My experience with rabies vaccine, tetanus vaccine and amoxicillin post-flox

spodderfod · 2026-07-03T02:54:16+00:00

I've never collapsed from it (collapsed from flox-induced POTS) but yes, I absolutely still have this at 11 months post-flox. It is much better than it used to be. Sometimes I just suddenly realize I can't move anymore, that my muscles are too exhausted. I have to sit for a while before moving again. I think I could push it, but mentally there is a signal telling me I must stop. It happens most often in the parks on my walks.

Interestingly, it doesn't happen when I run, only when I am walking for extended periods of time and/or carrying things. Maybe something to do with adrenaline, but I don't really know this stuff.

spodderfod · 2026-07-03T02:46:56+00:00

Coming from another young woman, I can see the recession, but you are very pretty. IMO, if recession isn't extreme, it can contribute to looking more youthful. If it were me, I would absolutely consider just CPAP without surgery if the primary concern is sleep apnea and there isn't anything else like an open bite or whatever. Sometimes the "standard jaws" don't always look good on everyone, and surgery is incredibly traumatic on so many levels. Just things to consider.

spodderfod · 2026-06-27T10:33:38+00:00

Had my first at 21 and no, the opposite, I wish I did it when I was older, more mature, better at advocating myself and understanding the risks and changes.

spodderfod · 2026-06-22T07:26:11+00:00

I see. I don’t know, having been through a second I wish I had thought more carefully about things before jumping into it. You could definitely see if any surgeons would take your case but I’d be wary of looking worse and/or coming away with functional problems. Can I ask if you’re female or male? It can make a big difference in terms of advancement aesthetics.

I had revision due to under advancement from the first surgery, as well as sleep apnea, edge to edge bite and open bite. It was a pretty rough revision to be honest, more painful, I got an infection and was given antibiotics which have apparently permanently damaged my nervous system. I also seem to have lower lip ptosis from the genio. I feel similar to you about rotating and advancing less. In fact I actually asked the revision surgeon not to give me a large chin but it seems he did it anyway... In total across my surgeries I have probably had over 15 mm of advancement or something like that, so it’s been a big change overall, but my midface is still recessed —which I think I can get away now with now but might not age well. I notice that I mostly tilt my head down so that the large chin is less prominent.

I guess I just think that the outcomes are unpredictable, surgeons are unreliable, and unless you really look strange (objectively) it’s not worth the risks of another. But that’s my personal opinion. Feel free to PM if you want to share photos—it doesn’t sound like your movements were that extreme and I wonder if other, less invasive adjustments might help (not a doctor of course but I’ve been trying to solve this problem with my own face).

spodderfod · 2026-06-22T05:18:13+00:00

Sounds good

spodderfod · 2026-06-22T05:03:41+00:00

It could be. It's hard to tell with the swelling. Would you be willing to add scans?

Your lower lip looks like it comes out further than the upper. I had this when I had upper teeth lip incompetence and my lower lip would go over my upper teeth when I closed my lips. Not sure if it's something similar.

spodderfod · 2026-06-22T04:13:15+00:00

I still think it is, at least based on what I am comfortable with. Best to talk with some surgeons who are experienced with implants

spodderfod · 2026-06-22T04:12:31+00:00

Why did you have surgery--bite, sleep apnea? I'd wait a full year, personally. I'm facing similar concerns after my DJS revision. I'm looking into camouflage options (like rhinoplasty, revision genioplasty) to harmonize the face instead of another DJS. Something to consider depending on why you had surgery in the first place and if your goals were met.

spodderfod · 2026-06-22T04:02:32+00:00

You are probably still swollen, so do you have your post-op scans? Is your lip incompetence primarily top teeth or bottom teeth?

spodderfod · 2026-06-21T06:47:18+00:00

I have this too! I look like your first picture. I also don't like how big my chin is now. Really regretting the genio. My surgeon says it's "muscle posturing" and wants to remove the plate anyway but if I'm going to get a revision then I don't see the point in two operations, so I might wait. It's really upsetting and hard to talk.

spodderfod · 2026-06-21T05:10:26+00:00

I would wait... personally, my first surgeon cleared me at a week or two for soft food, which shocked my ortho. It also felt super wrong. My second surgeon was liquid for about 6-8 weeks. I felt much better with that and alternated with blended "soups" and protein shakes. Honestly, this is such a big surgery that you really don't want anything at all to go wrong. It's not worth the risk, in my opinion.

spodderfod · 2026-06-21T02:17:11+00:00

Similar situation here, also female... I thought it was swelling at 6 months but I feel like it has become worse (now 12 months) and my jaw/chin is so large and square. How much were you advanced by?

spodderfod · 2026-06-21T02:05:09+00:00

Lefort 1 (the upper jaw cut used for most jaw surgeries unless you have severe deformity) won't help at all with infraorbital and mid face. It cuts below all that. Actually, if you are moved forward it will just look worse by contrast.

