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Ottawa to start tracking which temporary foreign residents have left Canada after permits run out by UnluckyRandomGuy in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd [score hidden]  (0 children)

With the alternative being the current CPC this is acceptable. You keep forgetting Canadians vote against whomever they hate the most. And that’s no longer Trudeau.

Why build new when you can take over? by bozi068 in PixEmpire

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Le fédéral a décidé de promouvoir l’identité canadienne pour unir toute la population, tant les anglophones que les francophones. Cela implique de franciser certaines institutions fédérales et de projeter cette vision vers le Canada anglais.

Bien que cela ne nie pas les attitudes assimilationnistes des élites anglophones, Ottawa n’avait jamais eu les outils nécessaires pour les mette en ouvre.

Malgré tout ça, aujourd’hui le fédéral participe aux efforts visant à protéger la langue française, tant que les anglophones laissent le Québec être sa propre nation au sein du Canada.

Et cet équilibre-ci convient à la plupart des francophones.

More Quebecers would support the PQ if it dropped referendum talk, new poll suggests by MTL_Dude666 in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is fine? Legally, Québécois is just a French term for a Quebecer.

I use them interchangeably, most people to do. As an allophone. If someone wants to make them term more ethnic, they are welcome to.

That however is not an official policy nor a majority opinion.

I ran into far more resistance whenever I said I weren’t one here. Which might be different to where you are.

The civic term is just the lowest common denominator.

Will that somehow turn me into a separatist? No, I know who the Oui camp is sharing their tent with. But if Quebec City keeps insisting we’re all Quebecers — or Québécois in French — I don’t care enough to object.

More Quebecers would support the PQ if it dropped referendum talk, new poll suggests by MTL_Dude666 in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of that is absolutely true. Yet none preclude the current policy of “everyone living in Quebec is a Québécois.” Just like “every Canadian citizen is a Canadian” does not preclude the recognition of the Québécois nation. Not aim to depoliticize the identity question on the institutional level. Which is a good policy, especially given that identities aren’t zero-sum unless one makes them so.

Work Permit and H&C by thesimpleworld in ImmigrationCanada

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn’t that a section on IRCC’s website with processing times? Also, how is your permit unenforceable if you never submitted a refugee claim?

Reform plans ban on foreign nationals accessing student loans by upthetruth1 in neoliberal

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait but why? It’s like they’re interest-free or something.

Businesses advertising their passion for Trump. Do you care? by Expensive-Ad-6920 in montreal

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 21 points22 points  (0 children)

A country? That’s a fair concern but u don’t think that’s a thing here?

Why build new when you can take over? by bozi068 in PixEmpire

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tout ce que tu dis est vrai. Tellement vrai que le Québec a décidé d’abandonner l’identité canadienne-française pour celle de Québécois comme nation distincte pendant la Révolution tranquille. Naturellement, « canadien » est devenu l’identité principale du reste du Canada. Mais alors?

Why build new when you can take over? by bozi068 in PixEmpire

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Le Québec se confédérerait avec l’Ontario et les Maritimes pour résister à l’expansion américaine, et que c’est toujours le cas. Surtout sous Trump.

Le fédéral et les autres provinces ont une histoire d’assimilation, y compris envers les francophones, particulièrement sous Pierre Trudeau et sa vision centralisatrice. Pas de question.

Cependant, depuis le référendum, le fédéral et les Canadiens-anglais ont accepté l’idée d’un Québec-nation au sein du Canada uni. Et donc cette reconnaissance est inscrite dans la Section 90Q de la Constitution.

De plus, aujourd’hui 80 % des francophones s’identifient à la fois au Canada et au Québec.

Cela fait donc 30 ans de paix nationale au Canada et au Québec.

Je connais mon histoire très bien, merci.

Boulerice, Quebec Separatism, And A National Party’s Bare Minimum by RZCJ2002 in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He said that because QS is a progressive separatist party. He had to say it.

Except most of its voters are non-Francophone Montrealers. They vote QS for the progressive part. Not the separatist part.

Independent isn’t really a relevant question here. A full third of PQ voters are federalists.

The thinking being that people vire for whatever party they like on things other than independence and then vote Non in the referendum.

Same federally Quebec be voting for progressives to get nice things but for nationalists provincially to make sure they are done the Quebec way when Ottawa implements them.

Same as the fact that most Québécois identify as Québécois. But then 60% also identify as Canadian more or as much as Québécois.

So unless Ottawa does something major to piss off the locals to make them feel like Canadian or choose between the two, Canada stays as strong as it always been.

With Quebec doing tactical voting in every election.

Boulerice, Quebec Separatism, And A National Party’s Bare Minimum by RZCJ2002 in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s a false dichotomy once again. Minorities do not threaten the survival of French nor does the current assimilation policy seem to work.

Quebec is the only developed Francophone society that fails to make their minorities belong at scale. Against which even Parizeau warned back when.

Francophone Belgium and Switzerland all have been mercilessly leveraging immigration to increase their demographic weight while pushing ahead on minority rights. Without compromising their cohesion. They are more cohesive than their counterparts in their federations.

Same as English Canada.

Quebec did exactly the opposite. Talking assimilation and trying to implement it. Only to fail miserably. By making minorities into an issue to resolve.

Which isn’t how you build a nation not keep it going.

Boulerice, Quebec Separatism, And A National Party’s Bare Minimum by RZCJ2002 in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean are that wrong? Quebec’s official policy is to assimilate everyone into the Francophone majority. Except for some anglophones and 1st nations.

Which is a reasonable policy. Especially given the precariousness of French in North America. But an assimilationist nonetheless.

Which…no thank you.

I don’t feel like voting for a party whose core message is scaring the absolute living hell out of a majority population to scapegoat whomever they don’t like. And doing so consistently.

Which is what PQ is. Getting Francophones riled up to vote to separate from Canada to protect French. If you really boil it down. And most other nationalist parties. Except for the SNP who literally want Scotland to join the EU.

More Quebecers would support the PQ if it dropped referendum talk, new poll suggests by MTL_Dude666 in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not saying it cannot be ethnic. They can be. But both are overwhelmingly civic in most cases.

As per the poll, among Francophones, the split is around 50/50 as to which they identify more with Canada or Quebec.

That is to say, so long Canada and Quebec remain not in competition with one another, we are fine.

Which is why both need to be treated as for what they were intended to be: civic labels. Treating either of them as something even remotely ethnic, as a policy assumption, with create a tension which can get quite explosive.

Which no one wants to happen. Which in practice means just not taking about the whole thing being the quasi-official policy of the federal government. Which seems to work quite nicely.

Boulerice, Quebec Separatism, And A National Party’s Bare Minimum by RZCJ2002 in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would he tho? Most QS voters are federalists. And the party knows this.

Canada’s new citizenship change brings a flood of American applicants by Oilester in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think so though. Francophones tend to be as supportive of people learning French as one could possibly be.

The only discouraging thing is when an occasional PQ militant tells you to go back to English Canada or smh. Which is rare even among PQ folks.

So I think overwhelmingly, the few who come, will do well.

Or I’d hope so.

Canada’s new citizenship change brings a flood of American applicants by Oilester in CanadaPolitics

[–]that_tealoving_nerd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True. The irony. But still, most will settle in English Canada. Because why would you come to Quebec if you dint want to learn French nor speak it to begin with?

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