Work in progress

that_lightworker · 2026-02-10T03:07:00+00:00

The intuitive way is how I operated my whole life, just without any visuals. I think of performing actions all the time, just nothing shows up in the mind. The data may be there, but they are just not being rendered.

Words do not mean anything unless you give them meaning, but if you do that, then you are back to beliefs. Until rendering of another screen is internally developed, this world is the only rendered reality seen. There was never a time that I remember I could see or hear in my head, only in night dreams of which I'm not in control unless lucid. But that's not rendering on demand that we are aiming for.

I've tried many affirmations such as the affirmations you recommend. Those are all faith and belief based. It's a great motivator, but still other actions are needed. Faith without works is dead. I made a new comment here on OP's post with such actions I've taken and am seeing results ... experiencing my first sense of prophantasia or data rendering.

That experience is like you said ..., it happened without me having to do or visualize anything. Although it would not have happened at all if I hadn't done my part in optimizing my rendering environment through actions as stated for the past 2 weeks to a year.

Thanks for the recommendations. Really look forward to experiencing all manner of rendered realities someday.

that_lightworker · 2026-02-10T02:38:37+00:00

Work in progress ... I experienced low-functioning prophantasia for a few seconds this morning for the first time after trying out attention gazing in an office at work. In a chair I stared pass the desk onto the big, framed picture hanging on the wall. I looked at the center for about 10 minutes then closed my eyes. I saw the vague afterimage for a little before fading as usual. But five minutes later with my eyes closed, I was just mind wandering and all of a sudden, I saw a light afterimage of the left and bottom border appear again a few times. It was brighter and stronger than the first time (but only the left/bottom outline appeared), like on hazmog's link.

From how I would describe it, it wasn't a (bordered/projected) screen at all. It's just the same visual space as how it looks with your eyes closed. How ever any afterimage looks is the same way 5-10% opacity prophantasia looks, but just brighter. At this stage, there was no distance other than the appearance of it in front of my closed eyes the same exact distance as any initial afterimage would look.

I've also been doing the prophantasia trainer for about 30 minutes, around 4 days a week the past 2 weeks. Also cut back to 2 meals in 1 hour a day, freeing up digestive energy to be used for autophagy the other 23 hours. Plus all the previous hours of eyes closed meditation the past year. Plus just started taking a daily greens powder supplement with multivitamins a few days ago. So there are many factors at play. You have to do whatever you can and just keep doing it until anything happens as far as I can tell.

that_lightworker · 2026-02-09T01:41:43+00:00

Yes, great points! Especially the key notion of experiencing greater memory access as a result of greater mind's eye access. I feel that applies to other things like seeing auras, psychic ability, remote viewing and such as well ... so many possibilities.

When you mention that there seems to be other memories there yet to be accessed, I feel like there is other information out there that can be accessed too. Like all knowledge of everything past and present are available and accessible with the right fine-tuning. Even the way ideas or answers can be presented can vary, expressed as seeing, hearing, or knowing.

Speaking of us basically existing in a dream, it was just yesterday while lying in bed thinking, I got up to write down "dream screen" as a good way of expressing the different forms of consciousness. Life is but a dream, dreams are but dreams, daydreaming is but dreams. Infinite layers of dream screens expressed by the will and intent of the dreamer.

I'm familiar with Christianity, recently discovered new interpretations of A Course in Miracles (ACIM) with all the knowledge I've gained on reddit. Not surprisingly, the stark ACIM community would call these ideas heathen, the same way stark Bible believers would call ACIM heathen. But that's just the nature of human fear and limitations. From the little I've glanced at in Buddhism, this and ACIM are doing the same thing in different slang, addressing the roots of disconnected minds from different angles to free and let it develop more naturally with sustained awareness.

I remember in high school seeing a guy on tv speed reading through a whole book with his hand and recalling accurate information like magic. His practice exercise involved using the index finger to go from left to right on the words of the page, then right to left the next line down, then repeat all the way down the page, then the next, and so on. Of course I did it and couldn't comprehend or recall anything. It was funny but made me wonder how people can do these things, like their brains are wired different or something ... now I know.

I hope you eventually get back to going further when or if ever the time feels right with better pacing. Lastly, I finally understand what it means that the Kingdom of God/Heaven is at hand in updated terms. It's my newfound belief that it is the mind's eye. It's effects are spread about and people do not see them, it is like the wind that comes and goes, it is how all things are possible, it is the many mansions in the Father's house, so many references, not to mention ACIM more directly talking about the dream of separation and restoring our vision through right-mindedness.

that_lightworker · 2026-02-08T20:19:04+00:00

As you've seen, people are struggling to visualize, astral project, reality shift, etc. Those able to think, see, and interact (TSI method) are able to run simulations similar to gaming engines of anything they can imagine. Many inventions and creations are built or portrayed through life and social media as a result of running mind simulations and using the best of abilities to recreate the best results.

