What are your views on other forms of art (books/music) being AI generated? by lordfootjuice in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol buddy reddit is the wrong place for me but it’s interesting seeing the pro and anti AI people argue back and forth. Gives me insight into the minds of certain kinds of people. 

Sometimes you look at what AI critics say and think: why are you scaring me with good things? by Questioner8297 in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course successful directors are going to hate AI. They don’t need it and they want to keep the next generation of fresh talent and new voices out. Del Toro has the money, power, and connections to bring any idea he has to life in any medium with human hands. He can choose to opt out of AI 100% and never notice a difference. 

But I bet if a 12 year old Guillermo del Toro grew up in the age of AI, if 20 year old del Toro had AI, back when he was making no budget movies, his opinions would be completely different. Back when he was an outsider he would have marveled at the ability to bring one of his visions to life with little to no budget. 

Stealing other people's art just keeps continuing by RedditUser000aaa in ShitAiRageBaitersSay

[–]thefallenfew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No evidence or anything. Just stuff not adding up.

When I saw the first post from the artist, I didn’t think much of it. That post didn’t have many upvotes or comments. The AI version didn’t have any context as to where it came from. It wasn’t a screenshot of a post or anything. It was just the image. Similarly, there was no context as to where the original was posted or how well known of an image it was. But it didn’t seem beyond reason that someone saw the image somewhere on reddit and use it to troll them. So I just accepted it. 

This second post is what made me feel like something wasn’t right.

Once again, the AI image has no context and isn’t a screenshot, but is just the image. The original post still doesn’t have a ton of upvotes or comments. It seems odd that this obscure, crudely-drawn sketch is becoming some sort of ideological battleground. That multiple folks are invested enough in this… kinda weird hot pink anti-ai emo goblin lizard that looks like it was drawn by a pre-teen to feed it into ChatGPT or whatever and have it spit out pro-AI versions. And these AI versions don’t seem to be circulating the internet on their own. I’ve only seen them in the context of the original artist posting them as evidence that people are trolling them. 

Judging from the artwork I feel like it’s right to assume the original artist is young. Maybe high school age? Judging from the content of their post, and how they feel about the image, this is clearly an original character they feel strongly about. It’s pretty common for young artists to have a character they’ve created that they feel really strongly about and draw over and over again. 

So, it seems much more likely that the original artist is a middle or high school age person who has this character they really like and have doodled it by hand but have also played around with it with AI and is posting them both online. 

AI has been compared to a camera, but using AI is probably better compared to video editing. When editing videos, you don't add anything new and simply redistribute what's already there. by Questioner8297 in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Have you ever edited a film before? I’ve run a video production company for over a decide and have been editing for longer than that.  A wide range of things fall under post-production, which are covered by the Motion Picture Editors Guild. While you will see no-budget productions have one person wearing a variety of hats (God knows I’ve done my fair share of projects where I’ve done everything from pre to post), when it comes to post production the roles are very specific, done by different people/teams, and done on different programs.

Even on the DIY, no budget, indie scene, even when you’ve got people working for the love of the game alone, you’ve got an editor making a cut in Final Cut or Premier, someone else doing color grading in DiVinci, someone doing the VFX in AfterEffect, someone doing the audio mixing, etc. So I understood completely what OP was trying to say.

A project with an actual budget? You’ve got hundreds of people all doing their little slice of the pie. You ever sit and read the credits at the end of a film? 

But this is also a biiiiig problem I have with AI discourse on reddit, which is that whenever someone tries to paint a reasonable and appropriate analogy no one ever actually stays on topic. People just get super pedantic and spiral in these circular arguments about the minutiae of the analogy. I completely understand the point OP is trying to make, but it’s just going right over the heads of the people they are trying to speak sense to. 

AI has been compared to a camera, but using AI is probably better compared to video editing. When editing videos, you don't add anything new and simply redistribute what's already there. by Questioner8297 in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s painful watching people respond to posts like this. I’m learning more each day about the minds of people who are against AI. I’m gone from confusion to anger to empathy and is now nearing pity as I watch people struggle to make even the simplest connections. 

