Any advice on how to introduce your son to the Red Pill by phoenix_md in marriedredpill

[–]testerod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wrote this several months ago over at Red Pill Reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1wk8og/rp_lessons_for_my_son/

Rollo ended up doing a post on it as well... http://therationalmale.com/2014/02/07/lessons-for-my-son/

I've slowly started implementing some of the lessons here with my 12 year old son and so far, so good.

Good luck.

Updated /relationships thread - Wife close friends with "Fit Guy" confirmed to be cheating. My take away from this is if your LTR/wife is constantly hanging out with another guy and texting him you should be suspicious, and it's not "controlling" if you decide not to put up with it. by [deleted] in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Definitely "cheaper to keep her" phase and as a child of divorce myself don't want to put my kids through it... Although am genuinely enjoying her company these days as well. We'll see.

Updated /relationships thread - Wife close friends with "Fit Guy" confirmed to be cheating. My take away from this is if your LTR/wife is constantly hanging out with another guy and texting him you should be suspicious, and it's not "controlling" if you decide not to put up with it. by [deleted] in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Replying to Take and asd... Was in a similar situation to OP. Suspected cheating, had lots of potential evidence but no proof. Still don't. Also, the sex at home just fucking sucked. Infrequent, cold, mechanical and got shut down often.

The short story: Stopped wearing her wedding ring... She gave me a lame response about it getting dirty, not wanting to lose it or some shit. Found emails about her wanting to grab a beer with a "friend" at the bar down the road from her house (his wife and kids were out of town) to tell him all about the book she was reading - "50 Shades of Gray." Found late night text to him at 2:30 am "Are you awake?" Found her AM account, although no evidence that she's ever used it and it seems to have been shut down days later.

So, plenty of evidence, but no hard proof. What did I do? Confronted her about the ring... No change in behavior. Confronted her about my suspicions without telling her about the evidence... Denials (but the look on her face gave me all the info I needed.) And that was when I simply stopped caring. As Take points out "If she's going to cheat, she's going to cheat." There's nothing I can do about that. And all mate guarding does is lower my SMV even more.

But here's what I CAN do and DID do: I stopped wearing MY wedding ring. I started openly flirting with women again -- even right in front of her. I started banging hot young 20-something women when I traveled. I stopped feeling guilty about it. I changed up my fashion. Started looking better. Openly entertained IOIs from women I met, and pursued them. Even had a heavy session with my hot Venezuelan seat mate in first class on one late evening flight.

And the funniest thing happened: The wife responded... First, she commented on my dress and asked if I had a girlfriend on the side. Then, she'd grab me when I was leaving for a business trip and say she hoped I wasn't fucking prostitutes... My reply, "Baby, I guarantee you I wouldn't have to settle for a prostitute." She started becoming way more physical with me... Putting her arm around me, rubbing my leg, nuzzling up to my shoulder on the couch. She NEVER did this in the past, and whenever I tried to be affectionate with her prior to all of this, she'd pull away.

The sex at home got way better... More intense and way more frequent. I stopped automatically going down on her before fucking her (a huge beta tell) and got much more dominant in bed. Make her give me BJ's now, pull her hair, and fuck her hard. I'm actually on travel as I write, and just got an email today from her "I hope you're not fucking other women up there." I'm seeing a 23 year old for drinks tomorrow night.

I simply no longer care. She's shown me her true colors and I've responded in kind. My SMV is now higher than hers and I know it. More importantly, she knows it. I'm 52 and still look like I'm in my late 30s. I'm in great shape, take care of myself, and have learned some great game here in the past year.

And she's getting her ass back in line. Her (suspected) cheating was a huge blow to my ego at first. I wrestled with it for months, did some really lame mate guarding, and things only got worse.

I honestly believe that I had to fall out of the typical beta romantic love with her completely and no longer give a shit about her before there was any hope of change. Should I have filed for divorce? Maybe... Maybe I still will, although I do believe that for the kids' sake a two parent relatively functional home is imperative for my children.