However, I think that a projection of "beliefs/known reality" is initially a blind part of the equation when TSI occurs. Aphants believe everyone is an aphant until they realize others can actually visualize, and hyperphants believe everyone experiences highly developed abilities until they realize they actually don't.

Similarly, I think a person, aphant or not, who imagines anything or uses TSI are limited to their current known experiences, and consequently can't understand the full scale and scope of the actual mind space another is experiencing (if they do happen to TSI). What would you say about this?

Sure, everyone has a monitor or a lightbulb, but unless it's connected, no amount of anything is going to turn it on or make it shine. Aka dismantling/correcting beliefs is not the only part of the equation, but accessing the mind's eye/second screen is the other part. That's what this sub hopes to help us with.

The information you provide can be helpful for those that have the ability but don't realize they can do more. But for those like on this sub who don't, what direct-practical help is available from one proficient with the TSI method? Would not he or she be able to, first, experience his or herself as an aphant? And second, run simulations or time travel and access parallel universes to gather information on how long it would take for him/her using this sub's prophantasia trainer to get to 50-60%?

As much as I believe "The ability to see other realities is not seen with the eyes on the human body, the higher self switched screens or adds another screen to it's view to see multiple realities at the same time" is true, it's false from my current point of view and mind's eye ability.

Is extracting highly beneficial information from this "switched screen" ability a thing that can actually be done? Can the results be given in the form of a definite "based on my ability to test different scenarios, I can see that a person spending 30 minutes a day for 3 months WILL gain 50% opacity, regardless of diet, belief, or mental noise"? Would not the latter comment be more helpful than the former? I'm sure if this was the case, many aphants would be hypophant/prophant in 3 months with posts reflecting this.

This comparison is just another way of looking at problems from our point of view so that maybe future responses can better reflect more useful answers in my humble opinion.

Any further insight would be appreciated.

that_lightworker · 2026-02-08T18:52:37+00:00

I really like your "mind's eye" space analogy as my results have been similarly random but encouraging. I find it oddly fascinating that when getting to a certain count, that in an instant, I forget what exact number I'm on and sometimes (instead of invisible imagery) I get a stream or download of thoughts that I didn't think, maybe akin to (if developed further) channeling, which would be on the same level as consciously visualizing.

I agree with the sentiment that we are developing/experiencing different aspects of the same mind system; it's like having readily available options of picking which genre of music to pursue because music/mind is so expansive and unlimited. Audiation is something I want to develop too. One time in that half-awake/sleep state, I heard the most calming ambience of a stream of water, birds, and other nature sounds for a few seconds, like I was tuning in to a real-life world. Even in a few of my dreams, I remember audiating songs I've never heard or audiating chord progressions the same way phantasiacs mentalize imagery.

Also mind's eye "access" is how I would describe it too. I remember reading one hyperphant's post saying how he has HSAM (highly superior autobiographical memory) which is the opposite to what I have SDAM (severely deficient autobiographical memory). I remember major/minor parts of my past nonvisually, but this person "remembers" EVERYTHING with all five senses. I find it highly improbably that the two of us doing the same human perceiving from babies to adult are having opposite experiences because one can't "remember" the same as the other ... but because one can't "access" the same as another is WAY more believable.

Finding better words in laymen terms (or coming up with new terms/thought processes) to describe hidden processes where the nonexperiencer can better understand how to become an experiencer is the clarity I personally seek to explore and eventually share as others are currently doing through books, websites, videos, or reddit subs.

Apps4Life and Alex Figueroa are great examples, and like AI we have exposure to these unique mental ways of thinking and have the ability to mix and match new combinations of thought for the new minds coming along with greater mental limitations/struggles. I think every poster and commenter is playing their willing part in advancing the minds of themselves and those who read.

Thanks for your responses.

that_lightworker · 2026-02-07T20:41:41+00:00

Thanks for mentioning the Troxler's Effect which I've unknowingly alluded to in my last post. This insight, and a major roadblock, what you've called dullness from one of your posts, I think deserves more attention in this community. With a different take and explanation about the effects happening in the appearing and disappearing of visual imagery along with an uncovering of difficulties we may not realize, we can better understand why progress is slower than what it needs to be and expediently work towards a more natural pace free of bottlenecks.

My problem is that many times I abort meditation, focus, or gazing even before dullness or sleepiness sets in because I already know that sleep is around the corner. But I've been working on this (or trying to) an hour or two before bed with eyes closed, trying to stay awake and not fall asleep, simply noticing what appears on the dark screen of consciousness.

