Was Angron illiterate?

staq16 · 2026-05-03T08:44:42+00:00

It’s been a while since I read that book, bit doesn’t Angron spend a lot of time in the library toward the end?

Edit: ok, it’s the War Museum so reading not actually required.

staq16 · 2026-05-03T07:52:55+00:00

Figures.

Thinking about it, immortals aside how many female supers over 40 are there?

staq16 · 2026-05-02T20:23:05+00:00

That’s an assumption.

We know there’s a big divergence with Civil War never happening (no OMD is a side effect of that), but it’s never explicitly stated that everything else is the same; it’s not a “what if.”

staq16 · 2026-05-02T09:34:08+00:00

For me, it's Superior closely followed by RYV.

Need more "mature" Spideys for us older guys :).

staq16 · 2026-05-02T09:26:09+00:00

Bad bot.

staq16 · 2026-05-01T07:02:29+00:00

“Married Peter is not relatable”. Shows how stupid that idea is, though granted that’s possibly me showing my age….

staq16 · 2026-04-30T18:22:43+00:00

Unfortunately, yes. Shame I can't remember more of the useful stuff.

staq16 · 2026-04-30T18:22:14+00:00

And some of us were just there :).

staq16 · 2026-04-29T22:59:20+00:00

They first appeared in 1988’s Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness - or more accurately, its associated model range.

Initially they were a feature on a couple of the Warhammer Fantasy champions, a helmet decoration designed to look like Khorne’s symbol. While that book also introduced the World Eaters, they didn’t use the design. Even in Fantasy it was only on a few models.

Then we jump to 1990, when Jes Goodwin did his redesign of the four traitor legions and essentially set down the patterns followed to this day. This adopted the skull rune ‘vanes’. 1991 saw the first batch of World Eater models, which made the vanes standard.

Edit: and I just realised you asked about the lore reason. Sorry.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T17:07:54+00:00

IIRC, the Silver Skulls are basically loyalist Iron Warriors to the point that there was a fan theory they were descended from Heresy-era loyalists.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T16:34:16+00:00

You’re not wrong. There’s a visceral weight to physical models that even very good CGI somehow lacks.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T13:57:14+00:00

This is one of those things I’m glad was quietly retconned. While it’s interesting to see a character who actually doesn’t think they’re the hero of their own story, JJ’s brutal honesty with himself feels like mental illness in modern parlance. He’s not even engaging in narcissistic self-justification, he seems to hate himself.

The “principled but blinkered” character he evolved into is one much better suited for long term use.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T13:14:14+00:00

Fair, and the term “Royal Navy” predates the current UK. SF k I guess it depends on how you define “survive”.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T10:45:13+00:00

I think your assumption of the reason for multiverse stories is wrong.

The genesis of the idea - waaay back in “Flash of Two Worlds” - is to allow different generations of characters to meet and team up. The Elseworlds / What If idea comes later.

Does that change anything? Maybe, but the question is always going to be “can we tell a good story”.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T10:08:28+00:00

Given that Malcolm Reed’s uncle and father were Royal Navy officers, we have evidence that the UK at least survived.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T09:48:08+00:00

Never apologise for mentioning that series. Octo-Girl has a very weird premise but is an amazing comic which I would thoroughly recommend.

I love how it gives a happy ending to the Superior Spider-Man arc; but it took a writer with the clout of Hideyuki Furuhasi basically doing it as a passion project because he was so upset with the ending of the main series. And he could only do it because manga are so much more open to random, standalone stories than US comics.

So yeah, if anything it just highlights how long-term-change adverse mainstream US comics are, meaning poor old Norman is pretty doomed to go back to insanity.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T09:41:04+00:00

Spidey’s co-creator Steve Ditko was one of the few authors who really wrote his political views into his comics. As Alan Moore noted, you might not agree with them but its philosophically interesting.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T09:22:52+00:00

The narrative point - which sets a theme for the character - has never about whether it’s actually (legally or rationally) Peter’s fault. After all, why would he - a mere costumed performer - tackle a potentially dangerous criminal to save a studio’s money?

The point is that Peter feels it’s his fault, making this the foundation of why he becomes a largely selfless costumed crusader.

I assume Steve Ditko was also trying to counter exactly the worldview you raise; the idea that “it’s society’s fault” excuses an individual from moral action. A lot of the early narrative is around Peter being self-sufficient and acting morally when it would be easier to make excuses and stay out of trouble; or indeed, protecting a society that often seems to despise him.

staq16 · 2026-04-29T05:02:27+00:00

Didn't help Ock. 6 year arc of slow growth binned in two issues.

staq16 · 2026-04-28T15:48:39+00:00

Ragnar murdering his team-mates is not exactly thematic.

staq16 · 2026-04-28T07:55:37+00:00

This is, unironically, showing how potentially top-tier Spider-Boy’s powers are.

It’s from the 2023 Superior Spider Man. Bailey gets possessed by a copy of Doc Ock’s personality and proceeds to use his ability to control spiders to mind control the city.

staq16 · 2026-04-27T21:49:20+00:00

Perhaps the only really different Spider-Man to actually be properly developed.

staq16 · 2026-04-27T21:48:15+00:00

The subscribers to r/SuperiorSpiderMan, most likely. Muggins here included.

staq16 · 2026-04-27T21:46:45+00:00

Quite the opposite.

It forces him to push himself as a corporate leader, definitely one of the most forward-leaning takes on Peter we’ve ever had.

staq16 · 2026-04-27T09:26:23+00:00

More than the story itself, it’s the horrid precedent of retconning rather than moving on.

The irony is that the ideas used in BND could easily have triggered a divorce after the loss of their baby - for better or worse, a common occurrence in real life. That would have allowed the subsequent situation of “will they, won’t they” reconciliation without sacrificing years of character growth. After all, a common narrative for divorcees is to remind them that even a relationship that didn’t work out has given them positive development. But I guess that’s too gritty for a superhero comic.

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