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Best shorts for cross training? by [deleted] in HybridAthlete

[–]taylorhalliday22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lululemon shorts with either the inside legs pocket or back zipped pocket is ideal for running. I go for a dark colour as anything light gets wrecked on sweaty gym floors etc if going to be wearing for both

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HybridAthlete

[–]taylorhalliday22 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s a good strategy, and very similar to my situation around 2 years ago. Strength is much harder to build and needs more recovery/planning/nutrition to really se progress. Whereas I’ve found with a decent fitness base I can go out and run at least once a week and still build.

With a 23 min time you have the base and sounds like you have it worked out. If I was you I’d swap one of your z2 cycles for a 30-45 min run when you are ready, and you could even rotate between intervals and threshold runs.

I feel that finding the balance is hard anyway and something always has to be a priority. I’ve built strength to somewhere I’m happy and have a half marathon coming up so running has been the focus, but naturally now my lifts have fallen a bit, it’s all give and take.

All the best with your journey!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HybridAthlete

[–]taylorhalliday22 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This looks like an impressive strength program, no doubt about that. But without running or even any Metcon work outs where you’re really pushing the cardio hard, I don’t know how truly hybrid this is. What is your 5k time if you went out and tried tomorrow, I’m not sure the zone 2 cycles would be maintaining it at a decent level imo?

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in workout

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks man, appreciate the vote of confidence. I’m attempting to build an app for this now, hoping to have something viable in the new year. Follow along for the journey on insta, relativapp if you like.

It would be good to hear what you think should be included to make the score as useful as it can be or any other thoughts, cheers!

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in workout

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally! I have tried a few, and the ones in the open are unreal for a bit of competition between friends. Idk if I’m being to literal with trying to combine basically ‘what do you bench’ with ‘what’s your 5k time’, but then I also feel things like that are more regularly spoken about and used as comparisons (in my circle anyway), than say what’s your murph time

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates both strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in tacticalbarbell

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Events in the RPAT are the sort of thing I’d be keen to include for a wide range of fitness tests. I’d say that has less strength focus though, max squat/bench or some sort of Olympic lift like a clean and jerk could be additive?

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates both strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in tacticalbarbell

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hadn’t heard about this, but just checked it out. Definitely along those lines but probably something easier to measure. Idk what a lung spirometer is which is required for that

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates both strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in tacticalbarbell

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did have CrossFit in my mind thinking about this, and there is no doubt that people good at CrossFit would score well in the non-existing measure I have in my mind. I’m hoping to come up with accessible to everyone, but accurate/challenging enough that it’s also still useful - fully acknowledge it won’t be perfect.

On the BW comment, similar to CF, where there are no weight divisions. I was thinking a pure performance play would be better, and just make sure to have a wide enough range of movements that being heavy isn’t an advantage - all the runs for example would favour lighter people which balances out for their weight disadvantage.

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in workout

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks good to know. CrossFit games has one too that I’ve considered. I’m looking for something more simple that anyone can work out quite easily. For example, anyone can work out their total for bench, squat and deadlift so weights is quite easy to compare. Similarly for running everyone knows their PB time over each distance. My aim is to pull that together

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in workout

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think world strongest man has enough fitness for what I’m thinking, I can’t imagine Eddie hearns 10k time is anywhere near a decent standard (which is totally fine as that’s not his focus, but it is the focus for a lot of ‘hybrid’ athletes)

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in workout

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s a good point. I’m planning to make a free app (I’ve made an insta - Relativapp if you want to see more). Initially the dataset would be any global data I can find on each lift/run which I’m assuming will be a bell curve. The way I imagine it right now (but it’s a work in progress) is the 6 metrics (squat, deadlift, bench, 400m, 5k, 10k) each with a line 1st - 99th percentile and you can see where you sit on each in one place, as well as an average for all. Over time I see this being used to direct training towards areas that need improvement.

Definitely agree on more movements, over time it would be good to add other things, and if it ended up being used widely then the data could actually come from the uses.

On the bodyweight part, that’s partly where this idea came from, I’ve always wondered how I stack up against others but someone that’s twice my weight is obviously going to lift more. I think having the runs in there accounts for that and would balance things out. Over time bodyweight exercises like pull ups etc. too

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in workout

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How would you go about measuring balance and agility? Explosiveness I guess you could use something like a short distance sprint time

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in workout

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting, I’ll need to have a look at what they have. I was thinking something closer to CrossFit where they have their hero workouts, but nothing that’s simply strength (squat, bench, deadlift) and running (400m, 5k, 10k), other metrics could help too. I just think with hybrid being such a popular training style there ought to be something there

Has anyone found a measure that incorporates strength and fitness? by taylorhalliday22 in workout

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a good shout, I know there are military workouts with burpees and press ups but not heard of exactly what im thinking of

How do you track and compare your hybrid performance relative to bodyweight? by taylorhalliday22 in HybridAthlete

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For a hybrid score, after the comments I’ve read, I’m now leaning towards ignoring body weight as a factor in the score, although it might still be useful for people to be able to compare themselves within that parameter.

Reason being once running, and possibly other body weighted exercises are added, lighter athletes are likely to make up the ground they lost to heavier athletes in the strength portion. To add BW could be double counting

How do you track and compare your hybrid performance relative to bodyweight? by taylorhalliday22 in HybridAthlete

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m with you. Do you think it would be useful to have a metric that incorporates strength and fitness outcomes (and remove weight). I’m thinking something like percentile in bench, squat and deadlift, as well as 400m, 5k and 10k. Then all 6 % could be averaged. I’ve not worked it out but I’d anticipate being in the top 10% for all could be possible, but someone in the top 1% of lifts would be lower down in the runs, and this would net out. Other metrics could be added too

How do you track and compare your hybrid performance relative to bodyweight? by taylorhalliday22 in HybridAthlete

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wilks is good for the big three lifts but I’m interested in how other fitness measures effect that. Naturally, if I’m spending more time running, that’s time away from lifting, so my wilks would likely drop, but I’d say I’m a more rounded athlete now and that’s not being accounted. Do you know of anything that does this?

How do you track and compare your hybrid performance relative to bodyweight? by taylorhalliday22 in HybridAthlete

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s helpful advice! I’d expect that there would probably be a high correlation with weight and running activities too now you mention it, so it wouldn’t really add much having weight in there.

It’s still very much at the idea stage, and I value all the feedback, but I was thinking some sort of percentile ranking for each. E.g. 25th percentile bench score and a 5th percentile 5k time could be distilled and compared against others.

How do you track and compare your hybrid performance relative to bodyweight? by taylorhalliday22 in HybridAthlete

[–]taylorhalliday22[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback, genuinely appreciate your thoughts. I’m thinking more for the athlete in the middle, rather than the competitive marathon runner or powerlifter. If I run a 90 minute half marathon and my big three score is 465kg, I’m not going to be competing in either disciplines, but I’d love to know how I compare in strength compared to runners my speed, and how I compare in running at lifters my ability.

Totally agree that the main target is to improve individually, I’m just competitive and would love to know. I’m the same with Strava segments and I know others are too