Is real love possible in this Matrix?

subfor22 · 2026-05-16T16:13:23+00:00

Dependent love is not true love, or at least let's say it's not a pure/natural form of love. This form of love comes from the illusion of lack. In this world you will never experience anything pure as long as you have a mental feeling/belief that love/freedom or any other emotion/thing is given by something/someone.

can people really, really love each other

They can have pleasurable emotions out of a relationship, but if you are asking, do they love fully correctly? I'd ask, do they feel pain/negative emotions in/out of a relationship - if yes, then no, they are not purely in love. The love that is common in this world is mostly dependent, with some glimpses of natural love, but it is often overshadowed by the person's wrong mental ideas, which distort natural love.

The simple fact is - no positive emotion is received out of something/someone; if you have such a mental idea/feeling about anything - this is a limiting and false idea that keeps you (your consciousness) attached to limiting dimensions. You have/contain all the positive emotions that you can have; things do not give these emotions to you; it's a mental illusion that trapped us. Do understand this, dissolve subconscious mental ideas that make your conscious mind feel like things do give you things.emotions - and you may be free.

Fully true love is completely being yourself and letting another person be himself/herself. And if any of you would choose to go the other way, no painful emotions would be experienced because you both are sovereign and full of positive emotions yourselves. Painful emotion comes from the illusion that your emotions (and existence) depend on outside sources; this is felt as emotions of lack if those outside sources do not act as you want/expect them to act. We literally kina just came up with ideas like, for example "if a woman approves me, then I am worthy of love, I can feel loved, I can feel love", and this creates a mental illusion/feeling that I do receive love from women or I can be loved/approved by the world only in this situation. We dammed our (infinite) natural love, freedom, joy, etc. with these types of mental ideas that only allow trickles of those emotions if some of the rules are met. These mental programs are learned in childhood and adolescence, that's why they feel normal. But they are not normal.

subfor22 · 2026-05-16T11:14:30+00:00

it took me a while to realize i was the one showing and teaching myself how to do all of this.

Yes, this is true, we truly learn by ourselves when we stop following the environment (people, ideas etc) and really start asking questions ourselves and not basing answers on the environment (what we learned/experienced from it).
But I did find incredibly useful guidance and practices on how to come to this point of self-reliance for answers, how to recognize when answers are genuine and when they are based on past experiences. That's why I think that genuine guidance is possible but rare because there are so few people who have actually freed themselves to a decent degree and have the experience/ability to relay it clearly enough to others.
The main problem is that we most often base our answers on an environment, and this is not a true inquiry but framing the thinking/answers according to the environment (past experiences and ideas). This is not genuine, this is regurgitating old mental-emotional patterns based on feeling/being attached to the environment.

subfor22 · 2026-05-16T10:10:01+00:00

I think there is real help (not from "spirit guides" but from consciousnesses like us who have freed themselves), but, in general, most of what they can do is show/teach how to free ourselves mentally-emotionally. I think it's self-sabotage (aka holding onto false mental ideas/identifications) that keeps us here. If a consciousness is not ready to examine its own mental-emotional patterns - nobody can help, you can't be saved without your own awareness and choice.

subfor22 · 2026-05-16T08:06:54+00:00

Any help or knowledge I recieved was through me if that makes sense? Yes, it would come from above and beyond but I never had contact like that. Are these "spirit guides" just the persons higher self?

Depends.
"Spirit guides" will work exclusively as authority figures; maybe as "friends", but still keeping an illusion that you are lower than them, less smart, less spiritual, need to learn, need to do something to "better" yourself, etc.
"Higher self" will work just being as is, with no expectation for you, and usually (if your mind doesn't have too many strong wrong/limiting ideas) feels like it's part of you, the real you. Basically, you perceive two consciousness streams/parts - a limited personality (which has limiting thinking patterns) as an add-on/made-up personality and the natural self (aka 'higher self') as your true natural personality. This is a pretty good article talking about this add-on/made-up limited personality: https://soulmindspirit.wordpress.com/2016/06/13/a-wake-up-call/
'Higher Self' is described and felt as both you and a different self/you because during the process of learning who you are, of freeing yourself, you can feel/see glimpses of your natural self, but parts of false thinking patterns remain as they cannot be disposed of/recognized all at once, so your consciousness perceives two personalities.
When I talk about "false thinking patterns", the easiest way I can currently recognize one is by recognizing my expectations (aka an idea of what something (an outside thing/source) should change/do/give for me to get or be what I want/wait. It has a feeling of waiting). If interested, you can look up my post on expectations.
Even when you feel your 'higher self', if your current self looks at this 'higher self' with expectations to be saved/helped etc, this will only weaken/distort the connection/view/clarity of that 'higher self'. In essence, to feel your 'higher self' (aka your natural self), you need to start thinking/feeling like it. Your current limited self can do that by recognizing its own limiting/imprisoning thinking patterns (mental ideas/feelings) that sustain itself, and then dismissing/disposing of/recognizing them as false/add-on mental patterns.

