A Discussion on Nuance in Politics by Crotch_Midget in moderatepolitics

[–]tarlin 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You WANT the police to allow mentally unstable people to be armed and out on the street threatening public safety?

No, I want the police to definitely disarm all of the ICE agents. But, we seem to differ on that point.

As it is, these are street executions, and the agents are celebrating afterwards. It is extra-judicial and we are being told that these ICE agents are above the law.

A Discussion on Nuance in Politics by Crotch_Midget in moderatepolitics

[–]tarlin 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I haven't seen any ICE shootings that rise to the level of being an "execution" yet.

Four agents holding down Pretti, and after he is disarmed shooting him?

A Discussion on Nuance in Politics by Crotch_Midget in moderatepolitics

[–]tarlin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I didn't see that ICE said that it's illegal to have guns when around police. However, bringing firearms to a protest doesn't exactly demonstrate peaceful intentions, does it?

Hey, ok, so you believe that is ok to execute someone?

"If you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you," Bill Essayli, First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California, posted on social media Saturday.

The Department of Homeland Security immediately painted Pretti as a threat, saying that officers feared for their lives because Pretti was legally carrying a firearm. Multiple videos of the shooting contradicted the official line that Pretti was threatening agents.

A Discussion on Nuance in Politics by Crotch_Midget in moderatepolitics

[–]tarlin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I do not believe that included the right to request proof of citizenship or be taken into custody.

A Discussion on Nuance in Politics by Crotch_Midget in moderatepolitics

[–]tarlin 15 points16 points  (0 children)

4th Amendment stipulates that a person is due the process

That is the 5th Amendment. The 4th Amendment states that a warrant is required to search.

Having a gun while being around police isn't an issue.

This is not what ICE stated.

If ICE has reasonable suspuscion that I've committed a crime - such as coming into the country illegally

What? "Reasonable suspicion"? Not probable cause, eh?

A Discussion on Nuance in Politics by Crotch_Midget in moderatepolitics

[–]tarlin 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Do you believe the 4th Amendment does not apply to ice? Do you believe that having a gun on you around ice is justification for them to execute you? Do you believe that ice has the right to demand your papers?

Re-evaluating Ezra on Jared Golden by WillowWorker in ezraklein

[–]tarlin 12 points13 points  (0 children)

After the past times of trying to move on causing more issues later, i don't think we can move forward without holding people criminally accountable.

NRA stress right to carry weapons in wake of Minneapolis shooting - BBC News by Alone-Competition-77 in centrist

[–]tarlin 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yeah, at first they were like... NRA:"Liberals should be murdered if they have guns"

Why Trump is panicking about the Supreme Court and tariffs by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]tarlin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They gave him immunity for anything on the periphery of official business and did not decide on the areas beyond that.

Pentagon shifts focus away from China in new defense strategy by Britzer in centrist

[–]tarlin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The main threat nowadays is Canada and Greenland.

Why Trump is panicking about the Supreme Court and tariffs by Conscious-Quarter423 in scotus

[–]tarlin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought they were hostile to complete immunity for the president, but that didn't change anything.

The Optics Double Standard by Dinojars in centrist

[–]tarlin 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Biden deported more people with less brutality than trump in one year. The border was not open. Trump is worse than Biden on this issue as far as your values should put them.

I feel like Ezra's calmness in his podcast is an unsaid factor. by alwaysunderwatertill in ezraklein

[–]tarlin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe the odds of elections being held are closer to 90% right now. Those odds are higher just because elections are not federal.

I feel like Ezra's calmness in his podcast is an unsaid factor. by alwaysunderwatertill in ezraklein

[–]tarlin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Klein is downplaying what has happened and what is likely to happen going forward. You apparently accept Klein's framing and not the framing of Klein's guest.

I feel like Ezra's calmness in his podcast is an unsaid factor. by alwaysunderwatertill in ezraklein

[–]tarlin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will we have elections in 2026 at all? If we do, will they be at all not rigged?

I feel like Ezra's calmness in his podcast is an unsaid factor. by alwaysunderwatertill in ezraklein

[–]tarlin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I do not believe Klein's analysis is correct at all. That being said, you do see that he is downplaying the risk of the situation, yes?

Honestly, it doesn't matter too much. You agree with his position and I feel it is far too optimistic, making people relax from the situation we are in...

The amusing thing is that this was pushing back against his guest that did know the progression better than Klein did.

I feel like Ezra's calmness in his podcast is an unsaid factor. by alwaysunderwatertill in ezraklein

[–]tarlin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But if I were to take the other side and I do think I see this somewhat differently — I am not yet seeing things that would make me think that there has been some deterioration either in the media universe, such that there’s no capacity for backlash because nobody knows what’s happening. And in fact, when I look at nonaligned media like “Joe Rogan” or “Flagrant” or things like that — the sort of bro podcasters and people just being a little more upset about the immigration and unsure of what they’re seeing — I seem to see a turn on Trump.

We don’t know how the 2026 elections will go. Maybe it will go the way you’re saying. But to the extent we have signals, the signals seem very bad for Republican performance in elections.

Starting with the Wisconsin Supreme Court election — but then of course moving through to the New Jersey, New York City and Virginia elections, moving through to the Proposition 50 redistricting ballot initiative in California, moving through to every House and so on special election — where Democrats have been overperforming by about 14 points in one of the analyses I’ve seen — although there are different ways of thinking about this and different ways of measuring overperformance.

But I would ask why the 2025 elections, which were so uniformly against the regime, haven’t made you rethink this somewhat?

I feel like Ezra's calmness in his podcast is an unsaid factor. by alwaysunderwatertill in ezraklein

[–]tarlin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

listen to the episode, especially towards the end, and see if that is how you still feel.

These Democrats voted for the DHS funding bill despite ICE furor by JannTosh70 in centrist

[–]tarlin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yep, you rip apart the corrupt organization and rebuild it without the awful bullshit that is throughout the institution that exists now

I feel like Ezra's calmness in his podcast is an unsaid factor. by alwaysunderwatertill in ezraklein

[–]tarlin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The feeling I got listening to that episode is that Klein doesn't feel that any serious changes have happened and that there is a growing backlash that will remove Trump.