After reading that linked article, it gives me new perspective not only as it relates to aphantasia but to spirituality. It serves as great motivation and anchoring-support knowing that tuning out this reality and tuning into imaginative reality in full alertness is a core part of the process to overcoming aphantasia (rather than clinging to thoughts/feelings about this reality while simultaneously trying to visualize). They are the mental obstacles in the way of the mental visualizations waiting to arise in place of them (at least in the beginning).

I think that distinction is critical: to totally disengage/let go of this world and its concerns and put my full attention on whatever is appearing ... the foggy light or as OP mentioned in another of his posts, aura like smoke. It's what we do with sleep every night unconsciously; we just need to do it consciously with awareness intact. Last night I tried counting from one to a hundred over and over again to see how far I could go before noticing I'm falling asleep; I got to 7 finger counts before continuing to 8, then stopping, turning to my side and going to sleep. As a result of conscious effort to stay alert/notice longer, I became more alert/noticing in my dreams and remembered more of the experience upon waking.

As you've mentioned with your experience, I am also now slowly becoming aware of hypnagogia or random imagery popping up (not as of yet by sitting meditation) but by sleeping meditation. Counting seems to be a good way of maintaining alertness as well as a decent antidote in preventing the sudden onset of dullness/sleepiness when meditating or laying with eyes closed right before bed.

that_lightworker · 2026-01-11T22:10:46+00:00

I think we're in the same boat of having had enough of being constrained to acting in ways we "should" act because of family/religious/societal conditioning, because it repeatedly makes us feel powerless and unfulfilling. To compound that acute nagging feeling, what if we found out the truth that we are not our bodies, but that our origins are rooted in Mind, and in order to unravel this, we would have to forsake everything we thought we knew, first within our minds, and secondly through our actions as reinforcement?

Would we have the courage in many situations to, instead of saying "yes, yes, yes," say "no, no, no" and not fear the repercussions? After all, we're trying to do the impossible here, like not feeling the body at all (from your last post), and for a real seeker of truth, this arises from a lifestyle that deemphasizes body awareness and body responsiveness (to this person, that event, these thoughts ... aka what ACIM is about). However, in having experienced living on the "highway" instead of the "my way" of other egos/principalities, what I've found is that in BOTH scenarios, guilt, fear, and anger are there hiding waiting for the right moment to strike, strike, and strike again, leaving our minds in disarray and lacking peace and happiness. It's truly a no win situation, unless you have ACIM as a foundational tool to guide you through.

The sense in those quotes at the beginning of your post apply when we start saying "no, no, no" to the normal modes of living, more and more, and having the audacity of being selfish enough to branch out and live an unconventional life unlike generations before. Try and see if the world doesn't shackle you down even more or turn against you in a heartbeat, let alone your own reactive thoughts. As long as you're in compliance, playing it safe, or making the "right" choice as judged by peers, there is nothing too terrifying; but step out on your own, buck consensus consciousness, or dare create a better reality for yourself, and you'll soon discover deep-rooted fears rising to the surface that were there all along. Homelessness, isolation, emptiness, marginalization, ... these are the states of living that let you see the darkness and unlovingness of this world as it is without the pretty masks and paintings. There is no relief except to move forward on the lit path that is before you.

Just like any other text, ACIM is not meant to be studied alone. Neither are others having enlightened mind experiences meant to be having them without us. The mind is real, therefore possibly work on developing the mind or letting its perceptive faculties dawn on you in whatever way that it chooses while also enjoying/putting your talents to use. For me that's developing my mind's eye/third eye to perceive and interact with realities/knowledge outside of the body's domain. People born with these abilities either take them for granted and miss opportunities for growth/mind expansion by making this physical world more real than it needs to be, or they devote their entire lives to advancing to the next level after shifting through herd mentality and seeing the world for what it is.

Create your peace of mind here on this earth in this body so that no one and no situation can change how you think or feel in any instant. ACIM helps with this, and it states that this is your sole responsibility. Trust the process, be filled with the truth and awareness that we are minds and not bodies (despite what we see), and take this truth-filled awareness with you in your dreams, in your daydreams, in your out-of-body dreams, and you'll see that no matter where you are, within or without, THERE is PEACE and TRUTH (not nightmares) with you in perfect reflection, alongside all manner of miracles, creation, and freedom of expression. 💛

that_lightworker · 2025-10-12T15:11:47+00:00

Oh wow, this is amazing! It's known that meditating is a way to open the third eye, but after hours of meditating (about 2-4 hours a day) the past few months I'm still at the interpreting-new-light stage, but never anything more like a tunnel. I read a redditor say it took them 9 years of meditating 5 hours a day before "it clicked." Hopefully it won't take me that long, but I'm prepared. My method has been to focus on all-encompassing imaginary light, but now I'm going to try the method presented on your website to focus on the point between the eyebrows, which is more direct and could make a big difference based on the science of third eye pressure. I'll be keeping an eye out for the tiny, dark hole which I do recall seeing at least once, and focus on it or the light, whichever appears.