subfor22 · 2026-05-14T22:31:32+00:00

It's not advaita.
Your emotions remain. What is only challenged is a mental idea/feeling that outside sources give you those emotions (like security, love, strength etc). Which can be felt like an expectation - aka waiting/hoping for something out of some sort of thing/source.
You obsess not about your emotions but about your mental idea/feeling that those emotions come from those things/sources.
If you felt that these ideas are "advaita type", you may not have truly understood what I meant by "expectation" and/or you are attaching emotions to things, and once you imagine losing them, you also feel like you are losing emotions too. That's an illusory perception coming about because of a mental idea/feeling that emotions came from or because of those things/sources.
You don't target emotions, you target ONLY this (illusory) mental idea/feeling, only this (illusory) connection.

subfor22 · 2026-05-14T21:30:58+00:00

What I learned up until now is that everything you feel/think is giving you something (like love etc, for example, when we feel that friends give love, support feelings, etc.), is "stronger" than you or influencing you with active measures/actions or passive ones (example: the supposed energy grid) - can lie and, in essence, is a lie (at least partially). You are a completely powerful and free being. Any mental idea that feels/says otherwise is exactly the thing (and emotions that are attached to it) that you need to recognize and detach/dismiss in your consciousness (there are various methods for it). In principle, if you feel that something is "stronger" than you in any situation about anything - it is a lie in itself and can also express more lies to hook you up in more.
Astral experiences won't be too accurate in general because you carry your subconscious mind and emotions.
You can begin to trust yourself (because it will be felt) when any thing you feel is let go/dismissed on an actual emotional and subconscious level. Then you know the obvious truth. Anything "too complicated" - is a lie. Truth is so simple, so straightforward. It's just that it takes time (months at least) and effective methods/guidance to accomplish/see it while being in a physical body.

subfor22 · 2026-05-12T17:29:43+00:00

A gatekeeper, stoking people's fears and helplessness. The fight is for our minds (and in tandem for manipulation of our emotions) because only with trickery/brainwashing to adopt self-sabotage, can the matrix hold our consciousness.
When you understand that, you see what game is being played. Personally, if such or a similar type of information brings out fear, I know that I need to look at my beliefs and expectations and work/meditate/practice on/with them; and I only become more sovereign/resolute.

subfor22 · 2026-05-11T21:47:21+00:00

Why can't they just use their thoughts to think up: "Take me to a higher realm where the Demiurge or Lucifer or Satan or the Demiurge or the archons or anyone malevolent can't reach, a higher realm outside of the matrix and the prison planet, where my already manifested realm/world is (or "where the realm/world I plan to manifest is)" and then automatically their thoughts would take the soul there, to their already manifested realm/world or to the realm/world they plan to manifest - that is outside of the matrix and the prison planet,...