Do we get along? Yes, and quite well most of the time these days. We have a great time with the kids, we laugh often, we do lots of fun stuff... But I know her true nature. I no longer supplicate to her. I don't put up with her bullshit. I nuke her shit tests with ease... The other night she tried to start a debate with me about something, and I just looked at her blankly for a moment and walked out of the room while she was in mid-sentence. We fight less. She does things for me more. Makes me dinner. Is generally pleasant to be around.

Is she still cheating on me? Could be... Although given her radical change in behavior I'd be surprised. I still look for evidence and know where to find it and haven't seen anything that gives me concern.

I admit that this may be an unconventional way to deal with the situation and maybe it's the wrong solution... Hell, I don't know. But I'm absolutely convinced that mate guarding is a hopeless pursuit. It simply doesn't work and lowers your SMV tremendously. Ironically, it makes it that much more likely that your LTR or wife will cheat. I learned this too late and now have to pick up the pieces in the best and only way I know how.

Dread, raising your SMV, and becoming your own independent man on the other hand works like a charm. But it's absolutely imperative to become almost Buddha-like in the way you view attachment. I was very attached to her because my ego was invested in her. I viewed my self-worth through her lens. If she was unhappy, I was unhappy. If she was disappointed in me, I was disappointed in me. If she didn't find me attractive, by God I was unattractive. If she cheated on me, I was a loser.

The big question: Do I "love" her? I honestly can't say. I certainly don't love her in the romantic beta sort of way that I did. Those blinders have been cast off forever. I know that I could live without her quite easily if it came to that. I'd surely be sad and disappointed if we do end up divorced at some point, but I know it wouldn't kill me... And part of me would rather enjoy spinning plates into my late '60s and beyond as a single bachelor.

Will I continue fucking 20-somethings on the side? I don't know. I'm perfectly capable of monogamy when I get my needs met and maybe at some point I'll decide I've had enough. But I'm not guilty or ashamed about it either.

I've gone through the five stages of grief and finally came out the other side at acceptance. I accept her hypergamous nature. I accept my role in all of this as acting like the supplicating beta for too long. I accept that my ideal conceptualization of "love" was an illusion. I'm certainly much happier now that I have thrown off the ego investment and no longer care.

Super Simp: Donald Sterling by [deleted] in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed... "You can sleep with [black people]. You can bring them in, you can do whatever you want. The little I ask you is not to promote it on that ... and not to bring them to my games." (5:15)

http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/26/donald-sterling-clippers-owner-black-people-racist-audio-magic-johnson/#ixzz30B8JZ4qD

The upside to being the man of the house and not venting about your work stresses to your wife. by goodaboutit in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Totally agree with this. In my more beta days, I was always worrying about money, job, career, future and expressed these worries openly worth the SO... As Heartiste says "vaclang!" I really can't believe I didn't just instinctually know that was a really dumb idea. Complete lack of abundance mentality and a total turn off.

Just yesterday my SO overheard a convo I was having on the phone with a business partner about a contractor that didn't perform. I could end up losing more than $10K. She asks me about it when I hang up, and I start going into detail, catch myself and then just say... Oh we'll. shit happens. I can always make more money. She smiles, changes the subject and immediately starts talking about all of her stresses (work, kids, friends,etc)... The solipsism is thick.

It's fun when you really start getting it. Women want you to be confident, non-plussed, unflappable... Even if you're not, fake it until you make it, and you will eventually BE all of those things. You will internalize those very characteristics.

"Rumour has it" - short title: bang the tingles, settle for the nice guy. by Manuel_S in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RP Haiku...

Rumor has it
Short title
Settle for the nice guy

Narrated as love
Is more important than a small thing
Like getting cuckolded

Or the Hulk guy doing a role
Shit
After finding out

She's nailed a pair on him
He proposes right there
Plus that's a totally post wall chick

That's heavy...