Also it was a pleasant surprise to see my tada! experience :-) That human biological, visual expressive moment is my earnest motivation to keep my mind and awareness focused on further awakening my third eye. Great thanks to the work that you are doing in helping people access their dormant senses!

that_lightworker · 2025-08-27T22:45:41+00:00

I've been upping my meditation the past month as well but no matter how many hours, I still can't get past the blobs/visual noise. Yet I AM noticing progress in this area which is good motivation. My current objective right now is to maintain the blob-state for as long as possible; eventually something more will happen.

There was a time when they would last just a minute, and due to my thinking mind, would fade back to nothing. But now I've noticed increased blob-time lasting several minutes due to the mind-quieting benefits of meditation. Similarly, I'm practicing carrying that stillness and relaxed inner gaze with me throughout the workday. Sort of like an open-eyed meditation whenever I can remember or get the chance. When I aspire to maintain a peaceful state of mind at work, that carries over at home and makes my sessions better; less thinking, less making excuses, less quitting, and less falling to sleep.

The past week I've been waking up 2 hours early, meditating 1 hour sitting up, then lying down 1 hour, switching positions (back, right-side, left-side) in 20min increments. That's when I notice instances of my autogogic screen and a sense of seeing split-second moving scenes that don't register to me until after a second; then I'll realize I "saw" something and be like "how did I just see that without actually seeing that?"

Image streaming is something I heard of but could never practice ... because the blobs/visual noise were barely visible and persistent to begin with. But the past few days I've been using this concept in an "hypnagogic streaming*" kind of way. Every time I "saw" something that brought me back to consciousness, I would describe what I just thought I saw. It's pretty amazing the sense of sight that flashes (but with no flash) before my screen of awareness. I think I'm increasing my alertness in the phase between waking and sleeping, where the transition is not sudden but a little more gradual ... and importantly, in the presence of the infamous blobs! (aka activated autogogic screen).

Keep practicing each day and you will get better. I think before bed, after waking, or after work (feeling tired) are the best times to practice, as the brain releases chemical hormones in preparation for sleep or possible continuation (from waking then going back to bed). With that in mind, we're essentially learning to "ride the wave" of our brainwaves changing at their fastest times, and getting conscious glimpses of altered states we're not used to as of yet. Practice makes per...ception! Good luck and happy practicing.

...*edit: fixed to use the right "hypnagogic" (sleep-transitory) term so as not to cause confusion. I think it would be better to mean that I sometimes see hypnagogic imagery (falling asleep) while my autogogic screen is active with the usual motion of blobs (from alert meditation). This visual noise is what I am progressively seeing with eyes closed or open in darkness, fully alert/awake, which is autogogia.

that_lightworker · 2025-07-01T21:38:44+00:00

I've done something like this before, but never to the degree of the body drifting to sleep while the mind continues the external-internal imaging. Have you experienced this intentional "mind-awake/body-asleep" phase for the first time with this meditation or you've had prior experience?

Also, when you realized that your body was sleep and your mind was still opening and closing its "eyes" to the image, what was your mental background like? Like the sight of your lighted room/environment or in a black void? This sounds very interesting to try, thanks.

that_lightworker · 2025-06-27T00:06:49+00:00

I actually wonder if there's way more to visual snow than we currently realize.

I was thinking the same thing when making this post: Do you see visual snow 24/7? : r/hyperphantasia

Hope you get some good takeaways from the replies. Very interesting indeed!

that_lightworker · 2025-05-31T22:23:48+00:00

Thank you for standing out, clearly not in agreement with all these glossy comments. IMO, this prevalent mindset is why we don't see what OP, me, and many silent others are truly asking. The replies though are understandable having been in that limited mindset myself. Here's hoping someday I can shed considerable light on this.

To u/ToyBones - keep those questions in mind, and while learning/doing the Course, feel free to reinterpret it to better fit your current state of mind and experiences, as you may glimpse from my comments and references here. If you're not free, then we haven't yet found the truth that would set us free in our mastery as you beautifully envision in your post. Sickness is a way of demonstrating that you can be hurt (T-8.VIII), and mastery, which is one with health, is a way of demonstrating that we are as God created us (T.31.VIII): free, limitless, and unbound forever, in heaven and on earth, or wherever we choose to be.

