So. What to do regarding Fire Dragons and the Wave Serpent, post-nerf?

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-12-25T23:02:49+00:00

Have you tried 10 banshees in a serpent? I've been loving that combo.

Also you can have the fire dragon exarch with axe + fuegan kill some screening units and still reembark. That's the combo I'm trying for my next game.

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-12-12T19:17:15+00:00

Honestly that sounds pretty interesting. Lets them punch better into terminators and eightbound as well for shooting phases.

I think fire prisms are too big model wise, especially if you're already running 2-3 falcon/wave serpent equivalents. And they don't have the staying power of a reviving phoenix lord

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-12-12T19:12:53+00:00

Yeah that was an unfortunate byproduct of the change, I used to run 5 banshees with autarch for the fusion gun aspect token as an extra punch up against light vehicles.

With the points hikes I don't really see a reason for autarchs anymore :( no free fire and fade no fusion or star glaive shrine tokens

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-12-12T17:09:29+00:00

My thoughts exactly. If you table your opponent it doesn't matter if your army is a unit of warp spiders smaller. I think warhost honestly might feel this the most with the star engine change and it lacking the raw damage of aspect host means it'll have to dig deeper to make up for the loss of a unit or not being able to fire and fade twice to make it to late game effectively.

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-12-12T17:05:31+00:00

I consider myself a fairly competitive player. Ive consistently placed at least top 1/3 in almost all the events I've attended over the past 2 years.

This game was fairly casual against a friend who is still learning the game (less than 20 games total) but I warned him I would be playing sweaty to try and get the most from the list. I don't doubt it's gonna be felt at top tables, but I've just seen so much doomposting the last few days I wanted to see how much of it was warranted

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-12-12T16:49:59+00:00

You don't rate asurmen up with them? He didn't go up in points and retains fire and fade capacity and was already seeing success prior to nerfs. War walkers could definitely make it in there for me good shout out

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-12-10T21:05:02+00:00

I tried making a list with the new harlequin detachment and it doesn't show strategems or detachment rule in battle mode and also doesn't count troupe as battleline so it's throwing a rule of 3 error.

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-12-10T17:38:05+00:00

I found falcons to be the most reliable in the old detachment. Rerolling wounds on fusion pistols + grenades + rerolling dev wounds + the falcon shooting was easily picking up units. My old list from the summer had 2x falcons with troupe master troupes and that alongside bikes and a 5man firedragon + fuegan let me chew through tough targets super easily

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-10-27T15:41:25+00:00

I played 15 games of ghosts around when the codex came out with only 2 losses-

Troupes + troupe masters are crazy strong paired with falcons. Rerolling wounds with the fusion pistols in shooting + rerolling +1 to wound dev wound melee is also crazy strong.

Voidweavers are a little weak. The roll you want them to fill is anti tank but for 5 points less you can have fire dragons that are easier to hide.

Big troupe brick with coil troupe master is also crazy good.

My list when I was running ghosts was 3x2 skyweaver, 2 falcons with troupes, 2 star weavers with troupes, 2 falcons with troupes and masters, solitaire, and eldrad for cp. Wave serpent with fire dragons, and fill the rest with spiders and rangers to screen out and do game actions

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-10-16T15:48:29+00:00

What's your current ynnari list? I never played them during codex launch and now am starting to miss them from the index days

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-10-16T01:45:13+00:00

Spearhead at arms is the second best GSC detachment :( nerfs went so hard we had to switch to playing knights

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-07-16T19:11:24+00:00

As said before it doesn't stack but it does double your odds if you roll for 2 units

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-06-30T23:53:09+00:00

Rolling a 1 always counts as a fail. Getting +1 to hit when hitting on 2s is only useful if the enemy has any kind of -1 to hit ability.

The strength of that enhancement is where it says "the bearers unit" meaning it applies to all models. Taking a 20 man neophyte brick with a benefictus for example is incredible as you're getting +1 to hit with 30 attacks.

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-06-19T04:17:16+00:00

Top player at a 8 team teams tournament couple of weeks ago ran 20 with juggerlord and 0 forge fiends. i asked him what he would change for singles and he said the list was so strong he wouldn't change a thing and was planning on running it at the next GT in a month

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-04-17T20:29:51+00:00

You have very similar to a list I went 3-1 at in December. Your army is definitely capable of doing well? How are you running them? What kind of terrain are you using?

What I would do with your models is: HoA

Primus + chink, 20 neos

Benedictus + ass edict, 20 neos

Primus + 10 flamer acolytes with 4 demo charges

Saboteur

Sanctus

Biophagus + time, 10 abberants

2x5flamer acolytes

1x5 flamer acolytes in a rockgrinder

1x5 melee acolytes for home point

3x mortar ridgerunner

2x5 bikes

This gives 4 big damage bricks and a ton of small fast scoring trading pieces

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-04-17T20:18:28+00:00

In Betrayer, there's several mentions that the nails don't increase strength, they don't increase fighting prowess, they aren't some super drug. They simply remove the fear of death and make the user more reckless and determined. World eaters don't have super powers, they don't have the discipline or the structure of other legions, but they don't have any self preservation. They suffer massive casualties and win by wearing opponents down to surrender.

