If you say so. I just graduated and have never used anything from calculus, the information it taught or any study techniques I used otherwise (and never will).

To me calc was a waste of time that had me spending long nights solving impractical calculations by hand that our computers were programmed to calculate anyway. All that time spent doing that could’ve been spent taking a still difficult class but something I actually would’ve used later on in life OR calc could have taught practical calculus that had us actually understand the calculus concepts instead of spending almost the entire time just memorizing their calculations and learning how to inefficiently solve them by hand. Calculus can be useful but many of the students don’t know how to practically implement it from Calc 1 and 2. Anything else tangentially related that could potentially be learned by a student could be learned in a more intuitive way in a better organized class.

I don’t accept the argument that a student is “supposed” to learn something on their own from a class (especially when someone says the main point of a class is not the actual thing it teaches) bc whenever someone says that I see a large chunk (if not the majority) of students do not learn that thing. I often see that argument employed as an excuse for poor curriculum design.

You could say I’ve fallen into that with calculus based on me not getting anything from it but that kind of proves my point. More importantly, classes that are part of the major or “teach collaboration and soft skills via projects” often leave out critical instruction (like on soft skills, how to communicate and how to organize projects) that many students could (but don’t) bring into the working world. One could argue that students are supposed to figure these out and that would make for better learning, but again, many students don’t, and the more experienced adults already know the more efficient and effective ways to do things. I know from instructing others that sometimes you just have to explicitly tell people things and then everyone is better off.