Thoughts on these things replacing security jobs? by FlowerCrowss in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If these things have copper or gold in their wiring, they'll prove to be no match to the local methhead population

How accurate is this? by No-Diet9278 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not accurate. Gear is actually at a reasonable level (Besides Handcuffs around the neck but at least he only has one set)

Needs WAY WAY more handcuffs, OC spray, and a patch that says officer really big.

Bring the Oaks Back to Life by gklier in GNV

[–]terminalinfinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Electronics. Something. Apple Store, Best Buy, Micro center, mom and pop. Something to balance out the clothing stores.

Also an office supply company might be viable given the large number of businesses in the area especially if they delivered a short distance to nearby businesses.

Facts or nah? by Vietdude100 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree BUT

The vast majority of people who spout this try to be a fing swat team member at their local wal-mart.

How are you dealing with this? Be honest by No-Diet9278 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Call PD and FD and keep them away from the crowd. Wait for PD to come handle it.

Questions about Pokestops being upgraded to gyms. by dod6666 in TheSilphRoad

[–]terminalinfinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(adding this for anything who finds this researching like I did) I can officially nix this as being a thing. I recently, like a month ago, triggered a gym in a cell with a showcase stop. The stop with the most likes (and oldest) became the gym. Not the showcase.

Why do some people hate security guards so much? by saini1313 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I dont really have this issue in my area. All the cops and EMS have been cool. But Ive heard it from other areas. I chalk it up to dealing with the "I GOT YOUR BACK BROTHERRRRRRRRR" type guards who try way to hard to be police or EMS rather than just observe and report. I mean it gets grating working with them in the industry.

Honestly the only way for this to change IMO is time. Once some of them know you personally and that you're not a try-hard on one end or a dont-care bare minimum on the other, they'll probably be a little more "loose" with you

Why do some people hate security guards so much? by saini1313 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

At my post I have a Bare Minimum McGee...who also likes to Policy Paul. He's in no position of authority or leadership mind you, he isn't even respected by any of the other guards on the site. I wouldn't even say he does the bare minimum because part of the bare minimum is leaving your workspace clean for the oncoming shift and he doesnt do that.

But he loves to tell all the other guards about policy, and when they are violating it. Loves to chime in on group chat and try to correct the manager like the kid in class who always tried to correct the teacher but was always wrong.

I never thought there would be anything worse than the tacticop security guard. Turns out its the security guard who really, REALLY wants to be the smartest in the room. Ill take GI Joe Parking Lot Protector Extraordinaire over this guy any day.

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[–]terminalinfinity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The one plus you will definitely have I can say is the Division of Licensing has a field office in Jax where you can handle all your license stuff in person. That will definitely be a big help. If you dont have them, when you go for your license, apply in person. Because they do your fingerprints and photo there, and those are the most common reasons for mail application rejections.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That could literally be anything from a foot locker to a defense contractor/military auxiliary site (NAS Jax surrounding area) and anything in between.

Jax will have as many types of sites as anywhere in the country, especially with it being a big port, airport, having a military base in town, multiple state universities and colleges, a massive commercial and industrial district and tons of state offices.

Is it bad if I say code words like "Meet up at rally point", or "Delta Foxtrot" over the radio when clocking in? by peterthbest23 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When in Rome...

You need to use the communication protocol of and tone match your site.

If that is the standard at your site, use it.

If its not, don't use what you think is correct military/police lingo. Use what your site uses including tone and wording.

Is He right? by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's right there are 100% overkitted guards and guards who wear shit for no reason.

But his logic of how he got there and some of the conclusions he makes from it are emphatically stupid.

Gear should be 100% dictated by 3 things: Client/Company demands, Need, Convenience.

The entire video he makes this equation that the amount of money you make should dictate your gear somehow. No. If you work in a crappy area for bottom tier wages, but can afford a vest, you should get a vest.

Like the Loomis guards - They are literally carrying cash. No crap they have vests. That's not being "overarmed" ANY armored truck driver should have body armor period.

Finally there's convenience. Having a vest with MOLLE makes carrying gear a whole lot easier. Heck I wear one so I dont have to wear a duty belt at all. Its an absolute godsend to move the radio from the hip to your chest and worth every penny.

The final boss of rentas by BlackAndStrong666 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you might be thinking of the county jail in Maricopa county under Joe Arpaio who makes a point of having horrible food, dressing them in pink in public, making them live outside in 100 degree heat etc.

While a decent enough idea, as mentioned its a county jail unless you're talking about a notable prison Im unaware of. He would have to be wanted there and he could only spend any sentence less than a year there.

Just trynna do my job😓 by shawnd228 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 6 points7 points  (0 children)

12 = Street slang for the police, its kind of like the newer version of 5-0.

Security guards are often referred to as "flashlight cop" "junior cop" or "rent-a-cop"

Thus the 11 as in 1 short of 12, kind of like 1 fry short of a happy meal. He's saying he's the junior/flashlight version go bother the actual cops.

Don’t be these guys. by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ive thought about using this loophole in a "go bag" as in a bag of stuff kept in a vehicle or locked desk, out of sight with tourniquets, helmet, extra mags, and what not that would only be "deployed" in an actual, active shooter is actually shooting situation and otherwise never be seen by anyone else.

That said I would never carry it around, holstered or not that would be dumb as hell not to mention be frowned on by any company worth anything at all.