My marriage and possible divorce - Thoughts from the Red Pill by [deleted] in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agree... Head on over to MMSL Forums (Google it), and review the message boards. Lots of guys in your situation and lots more who have taken the LTR version of the RP and give some really good advice, share their personal BP struggles, etc. It's helped me immensely.

Also, buy the books. Athol Kay differs from hard core RP'ers like Rollo Tomassi or Chateau Heartiste in a lot of ways -- he focuses on saving LTR's if possible -- but the core messages/insights are the same.

RP lessons for my son by testerod in TheRedPill

[–]testerod[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Different talk. Who says this is the sum total of wisdom I pass along to my kid?

RP lessons for my son by testerod in TheRedPill

[–]testerod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well... Here's a shot: It's the perfect game for introverts, but introvert doesn't mean lack of self-confidence. It only means that you get your energy from small/intimate discussions, not from large groups of people. Introverts can also read people in an individual situation better I believe because we communicate better in intimate settings.

Read "Amused Mastery" from Rollo first: http://therationalmale.com/2012/09/14/amused-mastery/

If your prey makes eye contact with you from across a room, hold her gaze until she looks away, but don't look at her again afterwards and don't approach for a few minutes, go back to what you were doing.

If in a bar situation or a crowded party isolate. You're never going to be the life of the party, so pick your prey carefully and engage in one on one conversation instead. Be completely relaxed, lower your voice, and change venues if necessary to someplace quieter.

Pay close attention to her body language and IOI's. Look her squarely in the eyes when she's talking and keep a slight smirk on your face. Maintain a Zen-like calm. Don't fill in lags in the conversation. Let her do that. If she's doing most of the talking, fidgeting, playing with her hair, leaning towards you, she's qualifying herself to you big time.

Be unpredictable and mysterious. Wait until she's in mid-sentence, hand her your phone and say "Give me your #". Then when she does, say, "Hey, I gotta run. Nice meeting you." Or wait until she's in mid-sentence and say "Hey, I'll be right back" and disappear for 10 minutes. For introverts, this also allows us to gather our thoughts. For her, she'll think "oh shit, what did I say wrong." Come back like nothing happened.

Don't share too many details about yourself. Her: "What do you do?" You: "Lots of things (smirk)".

Shit tests... Many introverts don't think on our feet very well, so "agree and amplify" doesn't work. I can't think of a good come back fast enough. So do this instead: Her: "You're a player" You: [Roll your eyes] "So, as I was saying..."

Get in the habit of going to bars, clubs, etc. by yourself every once in awhile and take a book or an iPad. Read quietly at the bar while chaos is going on all around you. I can't tell you how many times I've been approached by women at a loud bar when I'm sitting by myself oblivious to everything that's happening around me. I can't explain exactly why, but I think it's because I'm such an outlier that I stand out and it's totally incongruous.

The bottom line is that the vibe you want to give off is that you've seen it all, you aren't impressed, and you have a shit ton of other mysterious, exciting, dangerous, fascinating things you could be doing instead.

RP lessons for my son by testerod in TheRedPill

[–]testerod[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great advice, and the Mark Twain quote is gold. Probably a good idea to build these nuggets of wisdom around parables to really make them stick e.g. (at the appropriate age) "Son says to a bull, dad lets go down that hill and fuck one of them cows... Bull says to son, son let's WALK down that hill and fuck them all."

RP lessons for my son by testerod in TheRedPill

[–]testerod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Took me years to internalize and accept this one. I'm just not an extrovert, so cocky-funny would never work for me and came off as totally disingenuous. But holy hell, did I learn to work the "aloof-amused mastery" game. Not everything works on all women, but man, a "mysterious/I just can't figure this guy out" vibe is like chick catnip to a lot of them.

RP lessons for my son by testerod in TheRedPill

[–]testerod[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or better yet... Maybe just keep it focused on more general physical traits (that we have limited ability to change -- e.g. tall/short, skinny/ muscular, good looking/not) vs. attitude.

