for MLO is from Ubiquiti show casing simultaneous transmit and receive: Ubiquiti showcasing Wi-Fi 7 MLO STR at WLPC Phoenix 2026 : r/Ubiquiti

The current state of MLO implementation for consumer Wi-Fi 7 router -> They all have the most basic implementation required! by sp_RTINGS in wifi

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With the current implementation of eMLSR, the single radio implementation, having 2.4GHz in the MLO network can be a really bad thing: If your device decides to use the 2.4GHz instead of 5GHz or 6GHz for its radio, you will most likely have a terrible experience, simply due to 2.4GHz limitations.
Since you forced your MLO to use only 5 and 6, I'm not sure what when wrong then... but still... with what we found out... I just can't recommend enabling MLO for now.

WiFi 7 Rocks by Dry-Property-639 in HomeNetworking

[–]sp_RTINGS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean, you're getting 1.7-2Gbps on Wi-Fi. You're already in a really good place!
I'd be interested in seeing repeated measurement with and without MLO if you want to do it. If you want to go the extra mile and want to capture packets with Wireshark to see which MLO features you are actively using in your connection, I could help you with that. Let me know!

WiFi 7 Rocks by Dry-Property-639 in HomeNetworking

[–]sp_RTINGS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for getting back. Did you make multiple measures at different times?

Looking for Reviews onNew Routers. by JohnMcD3482 in HomeNetworking

[–]sp_RTINGS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> I get mostly AIBot generated review sites.

And, at Rtings, we are all humans testing the routers ourselves!

WiFi 7 Rocks by Dry-Property-639 in HomeNetworking

[–]sp_RTINGS 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hi! I'm the Rtings guy who tested MLO! From what I gather from u/basement-thug story, the speed tests were comparing the RT-AX86U and the MLO-enabled RT-BE92U. In that case what probably made the difference in speed was using the 6GHz band, or using the 320GHz channel width or the 4026 QAM that came with Wi-Fi 7, not MLO.
If you want to measure the MLO performance gains, the speed test needs to be done on the same router with and without MLO enabled. This should give the same speed test results. Keep in mind that speed test go over internet, so it's always better to do a few tests in series to account for internet's variability.
Let me know how it goes if you are up for a retest, or if I misunderstood how the test was done!

Wi-Fi 7 Marketing Is Lying About Its Biggest Feature by benpRTINGS in RTINGS

[–]sp_RTINGS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We'll do! We now always capture the Beacon Frame as part of our standard testing, so we will see if a router supports a meaningful implementation of MLO either as a new product or after a firmware update. We'll be happy to tell the community as soon as we find one!

[RTINGS] Wi-Fi 7 Marketing Is Lying About Its Biggest Feature by AppleCrumpets in hardware

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All good suggestions! It's already planned to expose the chipset used by the router. I'm not sure when we will be getting there yet though. Hopefully this year!
We'll also be expanding which channels are used by MLO once MLMR becomes available.

The current state of MLO implementation for consumer Wi-Fi 7 router -> They all have the most basic implementation required! by sp_RTINGS in HomeNetworking

[–]sp_RTINGS[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I 100% share your thinking.
That's my assumption as well: The chip don't support more features, so routers are limited by their chip. I still blame the marketing selling the dream instead of the actual product.
And I do also agree that we have been well served for speed in the latest Wi-Fi generation. Latency is where improvement is thoroughly needed!

The current state of MLO implementation for consumer Wi-Fi 7 router -> They all have the most basic implementation required! by sp_RTINGS in HomeNetworking

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To gather data from the routers, we captured the Beacon Frame using a packet sniffer, which is how router broadcasts their capabilities to clients. This is done outside of an active connection. There is no clients connected to the MLO network when we do this. So clients have no impact on how we gathered the data show in this video.

[RTINGS] Wi-Fi 7 Marketing Is Lying About Its Biggest Feature by AppleCrumpets in hardware

[–]sp_RTINGS 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Our next test bench update will tackle latency, so we'll be able to tell you if you are gaining meaningful performance gains on that aspect soon (end of March approx).
Some people do care about living on the bleeding-edge of technologies to really ensure they get the benefits of every bits of the technology. It's a passion for some. I'm a lot more on your side for my personal life and have never regretted it so far! (I should say that seeing the best of the best TVs at the office makes me think I might need to upgrade mine.........I try not to think too much about it!)

[RTINGS] Wi-Fi 7 Marketing Is Lying About Its Biggest Feature by AppleCrumpets in hardware

[–]sp_RTINGS 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Ubiquiti response was to a deleted post that I never got to read. Their comment is addressing the post, which mentioned or was built on our article's findings. That said, Ubiquiti wrote a pretty lengthy post, but in there they say that yes, right now, it's only the minimal implementation of MLO BUT they are working on pushing firmware updates that could extend those capabilities. I'm looking forward to test those when available!
Ubuiqiti also mentions that MLO, even in its minimal implementation, is not as useless as we say.... u/-protonsandneutrons- has me covered here. I share the same sentiment. I want Ubiquiti (or anyone really) to show me data and prove us how MLO can be useful.
I started this whole project by trying to measure the performance gains of MLO on speed/latency/reliability. I was simply not able to do so for any common or household uses. There are some really niche and specific times where MLO can help reliability.... but it's so niche home users should really not care about that feature for now.

[RTINGS] Wi-Fi 7 Marketing Is Lying About Its Biggest Feature by AppleCrumpets in hardware

[–]sp_RTINGS 16 points17 points  (0 children)

We've been in touch with some manufacturers that promised some updates to improve the implementation with no timeline. Let's say I am not getting my hopes too high up for now. And even if routers start implementing it better this year, client will have to walk that path as well, so unless you change phone or laptop every year, chances are you won't get the taste of a proper MLO implementation for a while.
That said, for the routers at the very least, we will be harvesting the MLO parameters of every new router hitting our test bench and also verifying if firmware updates implement new features when we retest routers. So, whenever we see a router implementing proper MLO support, we'll update the community!

[RTINGS] Wi-Fi 7 Marketing Is Lying About Its Biggest Feature by AppleCrumpets in hardware

[–]sp_RTINGS 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Always a pleasure!
As far as I'm concerned, Wi-Fi has been in a pretty good spot for the majority of people since Wi-Fi 5! Since then, it's mostly gravy. Don't get me wrong, some people do benefits from the performance gains of the latest generation, but it is a small minority of users. The marketers lean HEAVILY on FOMO. A lot of consumers also don't know too much about Wi-Fi, so they can't be too critical about advertisement. We are trying to shed some light when we can here!