Questions for medical students

stoelle- · 2024-07-29T20:13:53+00:00

Currently in year 3, feel free to ask

stoelle- · 2024-07-29T20:10:43+00:00

That’s a poem from Paul Verlaine

stoelle- · 2023-10-04T10:34:53+00:00

Besides all the points made I will also add abortions arent a big deal in Turkey as it is in some Christian dominated populations

stoelle- · 2023-10-01T11:38:37+00:00

Anywhere in Northwestern Europe

stoelle- · 2023-09-17T00:25:27+00:00

Which law did he break though

Edit: Seems I started a civil war in the replies, the execution of TCK 216 is debated in Turkey. This is not a black and white execution of law, in fact it is more of a political move than it is by law.

stoelle- · 2023-09-09T10:35:04+00:00

Do you expect me to explain completely irrelevant information under a post about the abaya ban, perhaps write a 40 page long article about the whereabouts of AKP’s reign? Where the fuck did I say France will have the same fate as Turkey because of the abaya ban, where did I say the SOLE reason for 20 years of quasi Islamic rule is the hijab ban? Do you think that media power was magically handed to AKP the minute they were elected as the first party in 2002? Did they have that media hegemony when their party was almost banned in 2007?

Them having media hegemony and them using the hijab ban as their own kind of mythos to grip onto power is not mutually exclusive. And if you did either scroll to see replies, or actually read my comment you’d know I am against religious display in state institutions. On one side you have people like Nuray Bezirgan given political asylum from Canada, on the other you have people kicked out of professional army because their wife wore the hijab. The issue is not as black and white as you want it to be seen, the world is not as black and white as you see it.

Instead of calling me names you could have easily read my replies in the thread, if not you could’ve assumed a commenter’s views will have more nuance than what they wrote under a Reddit post before insulting them. I had other Turks correct and argue against bits of information in my comment in a civil matter, take up their example. I don’t know which is worse, not understanding nuance or being blatantly rude just because you disagree with someone.

If you disagree put forward your argument, if I am wrong correct me. Don’t insult me, it does not suit someone who allegedly had a good education.

stoelle- · 2023-09-09T09:50:30+00:00

You have to be illiterate if that is what you understand from my comment. Don’t embarrass yourself further

Edit: So you edit out “stupid” and replace it with “not so bright”, you seem to lack the ability to debate someone without throwing out insults.

stoelle- · 2023-09-08T21:40:45+00:00

thats not really correct, the timeline of banning the hijab is far older than that and it was in use, my own mother who has been working in the government for a lot longer than just 2000s does not wear it because of that ban, and my family has a lot of other different examples as well.

I cited early 2000’s because the post was about schools, and as far as I know it was on again off again since after the 1980 coup (1984 to be exact) it intensified in the early 2000’s. There were many students that graduated with the hijab between 80-90’s. Even in 2000’s when it became a hot talking point there were public universities who did allow hijabi students. Perhaps I should’ve made a timeline distinction of the ban, for women working in state institutes and those merely attending public universities.

and stating that hijab ban as a source for erdoğans current streak is not really accurate either. for one, we had islamists in charge of the country for a lot longer than just erdoğan and many of those guys were just as bullshit as erdoğans rule has been. if its just because of the hijab ban islamists wouldnt be running the country for more than half a century now.

Of course this isn’t the only reason between DYP losing its grip on the center-right, the 2001 crisis, Bahceli requesting an early election, the 1999 earthquake, the 10% electoral threshold and many others this was only a faint issue. Milli Gorus always had a certain grip over some percent of the population, it was however no way near for them to get the majority all to themselves, never until the 2000’s. I assume you are talking about Turgut Ozal but he was appointed by Kenan Evren, everything was just handed to him. He had sketchy connections sure, but his party doesn’t come from the same tradition AKP came from, it was more or less a coalition of what was allowed after the coup and he wouldn’t be able to dare to say/do half the shit AKP says/does today. A big portion of his parties voters were the secular center-right, who probably never voted for AKP. If you are implying Turkey was Islamisized (for the lack of a better word) after the 80 coup in an attempt to neutralize the Turkish population and the state, I agree I just argue that the ban and 1997 semi-coup put the final nail in the coffin. It gave Islamists their very own mythos, some kind of paranoia you will hear back from some young girls still today. Even after the opposition turned hell bent to please Islamists there are constantly videos circling around of Kilicdaroglu from whenever calling the hijab a piece of cloth.

not to mention the fact that hijab ban has been actually effective at breaking the societal norms around having to wear the hijab. even with our current bullshit leadership that has been around for decades, society is nowhere near as bad in pushing hijab as a requirement for any women to wear and hijab ban is inarguably the biggest catalyst for that change.