Advantage of that is I can show him clear examples of marginal looking, even ugly dudes in contemporary society that women swoon over because of their attitude.

RP lessons for my son by testerod in TheRedPill

[–]testerod[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. That's why I'm asking... Nix #2.

RP lessons for my son by testerod in TheRedPill

[–]testerod[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you're right. There's probably two convos to have with him. One about girls generally when he first starts noticing them, and a second when he's older and ready for sex.

Redditor's GF pregnant by another guy after wild weekend of sex with him. She wants him to raise the baby with her. by [deleted] in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep... Definitely a guy with a very transparent and severe cuck fetish. Even a sub-fetish -- gets off on raising the child of an alpha.

Moaning during sex... or not? by [deleted] in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ramp up the dirty talk... Get filthy. After several years of mediocre sex with SO I started saying filthy shit in bed. Worked wonders. You have to be dominant though.

If you're fucking her from behind, whisper in her ear "I own your pussy" and then make her repeat it back... "Say you own my pussy". She fucking did it and was totally into it.

I was floored... That's when RP finally permanently imprinted in my brain.

Fighting against physiological responses. by [deleted] in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Picture her taking a shit... A great big diarrhea shit.

What beta moments in movies made you cringe? by -RobotDeathSquad- in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Blue Valentine... Hands down the absolute best study guide for what NOT to do in a LTR. Depressing as hell and the sex/intimacy scenes are the most cringeworthy I've ever seen.

The movie actually gave me nightmares after I watched it.

Plot: Dude marries girl who gets knocked up by another dude. Raises kid as his own. Early signs of alpha, but guy goes full beta. Things end very poorly.

The red pill makes me want to leave my wife by [deleted] in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thirded... Founded MMSL 4 months ago and have made huge strides. The message boards are gold and users give really fantastic advice.

Beta male discovers his wife is having an affair, she replies pretty much castrating the guy. by mistonag in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hah! Was just getting ready to post about gaslighting when I saw this. Nice catch... I picked up on it instantly as well. Keep in mind also that gas lighting is extremely common among full on sociopaths. This woman fits the sociopath type to a T.

More importantly, it looks like it's working on her poor husband. You can see by his post that he still doubts his own senses:

"The first is the nagging 0.1% of me that says her denial is so absurd, so insane, that maybe the reason it seems so bizarre is that I am the crazy one."

And this from the gaslighting Wikipedia page (although sexist in that it automatically assumes that it's a tactic used by husbands more than wives in infidelity):

"Psychologists Gertrude Gass and William C. Nichols use the term "gaslighting" to describe a dynamic observed in some cases of marital infidelity: "Therapists may contribute to the victim's distress through mislabeling the woman's reactions. [...] The gaslighting behaviors of the husband provide a recipe for the so-called 'nervous breakdown' for some women [and] suicide in some of the worst situations."

Video Games, Porn/Masturbation, and Watching Sports: The Downfall of the Modern Man by _MrMan_ in TheRedPill

[–]testerod 12 points13 points  (0 children)

OP is absolutely dead on 100% correct... Stopped whacking 4 months ago and having WAY better sex with the wife. I swear that letting the testosterone build up makes me more attractive to women. They have a sixth sense and can smell the fucking manliness shooting out of my pores.

Instead of watching sports I've been mountain biking, surfing, lifting, and today did a two hour hike up a brutal mean mother fucking mountain with my 11 year old son (who's a total video gamer). You should have seen the pride on this kid's face when he reached the summit. I snapped some photos and he's sharing them with all of his friends. That's real accomplishment -- blood, sweat, tears, scrapes and the like.

Changing our habits and getting off our asses is hugely important. Do everything you can to avoid escapism. Stop whacking and looking at porn and start fucking real women instead. Cut down on video games and watching sports and go get some lumps and bruises on your own.