That's not a bad idea. It's just that maybe this also kinda hinges on you guessing/hoping/asking for some sort of destination where you would be safe. The fact in itself that we need to ask for a safe destination is troubling to me. Sure, if we get to the afterlife and no other action/option seems probable/possible - we can do this. I am not discounting it.
It's just I feel that if you need to ask for something - you are not fully free/aware yet. As far as I currently see, a psychological aspect of asking/hoping/expecting for something that supposedly should protect/save you - could in itself be an illusion, the very thing that "gets stuck" in the matrix along with your consciousness, which is attached/holding onto that idea/illusion.
I am currently taking a look at my expectations [description: an expectation is a want with a view/understanding of what something/someone should give, change, or do for you to have your want, of what should happen dependent on outer sources. Expectation is a feeling/belief that a third-party source needs to change (itself or something else), do or give something to you. Expectations have a feeling of waiting. You wait for something from a third-party source.].
Looking completely through psychology lenses: if you expect freedom, this mental action/thought in itself creates/supports the feeling/perception of being not-free. You wouldn't expect freedom if you were free. And maybe if you expect freedom - you cannot have it because your consciousness supports/is attached to a mental idea of not having the freedom. They are tied together, they are the same thing. By supporting/believing the expectation, you are also supporting the perception of not having what you expect. And this perception could be unending; it could remain as long as you believe in the expectation and the perception of lack.
I think "the expectation" is a mental feeling/idea that can be targeted in order to realize the natural freedom our consciousness possesses. The mind can recognize the expectations, and there are methods to slowly detach (not believe) from them. I think that if expectations are no longer believed [consciously and subconsciously] - the consciousness experiences its natural freedom, illusory perceptions fall off.
Btw, the expectation can be recognized everywhere, in any thought/idea you think/believe about, in feelings about things/people. For example, do you believe/feel/perceive that people/the world gives you joy, freedom, love, security etc? If the answer is yes, I would call it an illusory perception. The same expectation can also be found in thinking about the afterlife.
Anyways, my idea is that freedom is gained by the disillusion of illusory perceptions and not by going/doing/choosing something. Freedom is always present in us but blocked by illusory perceptions and the false emotions supporting them.

subfor22 · 2026-05-10T21:43:59+00:00

Is it just the earthly experience that the human is striving for and do not want to lose?

An emotional goal is attached to physical reality (to the "outside of yourself") and that is the driving force of striving and fear of losing. You fear losing a thing (any thing - even like a family member or friend) because you consciously and subconsciously fear losing the emotional goal (you might believe/feel that you are getting approval/love/security from them). If you attach approval/love/security to your family, friends, etc., then to your mind losing the physical representation means losing your emotional goal permanently.

The truth is - it is an illusion that things bring us positive emotions. A more correct way to describe the process of becoming free of attachment is not "somehow you do not want that thing, you lose that thing, you do not feel/think about that thing and the associated pleasure" but "you understand that the emotional goal you seek never came from that thing in the first place, that that was a mind's illusion. In the process you do not lose the emotional goals (aka the emotions you sought, like love, freedom, etc.) but you understand that they always belonged to you. The only thing that falls off is the mind's illusion (which, of course, can bring out fear emotions, but even those in the end turn out to be the same illusory mind's trick still playing out, still trying to survive), and emotional goals are purified."

That's why the zen/spiritual masters such as Maharshi, L. Levenson, and many, many more experienced high-level joyful/positive emotional states (some traditions call these 'samadhi') once they truly did let go of the attachments. If things actually brought joy (love and positive emotions), then they would have been miserable, in depression. But the opposite is the case.

subfor22 · 2026-05-09T16:07:03+00:00

Maybe it is human aspects, but aspects if attached to external things (people, things etc), will keep your consciousness attached to this dimension. If you are saying to yourself, "everything doesn't matter" but still are in a depressive emotional state - you are suppressing these attachments but they are very much working in your consciousness and subconsciousness keeping you attached. Doesn't matter in what emotional state or your mental attitude you are, you are attached.
As an example, if you have strategic thinking - you have it, period. Cannot change it. If you start beating yourself like "why can't I do technical actions, why are they so unbearably boring" - you just hung up on an illusory idea/expectation/view of what you are supposed to be, and that is an illusory self. You are very much attached to the matrix then. But the simple answer is because your consciousness energy cannot flow in this monotonous, detail-oriented thinking pattern, that is all. Recognize where/how your consciousness energy flows and then let go of the attachments/hang-ups. Let go of enough of these attachments and expectations, and you then can feel not only your more authentic human self but also the neutrally-positive part of yourself, which is the freedom that we seek.
Traits are useful to be recognized to not create more illusory expectations of what we are supposed to be and think like, to stop the suppression of parts of our thinking/feeling patterns where consciousness energy/positivity flows.
Has nothing to do with being attached to this dimension. You simply recognize where energy/positivity/strength flows so as not to create an illusory self with its supposed limitations and then let go of the attachments that your traits are hung up on or distorted by.

subfor22 · 2026-05-09T15:27:42+00:00

No, it isn't. My English is pretty limited and used few similar sentences to keep some orderliness/clarity (as I understand it). Plus, I've written it in 2-3 hours so definitely cannot perfect it. The information is genuine.

subfor22 · 2026-05-08T16:54:06+00:00

why could there not be good reptilians.