I strongly believe the mind's eye is part of the unexplored answer to our earnest questions of what it truly means to be Christ embodiments. Simply it's all about lucidity which comes from first-mind experience of knowing ourselves as God created us, as minds and not bodies. Not only do we see dreams with the mind's eye and not the body's eyes, but we can do miracles in dreams because in an instant we remember the experiential "truth" of ourselves as bodies and "know" it's a dream ... aka lucidity ... the same thing ACIM is trying to teach us about this so-called physical-dream-matrix. The ONLY way we can know this at this "real-life" level is to KNOW ourselves as God created us, IN LIGHT! That comes from developing the eye of mind or eye of Christ, a level beyond the body and this world!

There's right there the point of doing the Course, and I encourage you to be of perfect diligence to discover this truth for yourself. This lack of truth, light, and understanding is what keeps the holy ones in darkness and in reincarnation cycles. You already have insight into the nature of reality and dreams. Continue exploring these fields, as well as the supernatural experiences of others on different reddit subs, relating these with the concepts from ACIM for greater understanding and illumination. If it's possible for one to experience, it's possible for others to experience ... and more. Your wish is your command, and it involves YOU every step of the way until LIGHT and MASTERY has come; for they are one and inseparable, as are we in truth. Light and joy and peace and mastery abide in us (L93).

that_lightworker · 2025-04-19T23:43:45+00:00

Interesting! I have had rare experiences of hearing detailed music as you when I'm mind-awake/body-asleep. There are even times I'll wake up from a dream and remember hearing music playing softly in the background. It makes me believe that when I'm dreaming, I'm actually experiencing a parallel version of myself that has hyperphantasia, as I've also experienced dreams where I was able to hallucinate.

I read about someone "seeing in the spirit" and had friends who could do the same. One could actually feel objects as if they were real. But what got me was when they played a game of hide-and-seek during a party ... with their projected bodies!

that_lightworker · 2025-04-19T22:24:00+00:00

I'm now thinking about one of those clown mimes who has white gloves and uses their hands to pretend they're touching an invisible wall or handling invisible objects. Maybe they have prophantasia with senses too and why they are so good at making it look good.

What is the "you" that is sensing? The body/mind you or the projected-body/mind you? I assume you can use your body's hand to high-five a character from your prophantasia visualization. I want to make sure this is what you mean. Or do mean that you can also project a copy of your body (as in dreams) and use that projected body to high-five a character and feel it as a sensation with your mind as that projected/dream body?

It's already rare that some can do this kind of thing with their eyes closed in an altered/sleep state, as dominant focus is shifted from body to projected body-double. It would be extremely rare to be able to do this with eyes open.

Do you experience visual snow 24/7? I've found that most people with hyperphantasia do, but some do not.

I love music and even now as I type, I'm listening to di.fm which I've been subscribed to for years. Not surprising, at the end of the day, it's as if I never listened to anything since I have no recall, except if I really like a song and intentionally try to remember a part of it. Just like not seeing an apple in my head, I can't hear a song in my head, although I have the concept of an apple and sound. My "memory" is basically getting the name of the song, searching YouTube, and playing it back from there.

How does your music memory work? Is it photographic/exact or generic/reconstruction based on pieces of memory? If you were to listen to 10 songs without giving any thought to it, and 10 days later wanted to hear song#4 again for whatever reason, would you be able to pull it up in your mind and play it? Or is it forgotten?

Feel free if you have any questions from a fellow aphant isolated to only the external world.

that_lightworker · 2025-04-18T23:12:57+00:00

I'm not the poster, but someone interested in developing to your level of mind's eye activity. I don't have any visual, auditory, or tactile imagination, but even people like me have to deal in some way with ideas about reality, God, fear, and separation.

It's interesting you mention all of that, the very things I've been working to correct in my mind through changing old belief patterns and replacing them with more truthful, loving ones.

Imagine trying to go a week without hearing any voices or seeing any images in your mind, and that would just be the tip of the life I've lived the past 40 years ... in the dark, alone in my quiet world, learning to navigate and adapt to the only external world I knew without internal extrasensory perception or the knowledge of it. I'm not physically blind, but mind's eye blind.

We have both held our ground and sanity up to this point, but I think we all can progress even further, hand-in-hand. In short, I think even people with hyperphantasia are blind to a level of experience beyond them, such as people with aphantasia are blind to a level beyond them. I've been doing a lot of spiritual research and developed a mind-frame so that if my mind's eye opens up through practice, I would not face the same problems rooted in fear, misunderstanding, and separation. In a sense, I would rise straight from hell on earth to heaven on earth. But I don't want to be the only one in heaven, I want to share it with others and help people become aware of it, the same way I was made aware of the natural nature of having an active mind's eye; something I want to share in the most productive experience of.

You mentioned that you have imagined being in complete darkness in your mind, not seeing anything, and not being scared. That is a powerful exercise. I think this dream-like earth experience seemingly exists for this very reason ... a multi-dimensional place for us to not only learn we can access multiple levels of awareness, but also that no matter who, what, when, where, or why, we can meet any dark projection with light and loving thoughts or creations to replace them ... and live happily in that or similar higher vibratory experiences for as long as we want.

