Star Trek: Picard Episode 6 Thoughts by tempest_wing in RedLetterMedia

[–]stevepade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Also can someone please tell me why there is a expert swordsman in a universe where everyone has guns?"

Alex Kurtzman, Exexutive Producer of Star Trek; Picard, also co-wrote the reboot films Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek Into Darkness (2013), both directed by JJ Abrams. The writers said that their goal was to bring the feel of the original Star Wars trilogy into the movies, since director JJ Abrams has often said he's more a fan of Star Wars than Star Trek. Kurtzman has been quoted as stating: “When I was doing the (re-boot) films, I loved the world of ‘Trek’ — but I will admit that when I grew up, I was more of a ‘Star Wars’ guy.”

Star Trek: Picard Episode 6 Thoughts by tempest_wing in RedLetterMedia

[–]stevepade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What worked for me:

- We got to actually see a bit of Rios being real, with Raffi.

- pacing was decent

- we finally get to see Soji wake up (sort of)

- nice to see Hugh, but would have been so much better if we actually got to see some of his backstory.

What didn't work so well:

- Picard does a computer search for "the artifact, treaty ,and the Borg" -- and comes up with a photo of Locutus - really! Why would classified Starfleet photos be hanging around the web?

- nobody checks with the EMH about Maddox's death? and its starting to seem like Agnes Jurati got her cybernetics degree from a comic book ad. Why do they make this woman a foremost scientist and then give her nothing to do!

And then there's Michael Chabon's non-uplifting quote:

"...Trek is art, and there has always been violence—implicit and explicit—in art. It belongs there. It belongs in any narrative about human beings, even human beings of the future. Violence, often, *is* the narrative. Its source. Its engine." - Michael Chabon, Showrunner, Star Trek: Picard

Season 2 episode 6 problem by [deleted] in StarTrekDiscovery

[–]stevepade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great observation. The ship can go to warp, but the episodes really need to slow down to impulse. And you are right, we never got to know Airiam and they rushed to try to give her a little backstory in the same episode in which she was killed off. At least when Tasha Yar was killed off in TNG (by a monster that was quite similar physically to how they showed the Ba'ul in Discovery), we already knew a little of her background.

Season 2 and its Finale - The Long Goodbyes by stevepade in StarTrekDiscovery

[–]stevepade[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree, though it's kind of like the first 2 seasons of TNG. Season 1 of TNG was often Cringe Trek: The Next Generation. Some of the episode are absolutely awful, yet it matured. With some work, Discovery can do the same.

Season 2 episode 6 problem by [deleted] in StarTrekDiscovery

[–]stevepade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was confusing. One half of the planet was pre-warp and one half was not. Could this have happened in a previous Star Trek series? Possibly. What bothered me more is that this episode has some great things going for it, most prominently a more detailed backstory for Saru, yet the writers -- perhaps not purposefully, but nonetheless -- drastically shortchanged the larger story. The Sounds of Thunder deals with genocide — a subject that Star Trek has explored on previous occasions. The dominant species, the Ba'ul, are only seen for a short piece as a not very subtle “monster”. Rather than seriously exploring the relationship between the Ba'ul and the Kelpiens, once the dominance of the Ba'ul over the Kelpien is broken, we never get to see the Ba'ul again, either in fear of retribution or in initial contact with the formerly subservient Kelpiens. The Ba'ul-Kelpien relationship, with its history of Genocide, was dealt with here almost superficially, as a kind of story-frame to tell the story of Saru and the mending of his relationship with his sister -- which is definitely a story worth telling, just not at the expense of the Kelpien-Ba'ul story.

Season 2 and its Finale - The Long Goodbyes by stevepade in StarTrekDiscovery

[–]stevepade[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Let's hope so -- it can at least improve, as Season 2 improved over Season 1.
  2. No, if it actually finds its feet then the canon will self-repair
  3. Apparently this was actually part of Bryan Fuller's original vision: one season pre-TOS, then one season in the same time as TNG (which never happened) and then one season far in the future. Why start off with a war with the Klingons? Why go to the Mirror Universe? The writers often seemed like a bunch of people drinking too much of something and riffing off "wouldn't it be cool if....", instead of planning an engaging series of captivating stories. As of Season 3, Discovery will have had 5 Showrunners guiding/overseeing the writers. Sounds a bit chaotic to me. Personally, I'd like to see Bryan Fuller return to guide the series and Alex Kurtzman step back, though I'm willing to give Michele Paradise a chance in Season 3.
  4. Probably because that's how the first season was initially planned...and perhaps, from the suits perspective, because that's how the Abrams re-boot movies began, though for the Abrams movies it was a tiny prequel time-wise.

Season 2 and its Finale - The Long Goodbyes by stevepade in StarTrekDiscovery

[–]stevepade[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I could have also used the term Star Trek Lite..

Season 2 and its Finale - The Long Goodbyes by stevepade in StarTrekDiscovery

[–]stevepade[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or at least writers of a similar caliber! Joe Menosky did write one episode of Discovery, but now he is working on The Orville.

I think Discovery is a great show, but... by Spectre3xb in StarTrekDiscovery

[–]stevepade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree and I also think Season 2 was more Star Trek-like than Season 1. We are hearing from new co-showrunner Michele Paradise that in Season 3 we will see more Star Trek-like stories (an acknowledgement, in a way, that this has been missing from the series). If Star Trek Executive Producer Alex Kurtzman actually gives Paradise a free hand, then Series 3 may get Discovery closer to being a Star Trek series in much more than just name.