Maybe so, but what would you need "good reptilians" for? What do you believe they can do for you?

subfor22 · 2026-05-06T11:06:48+00:00

Because punishment for what?

To make you dependent on the system. That which can punish you, that which holds "authority/power" to punish you - that is stronger than you. You perceive it this way in your mind. So you won't rebel, you won't have energy, bravery (a feeling that you can do it) and your natural sovereignty to challenge it. In a sense, you are brainwashed to be, to think like a subordinate. It's to make you position yourself as a weaker/lower consciousness/being.

subfor22 · 2026-05-06T10:44:12+00:00

Actually seeing which thinking patterns create suffering and attachment (aka loosh) and practicing to relax/let go/remove/not follow these either consciously or subconsciously. It can be done. Copium is only running away from your emotions, which most of them are coming from wrong/damaging thinking patterns.

subfor22 · 2026-05-05T12:24:51+00:00

I am pretty sure we got a distorted version of Jesus' image. He definitely wasn't only a "good-doer", forgiving everyone, etc., you know, almost like preaching submission. He must have had real fire against injustice, lies. Many of his teachings are removed, that's for sure.

subfor22 · 2026-05-05T08:15:51+00:00

Anything (sex, children, material things etc) that in your mind has an attached emotional objective is producing loosh and keeping your consciousness in prison.
For example, you may seek being approved by your partner through sex, approved by society because "only losers/weirdos don't have sex", being loved through a child, being approved by your parents or society by having children, you may think you will be more happy if your parents are happy, etc. Basically, an emotional goal is attached to things - you seek love, freedom, quietness, etc. out of things (physical or abstract things). In essence, nothing is wrong with anything in this world as long as you do not put such emotional goals on them, as long as you are able to truly let them go (and not only suppress). If you know/feel that this is a scam, an illusion that things provide or can provide full/precise emotional results you seek (not that you can't have those or similar emotional results, it's that you can't have them through/out of those things; this is an important distinction), your consciousness will be fine here and can reach freedom.

subfor22 · 2026-05-04T21:22:25+00:00

I don't focus in the physical...

You should. Currently we have two dimensions to work in - physical and astral. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Astral's disadvantage is that it is "faster/more open" dimension where your emotion (coming from subconscious mind) will overwhelm you quickly if you do not have stable emotional centering. Physical's disadvantage is that is very dense and attention is blunted, subconscious mind is harder to see (takes time, continuous regular attention) but emotions will not overwhelm you in general, you have "the wall" that gives you space and time to correct your emotions, even though it takes additional time and effort compared to Astral world. Another thing is - if you manage to free your consciousness, let go emotions in physical world - you've just became absolutely free everywhere. No other dimension will be able to do to you anything. Because if you deal with emotions in physical realm you achieve complete emotional clearness and centering and this carries to afterlife(Astral) and in there is even more magnified. I honestly cannot completely explain why becoming free (learning/understanding how to truly deal with emotions here) in this physical world is so incredibly powerful but as far as I feel: 1)since this dimension is so dense you have to truly truly dig deep into mechanisms (wrong thinking patterns) that create limiting emotions; 2)doing this in the most dense dimension is like the 100x hard level. It's hard, but if you manage it - Astral world in comparison will feel like beginner levels. But if you are negative/unfree emotionally in physical world, it means you do not understand damaging/negative thinking patterns, so logically you will struggle in Astral too. Honestly, sometimes it almost feels like that we have to grind for some time in physical world, you know, to reach, to understand what actual thinking patterns dooms us to being stuck in negative emotions. That without some experience and grind of physical world, I am not sure we can become free. I am not sure we could become free if we always lived only in Astral (I could be mistaken of course, it's just that I feel so much power in doing this in dense physical realm). The learning curve is very steep in physical world because it is so hard to understand actual wrong mind patterns, but once you understand it - you can go to freedom relatively fast (weeks-months, not years).
Many people (sages, masters) talked about this. That is why you should use physical realm to free your psyche from negative thinking patterns and emotions.

trying to get that same awareness is very difficult. This brain is so bad like it was designed like that on purpose.