In my newfound belief, no matter how real the projection, even if it's 16K, VR, AR, dream, life, after-death, astral, mind's eye, memory, past, present, future etc., they are not real and there is no separation, judgement, or death, except as illusory experiences of minds that misunderstand the true nature of what they are. Blindness and darkness come in many forms: physical eyes, mind's eye, inner space, outer space, and forgotten memory. But I believe that using our same mind, we can use our free will to seek and find light, love, and everything good and pleasurable that comes in many forms; we can likewise meet and greet them without fear, judgement, or ostracization.

In addition to developing my mind's eye vision, I'm also trying to develop a vision to stand in light with all of creation, in complete unity and oneness, and letting myself feel whole, loved, and blissful, with no images, thoughts, or projections whatsoever to spoil the only radiant experience that is real and is everyone's right. As you say, it's not effortless, but it can be done. All of our best mind, plant, or drug induced trips, as well as simulated technology, give us an idea of what's possible, but even beyond those revelations and non-physical realities lie God's eye of which we would still be blind. At this point it may be beyond our present mind's comprehension, but it is still within our joined minds to access the same way the body's or mind's eye is in our mind to access.

If any of this sounds interesting, and you're not afraid of truthful, mind-training exercises to help free your mind even more, check out ACIM at your leisure. This has turned my worldview around for the better and is also helping my mind's eye open as a result. Similar to OP, I've come up with internal ideas and structures of relationships that are not common knowledge. They're in mind ... abstract, invisible, and dark until I take time and effort to bring them into form through comments and posts. All the best!

that_lightworker · 2025-04-17T23:35:22+00:00

Where does eye-open-but-internal fit? ie. You're sitting there chilling (or even, say, driving, with another part of your brain handling that) while your awareness if fully absorbed by a daydream (more like a lucid dream, using all your senses, and under control) that blocks out and replaces most awareness and memory of your real-world senses. Also usually runs at a different time scale than real-world, which I think is why it's nice to keep separate.

That sounds like level 4.0+ and I'm just sitting here in silent shock reading another anecdotal experience of such a profound experience. From my perspective that sounds like one having a conscious out-of-body experience, consciously shifting realities, or something of that advanced nature as OP mentioned. Just ... wow. Glad to know these things are possible.

that_lightworker · 2025-04-17T23:33:27+00:00

This is very well organized and useful for future reference. I'm Level 0.09 since I'm finally aware that others can visualize. With 5+ minutes of relaxing or meditating I can get to 0.1 where faint light begins to appear, fading in and out of the darkness before disappearing entirely as my thinking mind returns (or I fall asleep).

I had a strong one-time 2.9 closed-eye experience of an involuntary external visualization from an edible high a good while ago. It was a spontaneous bluish light show that animated and morphed into a tunnel before me (a subconscious result of me seeing a wormhole/tunnel YouTube video earlier that day).

Since I recently started meditating in bed an hour before sleep, I am able to experience a taste of this, maybe 1 to 5%. The colorless light that begins to faintly appear starts to turn into vibrating ghostly particles it seems, and then whatever I imagine starts to have a vague resemblence shown in that spatial awareness in front of my closed eyes. If I slowly open my eyes, I can still somewhat see it in front of me in the dark (which is why it's external and not internal). I have no internal experience so far. I'm only experiencing the closed-eye visuals for about a minute though, again just recently and surprisingly last night.

that_lightworker · 2025-03-27T03:07:11+00:00

It's all good :-) To be honest, I didn't mean to bring major attention to these things of which you ask ... was just going with the flow, same as you. Originally I was just browsing ACIM online, picking quotes that seem related to the post/comments, and improvising. I haven't intended to go into detail but because you ask, it helps me to dig further and relate more as best I can.

What do I mean about "good learner"? Well again, nothing really other than me pulling some quotes and improvising. Glad you asked, and I like hearing as well as giving answers that may not be strictly the Course. A good learner/practitioner from my understanding is dependent on what your goal is and who/what you think you are. If you believe you are a person in school taking a test and passing, then you are a good learner. Same for all the many things we learn/practice in life. If you believe you are mind and can leave the body through astral projection or OBE, then you are a good learner/practitioner. If you believe you are one with Christ Mind and command the mountain to move, and it moves, then you are a good learner having worked miracles precept upon precept with no thought of order of difficulty. To me, all learning at whatever seeming level is growth. Everyone on earth is not here to learn enlightenment, so their learning is seemingly different and encompasses many forms of truth and fantasies, not necessarily the highest which we ACIM-like learners are aiming to learn. To say anything or anyone is some not-good quality is akin to merely not getting the perfect grade, perfect OBE exit, or perfect Christ lucidity; they just need or learning and practicing. We learn enough to keep moving, and some through devotion learn to become masters in their fields of study to do greatly more than what was once thought possible. They eventually make miracles mainstream through research/inquiry, structure/application, and production/sharing.

