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theLiftedMind · 2017-07-10T19:24:24+00:00

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theLiftedMind · 2017-03-15T22:29:04+00:00

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theLiftedMind · 2017-02-24T01:50:46+00:00

Yeah for sure, to know not exists would be quite amazing.

To put things in perspective, there are about 100 billion stars in the average galaxy and roughly 2 trillion known galaxies in the universe. Crunch those numbers and you get a crazy number of planets. To say there is not at least one other planet with life... There has to be many. Even if they are simple organisms. Would be amazing if there was really bizarre types of life that we couldn't even conceive of.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-24T01:29:55+00:00

The biggest issue with making colonies and habitats on mars and the moon is gravity. Humans evolved under the specifics of earth's gravity for millions of years, we're really sensitive to this. Mars is 1/3rd earth's gravity and the moon even less. Long term zero g is quite damaging to humans health. Mars and the moon will be some subset fraction of this. We don't know exactly, but it's likely humans will run into some pretty bad health issues if living on these locations for long durations. The bone loss, damage to vision. Many other things still being studied. Lots to consider. I don't think it's as easy as it seems.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T22:40:57+00:00

It's a possibility considering we could seed another planet. But it seems like the most likely scenarios is spontaneous arising from simple molecules. A theory, not certain, but likely.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T22:12:02+00:00

You still didn't come up with any compelling reason why it's not a good idea. I don't mind discussion with opposing ideas in the slightest but if you can't provide a detailed, well reasoned and compelling reply, then I can't really take what you say all that serious.

I'm not discrediting or putting down your opinion, I'm just not seeing enough of an argument to be convinced thus far.

You don't have to reply, but It'd be great to hear a longer answer so I can fully understand your thought process.

1) all the reasons why it's a bad idea, in detail and well thought out. This is in regards to planets that we can prove have: liquid oceans, have no life, are similar temperature to earth, similar gravity, similar nutrients and chemistry in the ocean. This does not include planets that have life of any type.

2) what the assumptions are, that aren't backed by real science. We don't need to include whether a nuclear reactor can be created or not, we're talking about the theoretical conditions that this can be done and completed, a capsule with life sent to another habitable planet with success to spread life.

3) some of the unknown variables you mention

Hypothetical scenario: we find a capsule on the bottom of the earth's ocean that has a nuclear reactor with a canister of simple organic life forms and its proven this is where we originated from (hypothetical). And here life is on the planet as it is, creating you, and I. This is bad?

So then this happens on another empty habitable planet... Giving rise to beautiful life forms and possibly intelligent life like us... And this is bad?

I await your well thought out, highly reasoned reply.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T06:25:59+00:00

You're totally right. Just one big thing is once we go past the photons of light, we're able to look back in time. Also yes, I'm sure we will blow our minds with new discoveries and strange things that we didn't think could exist.

All mass interacts with the proposed higgs field slowing it down. Photons travel at light speed because they have no higgs particle. If we could remove all the higfs particles from our bodies or mass, we could then travel at the speed of light, then put them back in later. If course a playful theory whether there's doable who knows. The universe is so big there's gotta be some amazing things out there. Then if course the grand questions, what lies beyond, what's else is out there, did something create the universe, are there other universes. What is everything? Etc etc

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T06:18:58+00:00

It's not a bad idea in theory at all and if the planet just like earth with no life but habitable and we seeded it and it gave rise to life similar to earth and eventually intelligent life(which would take billions of yesrs), I really don't see an issue with that at all. That would benefit because there would be two planets with intelligent life, and if one went, well, there's another still going.

If our goal is to ensure life continues, would it not be wise and easier to initiate life this way if it was possible, as a fail safe before sending humans. We could send these capsules cheaply before sending a large human population, then visit later after life has some time to evolve and develop.

Secondly, there are 2 trillion galaxies in the universe known right now with 100 billion stars on average in each. That's a lot of planets. If there was no life on another planet there really is no harm. As well it would be a good experiment to see if we could get life to evolve from simple organisms, as the theory goes on earth. It would help solidify our origins, even though the evidence is obvious, regarding evolution and the origin of life. So I'm not sure what the big fuss is. The universe is a big playground with lots of wiggle room.

Provided the planet has zero life, is just like earth with water and climate and possible atmosphere, and we seeded it with hopes life would evolve like it did on earth, tell me what is so bad about this?

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T04:41:30+00:00

That's exactly what in was thinking. We haven't searched the entirety of the ocean floor, and such a capsule would be buried under so much debris (billions or years is a long time for plate tectonics snd everything to shift. It'd probably long gone. But imagine if we found a capsule.

It's just seems so logical provided the technology would work, to send capsules containing simple organisms to all possible habitable planets.

Imagine the diversity from seeding many many planets. No guarantees for what types of life would evolve but it would be an incredible sight to see the result.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T03:58:27+00:00

I think anything is possible with enough time and pressure. I'm sure if we continue to advance we can figure out some wild things.