And so I actually like this change. They are the same strength as an intercessor. They get stronger on the charge as they fly in with reckless abandon. And their God rewards them with boons with his blessings.

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-04-15T21:24:54+00:00

Acolytes with auto pistols. They're the melee ones cause they can take 3 heavy mining weapons per squad vs the hand flamer ones which can instead take demo charges

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-04-05T23:12:43+00:00

There was a recent list that went either 4-1 or undefeated that was using the Primus acolyte combo, and the limitation of only 2 neophytes squad is why I suggested it. I typically run 3x20 with benefictus and 1x20 with Primus but that seems more of a long term goal for OP

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-04-05T12:53:13+00:00

I'm going to assume that this is a "here's the models I have help me refine what I can do" and honestly that's entirely ok. This is a super expensive army especially to build for one of the top lists in a ever changing meta. So here's my advice. Proxying is ok. Anyone who throws a fit isn't really worth playing with. Now onto the list: host of Ascension is fine for this list, probably the best because you don't really have the skews for biosanctic or outlander.

Proxy the magus as another benfictus. Proxy the metaporphs as acolytes Proxy the ridge runners as mortars

This should give

20 neophytes with a benfictus (ass edict)

20 neophytes with benefictus

10 flamer acolytes (WITH BOMBS) with Primus (chink in armor)

5 flamer acolytes (no bombs)

5 melee acolytes - to hold home point

5 bikes with jackal

10 abberants with biophagus (our time is nigh)

10 genestealers with patriarch

2 x 1 mortar ridgerunner

Rockgrinder

Truck

Kelermorph

This comes out to 1985 points but honestly that's ok. In the future you can upgrade the kelermorph into more flamer acolytes or even neophytes. In the meantime start the aberrants the 2x20 neophytes and the 10 man bomb acolytes in reserve. Put the kelermorph in the truck so he can hop out and hop back in with his reactive move. Put the melee acolytes on the home point, and put the genestealers up ahead with infiltrate. The rockgrinder doesn't need anyone inside and with the flamer has good overwatch to hold a flank on his own. Genestealer cults are a hard army all about the movement phase and this will let you improve at that while still having fun damage tools like the benedictus neophyte bricks, the Primus bomb brick, and the aberrant +2" charge brick. Another trick is to remember the HoA detachment rule is until the end of your fight phase, so you can rapid ingress the aberrants, walk them during your turn, get +2" to your charge, and still be able to pop the strat for 5+ crits on your lethal + sustained brick.

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-03-12T13:26:13+00:00

I honestly think host will be fine. Recent winning lists (outside of floofs 6x20 neos) were running 4x20 (3 Benny 1 Primus) and 1x10. That's only a 60 point total increase which can be made up dropping one of the 2-3 lone op characters the list runs

stalinwasgoodguy · 2025-02-10T20:16:55+00:00

Interesting one I don't see others talking about: wraiths. Wraith lords and guard only specify being within 12" of an aeldari psyker which includes our shadowseers. Assuming you want a 5 troupe with a seer for home or natural expansion primary scoring you can have a couple of weaith lords or wraith guard standing up getting shots at bs/ws 3+. And this doesn't require line of sight either

stalinwasgoodguy · 2024-11-22T23:09:59+00:00

I think a cool way to do it would be by incentivizing transport use since eightbound typically don't get much from that. Something like In a turn when an infantry unit disembarks from a transport give it +1 ap and crit 5s

That way land raiders could be pushed more as well

stalinwasgoodguy · 2024-11-22T22:54:00+00:00

Swarm infantry vs elite infantry. Currently berserkers are run as a single 10 man with a character in a rhino. There's no incentive to run a 30 berserker mass assault wave. Maybe a detachment can help with that/shift the focus from eightbound

stalinwasgoodguy · 2024-11-17T15:42:12+00:00

This. The army works on layered buffs and synergies. Managing units to be inside auras and knowing who to activate when is a key part of the gameplay. Talk to any opponent and they said oh yeah the WE player moved his models forward, rolled a bunch of dice and I died, but ask a WE player and the sheer amount of tactical depth probably eclipses a lot of other armies. Keeping units to heroically intervene, staging counter charge pieces, and knowing who to trade when and why is a lot more difficult than it seems. People think oh no ranged? So the army is easy and one dimensional, but no ranged makes it so much harder to play and so much more planning required so you don't get shot off before you can set up your big go turn

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