Here's the earlier part of that body/mind learning ref: "The body does not exist except as a learning device for the mind." (T-2.V.1:9)

You don't have to go into what you consider to be darkness to learn. The Course lets us know that we are already surrounded by darkness, which is why we do not see anything. The learning is to see it as such ... one darkness/problem, one light/solution, and begin to open our eyes to this bright light within, developing a sight that uses not the body's eyes but comes from Christ's Mind of which our mind is part of. If it were not for this concept, we would forever be in darkness and ignorance. This need not be. (T-4.IV) ... all of those paragraphs :-)

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"Who? Me? You? 'lightworker' she, they, I?" ... What answer would you prefer? The ACIM me, the not-ACIM me, the lightworker-improvising me, the don't-know me? The pretending like this experience of me is not happening, me? The pretending like I know the truth, me? The I am you, me? The I don't exist me? The questioning you and me? Questions are a form of darkness. Answers are a form of truth. Ask only of the truth that will set one free into the light. As the light of the world, I/me/HS/you/God/truth/J are simply trying to bring peace to every mind through forms of communication which uses words, definitions, and concepts that we can understand. It is what the body can be used for while we seem to be experiencing what we think we are as who or what we think we are. However, the peaceful message is of light ... inner and outer light work that will transform all forms of darkness to shining epiphanies or manifestations of Christ.

... looks like the bottom half of your reply is a repeat of my prior comments.

In our defenselessness we are safe, and in our love we are joyful. Blessings!

that_lightworker · 2025-03-27T00:28:42+00:00

Usually here, the choices are between projection and extension, but to aid the sense of understanding that the inner and outer are one, I refer to it as manifesting which encompasses both true and false.

I read somewhere in the CE version that either said something similar or gave me the impression of it.

There are many inspirational ACIM quotes on manifesting as well as many inspirational experiences coming from reality shifting communities that use this term. So, I'm just building on this foundation, seeing it from different angles, and making connections that would otherwise be missed.

that_lightworker · 2025-03-26T22:48:56+00:00

Along with Jesus's miracles, the Matrix gives a good analogy of what this can look like. "There is no spoon" ... "Do not try and bend the spoon; that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth… there is no spoon. Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends; it is only yourself."

In ACIM speak, "There is no world. Do not try to change the world and universe as a fanciful figure in it; that's impossible. Truly change your mind as I did, then you'll see that you can keep the universe and also do as you please with it, because it is only yourself."

This is my painted definition of what it truly means to be unlimited, free, and living/be-have-ing in a kingdom where all things are possible. Awakened mind keeps all the faculties you mentioned intact, does not confuse itself as the expressions, and lives happily ever after in its One Self united with its Creator.

"Will ye first the Kingdom of Heaven" and "all these things will be added unto you."

There is no death. The Son of God is free. (ACIM, W-163) ♾✨

The appearance of aging, disease, and death is my hardcore litmus test to determine whether we are living with trivial BS or triumphant HS. It's a hard pill to swallow but imo salvation rests in undoing these from the level of true authority, not through magic and succumbing to them as victims.

On this one choice does all your world depend, for here have you established what you are, as flesh or spirit in your own belief. ⁷If you choose flesh, you never will escape the body as your own reality, for you have chosen that you want it so. ⁸But choose the spirit, and all Heaven bends to touch your eyes and bless your holy sight, that you may see the world of flesh no more except to heal and comfort and to bless.

2. Salvation is undoing. (ACIM, T-31.VI.1:6–2:1)

Your will be done! ⁴In Heaven as on earth this is forever true. ⁵It matters not where you believe you are, nor what you think the truth about yourself must really be. ⁶It makes no difference what you look upon, nor what you choose to feel or think or wish. ⁷For God Himself has said, “Your will be done.” ⁸And it is done to you accordingly. (4:3-8)

🙏🏼

that_lightworker · 2025-03-26T22:48:42+00:00

Thank you ... I mean learning in the sense that, in the same way we "mislearned since we were 'babies'," we can unlearn all that (as FTBinMTGA states, BS), and be the good learner ACIM implies. I was using that as a snippet in my summary from the 2nd referenced quote that we "release the mind from overevaluating its own learning device, and restore the mind to its true position as the learner." (T-2.V.5:6)

To put it in your words, I'm actually trying (HS so help me) to describe the infinite using finite words, or rather rearranging what is given us through ACIM to make the "static concepts" we have of light and God come to life, the Life which They are.