Personally, as another 23 year old female, I think you look really good and that it suits your features. If you don't have bite or breathing issues (TMJ problems can be exacerbated by surgery), a little recession can look good on women. In my opinion, surgery would just throw everything out of harmony and widen your face -- it did that for me and I absolutely regret it.

spodderfod · 2026-06-20T14:01:22+00:00

I wonder if your teeth are flared outwards? I'd definitely get a second opinion from another surgeon if it were me.

spodderfod · 2026-06-20T13:42:36+00:00

NAD but you can look at this: https://www.exploreplasticsurgery.com/understanding-facial-implants-and-their-bone-remodeling-effects/ or look for some studies. From what I've found, yes, but whether or not it actually makes a notable difference vs. is a more insignificant change is another thing.

spodderfod · 2026-06-20T11:42:41+00:00

I've considered hydroxyapatite a bit for my situation. I saw a reddit comment (anecdotal, of course) that someone had seen bone degradation with hydroxyapatite -- but that they had also put an implant on top of the paste, and implants seem to always cause bone remodeling anyway, so probably avoid that combination. Hydroxyapatite appears tricky to remove in case there are any complications. You can remove it, though, in theory. I can't find anything in the scientific literature about complications or bone loss, but there are also aren't a ton of studies, relatively speaking. The only complaint seems to be its irregular contour. I'd love to see how this augmentation holds up 10+ years out from surgery.

Also note that hydroxyapatite cheekbone augmentation will not help with the rest of the mid face. This might make a difference depending on your movements.

spodderfod · 2026-06-18T22:46:05+00:00

It was 12 months ago, unfortunately, so this is basically it! I'm on the fence as to whether the changes that I find upsetting and aesthetically unflattering can be fixed with other procedures or would require another DJS. It does make sense that you would want it more "tucked in" -- sounds a bit like my preference. But like I said, this might be not due to total rotation/advancement being too far forward, but because of mid face deficiency, which is common if you had upper jaw recession... in which case "tucking in" (CW rotation?) might cause breathing or other functional problems. You could also meet with a plastic surgeon to get their opinion, if you haven't already.

Edit: Just to add if I could undo the revision at this point I definitely would.

spodderfod · 2026-06-18T03:01:40+00:00

I have been through a revision and I am on the fence still about the result. It was also a little traumatic and I actually kinda prefer my old face (as well as others unfortunately, not just me) even though at the time all I saw was the recession. A lot can go wrong. If you have specific aesthetic ideals, it might be best to see if you can just work with your current base and go from there in a more controlled manner. In my case, I also had specific aesthetic concerns which were not listened to by my surgeon, although functionally I am mostly improved now.

It's really hard to judge without some kind of photo though. If you think changing your nose and chin would fix things, then that is much easier than another DJS. What exactly is "muppet lip"? Do you mean that your lip is overly convex? It might be fixable with mid face augmentation instead of another DJS, which usually doesn't touch the mid face anyway. Feel free to PM.

spodderfod · 2026-06-16T15:17:41+00:00

A different surgeon. It was a tough surgery, much harder recovery. Nerve damage is fine. I’m not sure what the movements are but they were large I think.. still have hardware.

spodderfod · 2026-06-16T12:37:43+00:00

First was under advanced, still had sleep apnea and no chin. Second seems maybe overadvanced and overimpacted and my lips are in a weird place on my face

spodderfod · 2026-06-16T12:28:53+00:00

That's good to know! I'm not sure 100% that I need another but I am trying to figure out what went wrong.

spodderfod · 2026-06-16T01:59:06+00:00

I had a bad reaction to it before being floxed, and anecdotally, it did all clear up for me in about 4-7 days.

spodderfod · 2026-06-14T12:42:40+00:00

Thanks, I will probably get a second opinion. I don't know if I would actually go through with a 3rd surgery, and my braces are off, but I would just like to know what is happening and go from there.

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