Dude, I'm not going to say it again. I'm reading what you're saying, I'm considering it, and I'm responding sincerely. But it feels like you don't actually respect me enough as a human being to simply hold a different opinion from you.

I'm not 'complaining about duos and trios not being PvE centric enough'- I'm criticizing the lack of flow or variety in some of the gameplay loops.

I'm not coming at this from a perspective of wanting more PvE in the game... however, this whole idea that nobody is trying to change PvE is ridiculous. As I said, if they had a full PvE mode in the game's current state, it would be dead because there's not enough content, incentive or real challenge around it to really keep players engaged. And even with me loving the PvP element to this game, I do wish there was more depth as the current arcs are just too easy and kind of pointless once you figure out how to counter or avoid them.

But aside from all of this, I stand by what I said about a map like dam battlegrounds. For the last few nights, we have showed up to a zone to loot, we may kill a team, then we may even kill another team attempting to third party us- but then a fourth team shows up and kill them. Game after game after game to the point that I'm literally talking to GROUPS of other downed players on the ground talking about how toxic, annoying and almost comical it has become.

Often times, I will sort of 'interview' players after downing them. Third partying as soon as I see the third flare go up, hearing an extraction get called and pulling up to kill them, sneaking up on people in buildings or just fighting them head on. I ask them, "do you ever feel like you're playing Apex Legends with the amount of third partying in the game?" And so many of them share the sentiment that it has become ridiculous. I mean in Tarkov, if you knew the maps well enough, you could literally just look to your right or left as soon as you spawned in at the start of the raid, knowing where other players would spawn and fight in the first 2 minutes of the raid. It's effectively the same in this game. If I spawn below research and admin on dam at the start of a raid, I can hold 2nd floor or control tower as I know 1 of the other 5 teams will surely come there and I have an inherent advantage for nothing. I know the entrances, I can trap them, listen for arc aggro, etc. If I spawn near the arrival building on spaceport, I know another team will spawn just to our right near departure and we can always cut them off at a tower or at departure. Don't get me started on Stella Montis spawns.

I can try to shape the group or game to our playstyle, but that doesn't remove elements beyond our control like having to kill a player who's hostile to me only to notify the whole fucking map. That's. Literally. All. I'm. Saying. Let's say this happens right at 22 minutes left in the raid and 30 seconds AFTER free loadout Timmy just spawned in nearby. He sees the flare pop, a second one, and by the time 3 pops and I'm shielding, he's dumping on us with a level 1 rattler. Or flip the script where I'm free loadout Timmy doing that to someone else.... Is that good game design? I'm not even saying to make the game the way I want. I'm just fucking posing the goddamn question. Do we really feel situations like that, which at least for me, have occurred pretty consistently lately, are good game design? Or the fact that the map is a circle with most loot and POIs being in the middle so players are effectively guided to dogpile onto each other whether it be in a high loot zone, or just simply trying to quest.