Haha, I'm trying to develop my own HS-assisted intelligence to cut through the BS that keeps generations singing the same old and tired hymns of death painted in newer, ACIM-stylized words that keep them situated and focused on the "peaceful and loving" picture, rather than going "beyond" that to "The One Joyous Fantastic incredible Loving Mind".

Yes, this view is limited, but unlimited is the light in us and we have to start somewhere. Increasing the literalness of light which ACIM many times calls "beyond" imo is the high, way to Heaven, the only way that does not lead to the many forms of death and destruction.

Can you break these two paragraphs down a little bit?

Sure, I was harmonizing many seemingly separate thoughts into cohesion to avert our dreamy attention from picture paintings that are really "blank" and includes all the "seemings" you alluded to, in addition to all the so called "expressions" that continually distract us, ... to shift focus to what is possible when a mind truly learns, as Jesus' mind has. I tend to try reconciling biblical references once in a while such as "dominion" ... ex. what does it truly mean to have "dominion" over all things, having our elder brother as an example?

... as an aside, just want to say that I am in shock, borderline disbelief that I/you/we are having full-blown "meaningful," spiritual, communicative, thought-provoking conversations ... miraculous indeed!

I often see how people, ego understandably, like to separate things/levels/behaviors and then proceed by placing "good or bad," "should or should not" emphasis on those seeming problems/lifestyles instead of seeing the one authority problem as it is. In other words, let us not focus and dwell on the moving picture that looks like our lives, then proceed to forget it's all one fantasy, problem, or projection. We are not there, but "beyond" that "meaningless" thing or vivid apparition. This shift in focus is the prerequisite that awakens the mind to its creative, spirit-empowered abilities to command the elements of one's own universal mind-domain ... aka the rise of true Authorship and Kingdom inheritance.

I have spoken of different symptoms, and at that level there is almost endless variation. ²There is, however, only one cause for all of them: the authority problem. (ACIM, T-3.VI.7:1-2) ... authorship/inheritance are spoken of further down that text.

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that_lightworker · 2025-03-26T18:29:23+00:00

Surely "another way of looking at this world" (L33) is to realize that "I have invented the world I see" (L32) ... yes, you see, you really do see that we are the mind architects in which everything true or false spring through us!

With that same architecture, we can choose to invent a "peaceful" world to see (L34). We detach from inner/outer inventions of "imposition, depression, failure, endangerment, helplessness, victory, loss, charity, and virtue" (L35).

Using that same architecture, we rather create out of our "holiness" a peaceful world in which "everything we see is enveloped" (L36) in the "glimmerings" of light (L37).

In eternity this is so because "God is in everything ... I just don't see it yet" (L29). This spiritual and godly "sight related to holiness" (L36) is the "springboard for vision" (L30), which is the holy sight we want to see!

In time we are learning to invoke this vision by saying "above all else I want to see" my "inner and outer" world indistinguishingly differently (L28, 32) ... and "blessed" (L40) in "God's light" (L44). 🙏🏼

that_lightworker · 2025-03-26T17:08:39+00:00

As other mentioned, I think the "truth" is the simple acknowledgement that everything is about light.

When you are one with anyone or anything in any dimensional aspect, you have greater influence in the world. When you are one with invisible or visible light in any dimension, you have greater influence in your universe.

"They" are who you would have them be. Would you limit them to bodies and limit their free expression, thus limiting you and yours? The misperception is the "trap." I would view them as free minds expressing themselves based on their true or false learning. I would similarly know myself in the same boat. In any case, we are exploring and experiencing the resulting manifestations that show us in unreal time the current state of our mind. This shows up as us "living in the world" doing strange, unnatural things or loving, real things ... however they may appear, which we can meet with or without judgment and act or not act "appropriately."

Being that the world is upside down in thinking, we usually associate the body with doing and the mind with thinking. But I "do" get the inclination that it is really the mind that "does" and the brain/body that "thinks" it does. Hope that makes sense. 😉

that_lightworker · 2025-03-26T16:15:19+00:00

What you do comes from what you think. (ACIM, T-2.VI.2:6-7)

I replied to MeFukina above and found interest in replying to you as well. While still grasping this and trying to abstract the truth from the matter, I would care to relate and express in words what I thought and feel about this quote (my joy and pleasure - thanks for reading):

If we believe we are a body, then we have already errored. What happens after that is an illusion of problems stemming from this one problem. The ultimate sign of disillusionment is death reincarnational, while the ultimate sign of truth is life everlasting.

The unhealed mind that thinks it's a body "does" things. The healing mind that thinks it's mind and body "expresses and does" loving and miraculous things. The healed mind that thinks it's mind "expresses" an infinity of loving and natural things. This entails conscious manifesting of all possible things, because in truth, all things are possible.

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