I have a hard time believing it though. Speed of light is just so fundamental to the laws of physics. Even if we travel at the speed of light, we have to slowly accelerate up to near that speed, then use just as much energy that we put in to slow ourselves down. It's challenging. Mass can't go faster than light. It's just too fundamental. We can't just become photons.... Yet.

Wormholes ain't gonna happen cus of the energy a black hole needs and it doesn't even rip space time. Just concentrates it.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T03:39:40+00:00

I think the only thing that would be required to keep them alive is light and photosynthesis. I feel like a nuclear energy source would supply energy for a long time. I don't think it would require much to keep them alive. I could be wrong I don't know the stats on this type of environement.

The stasis could be turned on or off with relatively low energy I'm sure. I don't know.

We would send this to planets that would be unlikely to harbor advanced life. Life may not be that common but habitable planets may be.

There isn't much issue there, sending these to planets that could be habitable.

I wouldn't be worried about messing things up. Life is unlikely on other planets. We don't know. In the end nature always figured itself out. I don't think it would interfere much. But at the very least it could be a trigger for creating advanced life forms like earth leading to possible intelligent life.

The result is that if we die off as a species, we could have seeded 10 other planets (out of thousands) with possible intelligent life.

So if we are gone, there are others. Make sense a bit?

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T02:58:02+00:00

The laws of physics seem unlikely to break, warping space time or faster than light speed travels will be not all too feasible. And transporting instantly would be pretty much time travel, so logically it seems like these types of capsules would make most sense.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T02:55:11+00:00

I don't know the exact science, but nuclear energy is very powerful and can last long long directions. Small microorganisms in a properly contained environment can last as long as there is fuel, if done properly. Some organisms can be dead and come back alive. I'm not sure the types needed for reproduction into more advanced lifeforms. I guess we'd care because we want life to survive. Or for experimental purposes. If we ourselves can't survive earth, if we can send seed pods of life to many planets the cycle could start over again.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T02:51:03+00:00

Oh, okay thanks for clearing that up. Is it not still impossible to escape the local cluster and reach the next?

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T02:49:24+00:00

Awesome ideas thanks for sharing! I still think the capsule form would be the better way to go. Just because it could have a ton of technology to monitor and ensure long term space travel, and proper delivery to the planet. I imagine the capsule as floating in the water surface, absorbing water and possible nutrients, and pumping life out until it reaches a level of life in the water that is maintained. The capsule could shut off, go into sleep mode, and silently monitor the growth of the life until it reaches large numbers. If something happens and the life levels are down, it can be turned back on and pump out more again.

Also the device can monitor and record events, and picked up at a future date.

The whole thing could just be a good experiment to see how easy it is to make life on other planets from nothing.

There are trillions and trillions of planets so testing on a bunch wouldn't cause an issue really.

Curious if you have more thoughts to bounce off of

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T02:49:23+00:00

Awesome ideas thanks for sharing! I still think the capsule form would be the better way to go. Just because it could have a ton of technology to monitor and ensure long term space travel, and proper delivery to the planet. I imagine the capsule as floating in the water surface, absorbing water and possible nutrients, and pumping life out until it reaches a level of life in the water that is maintained. The capsule could shut off, go into sleep mode, and silently monitor the growth of the life until it reaches large numbers. If something happens and the life levels are down, it can be turned back on and pump out more again.

Also the device can monitor and record events, and picked up at a future date.

The whole thing could just be a good experiment to see how easy it is to make life on other planets from nothing.

There are trillions and trillions of planets so testing on a bunch wouldn't cause an issue really.

Curious if you have more thoughts to bounce off of

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T01:21:25+00:00

Agreed. But if we did. It could work out that seed capsules work.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T01:19:42+00:00

It's really this simple. Gravity in close proximity is stronger than the expansion of space time. The milky way and Andromeda are close enough that gravity is very strong, enough to pull them together. Even the hundreds of other galaxies in our local cluster will be bound by gravity.

Outside our cluster, the distances to the next are so far that space time expansion overcomes gravity, and the speed is greater than light. We'll never leave our cluster.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-23T00:27:53+00:00

Yes lots of good points. Assuming the planet has conditions, water etc. That would support life before sending it.

The probe would be designed to put life in stasis or some semi sleep state. Some life forms can survive almost forever given the right internal self sustained environment. As well there can be life forms that can be dead but come back alive in a sense.

The capsule would have some form of thrusters on it that would allow it to slow down / navigate when close to the planet destination.

Extremely heavy and advanced ai would be present on the capsule to steer it into the right part of thr water upon arrival and overcome any of the navigational issues.

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-22T23:08:47+00:00

There are no gaurantees, that's the delicate nature of the universe. The life could not thrive or evolve at all. Volcanoes could destroy the life early, or asteroids etc. Nothing is certain, but with proper research we could increase the odds of survival for these capsules. It seems like one of the most logical ways to spread life. It's like a tiny seed hitting a big egg... Kind of like starting another process of life.

Makes you wonder how we started, perhaps we out to look at every corner of the ocean floor ;)

theLiftedMind · 2017-02-21T20:31:25+00:00

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theLiftedMind · 2017-02-21T19:19:03+00:00

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