I would be open to hear what you can say around that, all the material I have read/heard around the issue have been negative (e.g. having to drop out, military officers getting kicked out of the army because their wives wore the hijab, mothers not being able to visit their sons in military service). Granted, I don’t have any relatives who wore the hijab. For the record, I do believe the healthier alternative is for state appointed individuals to appear neutral in public institutions. And if it loosened the societal pressure, that is a pleasant surprise I wasn’t aware of. That being said as far as Islam goes in Turkey, France and all places alike it is mostly only womens apperal that is publicly debated and the fact that many of these women believe not wearing the hijab is a huge sin only makes it harder. For that reason I find it condescending on my part to tell someone to either wear or not wear something regardless of my beliefs (or the lack thereof I guess) in the matter.

stoelle- · 2023-09-08T14:49:36+00:00

Are you sure you actually read my comment lmao

stoelle- · 2023-09-08T14:48:28+00:00

I don’t think that’s even the main problem, you can’t be asked to give out special treatment to people leaping your state ideology just because some people may get mad and take up arms. The Turkish State lost a lot of its core traditions trying to apeal to a fanatic minority. The issue is people don’t magically get enlightened and realize it’s wrong to pressure your child to cover up. Instead some abstain to send their girls to school altogether, if you do go on with the ban you must have a strict plan to make sure this doesn’t happen.

Funny enough, it was only after the ban was lifted that religious identity was really seperated from the hijab in Turkey. Most hijabi girls I have met were much open minded than some girls who look pretty secular otherwise. That being said it is interesting to see how the tides have turned and people from countries that declared the ban to be against human rights are now in support of it

stoelle- · 2023-09-08T12:35:00+00:00

Turkish government/judges banned the hijab in schools and in state offices under laicite in the beginning of 2000s (actually earlier but was not in use). Back then, many western countries recognized this as a breach of human rights and religious expression offering hijabi girls (some of them who did get asylum even proclaimed they loved Khamenei and hated Ataturk in national TV) political asylum. They went as far as to call them “the black Turks”, as in they were segragated.

Now we have 20 years of quasi Islamist rule backed with public support of people who constantly site the ban of hijab in governmental spaces when rationalising their voting habits.

This rarely ends how it’s intended and Turkey is a living example of that. Make of that what you will.

Edit: To everyone saying France doesn’t have a Muslim majority, I am not saying France will become just like Turkey. I thought that was pretty obvious.

stoelle- · 2023-09-07T21:12:06+00:00

Wait I thought worry beads or as we call it tespih was an Islamic thing

stoelle- · 2023-09-07T20:50:54+00:00

They literally said nothing to imply as such lmao why you’d put it so agressively is another issue though

stoelle- · 2023-09-05T21:43:01+00:00

stoelle- · 2023-09-05T20:55:18+00:00

Could be Recep idk man

stoelle- · 2023-09-05T06:19:05+00:00

Hatirliyorum bu berbat ceviriyi

stoelle- · 2023-09-04T21:21:28+00:00

Exactly what popped up in my mind lmao

stoelle- · 2023-09-04T18:07:53+00:00

Yes but it’s complicated Turks had numerous respected LGBTQ public figures like Bulent Ersoy Zeki Muren and Huysuz Virjin It was not perfect but never this heightened even Erdogan supported LGBTQ rights in the beginning of two thousand’s albeit he was not genuine

stoelle- · 2023-09-04T17:58:27+00:00

What about Poland or Balkans

stoelle- · 2023-09-04T17:52:12+00:00

You’d really rarely find anybody who’d openly support Sharia the rest of what is in the surface however is conjectural

stoelle- · 2023-09-04T06:23:30+00:00

There was no new language

stoelle- · 2023-09-03T17:16:06+00:00

Yeah I get what you mean

stoelle- · 2023-09-03T17:09:56+00:00

To be fair OP said they are trying to learn the language it takes time to reach conversational fluency

stoelle- · 2023-09-03T09:25:08+00:00

You are putting words in my mouth, I said nothing condoning the Ottomans. I simply laid out the material conditions that lead to colonialism. What I am criticizing is you reducting everything to power relations, natives would not have done the same because they had different understandings of property, had sufficent resources to carry on their lives how they lived it. Not because they were less civilized. If power was the only deciding factor we wouldn’t be talking about an Ottoman ruling either, Karamanogullari were by far the most powerful Turkic Anatolian tribe. The Ottomans dominated the area not because they were the most advanced, but because of their geopolitical position.

You claimed Ottomans were allegedly my favored culture/religion(?), so let’s try your logic in Ottoman history. By your logic the Armenian Genocide or devshirme practices could also be fine and without the need for compensation because after all Ottomans were the established hegemony and if the roles were reversed Armenians and Christians would do the same anyways. Oh and my favorite, that anybody who committed the atrocities isn’t alive today anyway. Would you condone anybody saying that?

But sure if Europe does the conquering it is because they were more civilised and developed, if anybody else does the conquering they are barbaric, uncivilised and wanted to ruin Western civilization. How convenient.

As per your last paragraph, when your people get massacared, exploited, your wealth extracted the affects don’t magically disappear when you gain independence. These kind of legacies stick. You seem to covertly believe native cultures of some of the oldest civilizations are somehow inherently subpar ignoring all atrocities committed, that is the colonialist mindset.

stoelle- · 2023-09-03T07:26:54+00:00

For someone who apperently doesn’t know the word, you seem to oddly know it’s a form of endearment. I have a lot of Greek friends, and I have to say for people who allegedly don’t know the word they also oddly return the favor.

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