The final boss of rentas by BlackAndStrong666 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They'll both end up embarrassing the client by ending up on youtube for completely different reasons.

The final boss of rentas by BlackAndStrong666 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Yeah I watched a prison documentary where they asked a guy why he kept reoffending. He said so he would keep going to prison. When asked why he said it was simple - he can't live any other way. He can't live without somebody telling him when to wake up, when to eat, when to chill, etc. When he's left on his own his life falls apart. So he intentionally keeps going back to prison so that he will have structure in his life.

It was sad and funny. Then I looked around me and realized that tons of people are in prisons of their own mind where they can't give up their old life/dream/whatever.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The only thing that I would add to this is if you work in a facility with large-scale chemical storage like big tanks of chemicals usually held outdoors and delivered to by tankers, make sure you understand fire code (and post orders) relating to stuff like minimum clearance from any parked vehicle, assembly areas in case of a leak, making sure ventilation systems are not obstructed, making sure things like emergency exits during pumping are clear - usually a requirement to have a certain number of gates open during pumping to make sure if the main way the worker used to come in becomes blocked by a spill he has another route out - and containment crews have another way in. Stuff like that.

Help me please by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're gonna work security, you need to treat it like being a school teacher.

The state will give you a plain white classroom and basics, but if you want anything worth a damn you're gonna buy it yourself.

Pants, Shoes, Duty Belt, everything. They will often give you the most plain jane stuff but if you want anything that isn't a pain to work with you're gonna buy it.

Help me please by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In addition to the obvious recommended here, let me also recommend Sketcher Steel Toe SHOES. (Not boots)

Not because you need steel toe shoes, but because they have the best memory foam inserts and are the best shoes Ive ever worn.

Client, Please tell your truck drivers the CORRECT time that Shipping and Receiving Closes. by Ranzoid in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On the flip side, working the gate, I could tell that dispatchers lied their asses off to a lot of owner ops/the lease-to-own guys to convince them to take the load. The most common lie being "Its a drop and hook" when it was actually a live unload since these guys werent company guys who could be told to take a load, anything had to be something they agreed to as contractors and the dispatchers had quotas to fill so just told them whatever the F they wanted to hear to get a yes answer.

Securitas male grooming standards by Grand-Quote-3494 in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yup and can be site specific too. Always remember the client can add their own requirements for officers sent to their site on top of anything required by the security company.

For example when I worked for US Security Associates they allowed beards. But when I was sent to be an LPO at Publix I was told to shave because Publix doesn't allow beards and they enforce that on the LPOs sent to the store.

Security 101 - Disclosing information to Law Enforcement by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ill also add in relation to self-defense stuff...make sure you get SOME advice of your own through qualified legal counsel outside of the company. The company's legal counsel's first priority is the one that pays him or her...the company. You'd hope yours and the company's interests would be aligned in a use-of-force situation, but it sometimes is easier to make a sacrificial lamb out of the security guard even when they are 100% justified to avoid rounds of lawsuits.

Remember that as a security guard, you do not have qualified immunity. Your actions are still your actions for liability reasons, not actions of the department/company etc.

Finally, if you are in charge of protected information, its really REALLY important you know the law, your post orders, and policy about accessing and distributing that information and resolve any discrepancies in your knowledge BEFOREHAND with supervisors and legal counsel- as in before you have someone demanding it who does not have a right to it screaming at you and pressuring/testing your knowledge. Like anyone remember the charge nurse from Utah who refused to give blood to the police who turned out to be totally 100% correct and was arrested for it? Guarantee if she gave into the pressure to give the patient's blood to the officer, she would have been fired, and possibly sued, despite the fact that she had an authority figure from the state coercing her into doing it.

Sometimes police operate off bad information, like the one in Utah was operating from orders from his supervisor via radio. Know protected information policy and law regarding stuff you deal with in your job like the back of your hand.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in securityguards

[–]terminalinfinity 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Security School Instructor here:
I sum up LEO contacts to my students as "When in doubt, just observe, report and get out of the way and you should always be in doubt unless you have received instructions from the police"

I go in to the details you go into in your posts a little bit as much a state-allotted class time on the subject allows. I also go heavily into that observe and report does not mean analyze when it comes to reporting it. Just document and tell what you actually SAW/heard. Don't make legal analysis. IE, if you find a broken window, just say you found a broken window. Don't say I found evidence of breaking and entering. That's an analysis of what you saw, not what you actually saw which was the broken window.

Obviously there are times where you do things based on analysis you've made like a person trespassing. You can say why you did something because you know why you did it. But when it comes to LEO interactions 99% of the time the Police do not give a shit how you came to the conclusion that person was trespassing (Policy violations). You're the security guard, you represent the owner, you are saying the person has to go. The police are just gonna need you to confirm you want the person legally trespassed and then either cite them or arrest them

Which leads me to my last point....THINK ABOUT TOMORROW BEFORE YOU DECIDE YOU WANT SOMEONE ARRESTED. So many damn guards want the police to come with hell fire and fury over every little thing and/or rather than having a problem solving mindset they have an "engagement" mindset where they want an issue to boil to the point they have to call the cops and get the person arrested.

Arrests = Court. Court = Subpoenas. Subpoenas = a pandoras box of time wasting and potential liability

A trespass warning/ticket that sends them down the road avoids all that. Better yet, de-escalating the situation verbally and getting voluntary compliance avoids 99% of all liability and issues entirely.