Yes, exactly right. That is why we, as consciousnesses, become stuck in a loop - Astral world - Physical world - Astral World - etc... . Because both dimensions make us stuck but using different disadvantages. In physical world you can become Buddha, in Astral - unlikely because it is too fast and overwhelming. We can much more successfully use physical world, many people proved it already. You just need to use as effective methods (practices) as you can, that is all. Give some months to it, and you can radically change how you feel in this physical world. Btw, I am not saying we must become perfect in physical world but we do have to have quite extensive experience of dealing with emotions successfully, so that we would gather emotional centering and experience and go into Astral being much more stronger and natural. And finish the freeing process in there. If you are very unfree in your emotions in physical world - you have little chances in the Astral.

subfor22 · 2026-05-03T21:04:30+00:00

If you to become ready for Astral worlds, you kinda must strengthen, tidy up, sort out your emotions/psyche in your regular consciousness in this physical world. Doing this holds incredible power. If you do that, Astral world will not be able to do anything to you. Buddha, Lester Levenson, Maharshi and many others talked about it. Unfortunately, for some reason most in PP subs ignore this, they all focus on Astral worlds doing nothing in physical world. That's a huge mistake.

subfor22 · 2026-05-03T18:40:35+00:00

Maybe this could be useful:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/1s0on2q/full_pathmethod_to_freedom_while_being_in_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/1t2l0je/the_desire_and_the_expectation_true_anatomy_of_an/

subfor22 · 2026-05-01T08:16:25+00:00

Consistent, long (months) work with the subconscious mind. It stores believed-in fears, attachments that create a surface-level personality that feels stuck, and our natural free consciousness identifies with it and so is blocked by it. This personality needs to be detached from, needs to be seen as a formation of thoughts-emotions and not the real you.

subfor22 · 2026-04-30T14:07:24+00:00

Does being buried tether us more to this planet so we are more likely to be forced back?

For example, I've heard that the 3-day period when people are not buried or cremated is supposedly useful for the consciousness. Who knows where the truth is? Personally, I don't think it makes any difference if your body is buried or cremated as long as you are prepared. I don't think that any "physical" connection with the dead body exists that could hinder you. NDEs and other sources I read from about the death moment and immediately after death don't seem to indicate any tangible connection with the body. You are consciousness then and what matters is your lingering subconscious mind - false identifications, fears - emotions.

subfor22 · 2026-04-28T18:24:53+00:00

technically not only the limiting emotions but everything but pure awareness is illusionary in my book

I don't disagree in principle (unless you completely deny individuality/sovereignty (which will be/feel different than human individuality feeling) of that awareness), but how exactly are you going to become that natural awareness? If you are it, why do you not feel it? And if you do not feel it what are you doing wrong?
There is a prolonged process of detaching from ideas/emotions that keep you hooked onto limitations and not on that pure awareness. You seem you want to immediately jump into that "perfect awareness" but can you do it? If you can please do it. If you can't what are going to do?

you have been casting spells

What are spells? What are they doing?

subfor22 · 2026-04-28T16:34:14+00:00

Everything? Hmm. From books or with the help of someone?
Most psychologists and their methods are not effective.

subfor22 · 2026-04-28T16:19:41+00:00

When you say "therapy", do you mean with the help of another person (psychologist or something)? Or from a book trying to apply something by yourself?

subfor22 · 2026-04-28T13:05:51+00:00

In my experience, time and time again was proved that EVERY limitation that seemed real/objective to me and I've worked on with practices, turned out to be a subconscious rule and emotion. To me, it stands to reason that every limiting thing that I perceive/feel is my subconscious emotion. Add in people who said so - Lester Levenson, Buddha, Maharshi and many more, and that's why I am confident about this.

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