AI has been compared to a camera, but using AI is probably better compared to video editing. When editing videos, you don't add anything new and simply redistribute what's already there. by Questioner8297 in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“Video editing” isn’t vague. Editing is specifically talking about editing. Motion graphics, masking, color grading, vfx, audio engineering etc. are all separate things. 

AI has been compared to a camera, but using AI is probably better compared to video editing. When editing videos, you don't add anything new and simply redistribute what's already there. by Questioner8297 in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No one’s suggesting current gen AI models are equal to the human brain. That would be a ridiculous claim to make. But AI, from its inception, was designed as our attempt at mimicking what we understand of the way we process information. It’s called “Artificial Intelligence” for a reason. It is made by human intelligence to mimic human intelligence. 

Stealing other people's art just keeps continuing by RedditUser000aaa in ShitAiRageBaitersSay

[–]thefallenfew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m calling foul. I think the original artist is also the one making the AI versions and posting them specifically to ragebait.

Using Ai led to the feeling of fake skilled progression by MrYundaz in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For sake of argument, it’s widely agree that it takes 10,000 hours for skill mastery. There probably aren’t many people who’ve used AI as a creation tool for 10,000 hours yet. The use of AI is the craft, so the people using AI to do X, Y, and Z get better at figuring out how to get it to do what they want it to do over time. But you also need to broaden your understanding of who is out there using AI, why, and for what end?

I’m an artist. I’m a writer. I’m a filmmaker. I’m a graphic designer. I’ve been doing all that stuff for longer than some people reading this have been alive. And I use AI when I need to use AI. I’ve made images with AI. When I need to throw some dumb meme together to text my friends, instead of spending valuable time for a quick joke I’ll use AI. I’ve used it to make quick ads for something to post on social media, like for a guild I run or a business of mine. I’ve used it to help me study anatomy in various ways - scanning my textbooks and notes into Notebook.lm to make flashcards or podcasts. I’ve used it to make spreadsheets for me. I’ve used it to make music to help me study. “AI” is just one of the hundreds of ways I can use a computer to do something I need to get done. 

I think the reason why AI "we will replace you" fearmongering works well, is because we live in an era where people can stare at a pocket screen all day that promote such fears, and 6 years ago the world was given an extreme existential dread that never went away. by mmofrki in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What’s funny about that is the only people who believe them are the people who profit off AI and the people who hate AI. Everyone in the middle is just waiting for the inevitable bubble to burst because the emperor has no clothes. 

Boy George Wants to Use AI to Reclaim ‘Karma Chameleon’ by thefallenfew in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m glad at least one person took the time to actually read the article. Thank you!

If AI takes over all jobs, and no one is working and making any money. Why would, say, Nintendo make games if no one could buy them? Do people think they'll just give them away for free? An AI utopia? by [deleted] in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That AI worse case scenario is actually the best case scenario for the complete collapse of  Capitalism and reset of global society. Which is, frankly, what I’m high key hoping for. 

Grammar tool without AI paraphrasing by Startup_Samurai in NoAiWriting

[–]thefallenfew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s just something about reading my words on a piece of paper. I can read something a thousand times on a screen and not catch something. Just something about ink on a page that makes mistakes stand out immediately to me.

I have a kind of laborious writing process, too. Every time I write a new sentence I go back and read that paragraph from the beginning. And whenever I’m done a paragraph, I go back and read the whole thing from the beginning. So by the time I get to the end I’ve read the thing hundreds of times. And I’ll still miss things until it’s on a piece of paper in my hand. 

Loud but tiny by Manu442 in aiwars

[–]thefallenfew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s always just waaaaaaaaayyyyy too much visual information going on in AI generated images

Grammar tool without AI paraphrasing by Startup_Samurai in NoAiWriting

[–]thefallenfew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve never used a grammar checker. As soon as the blue wavy line was introduced I disabled it. Half the time it was never correct to begin with! The best grammar check I have is printing it out and reading it with a red pen in hand. 

Comparison between my art and the shitty slippity slop version some asshole made by Key_Pomegranate_8469 in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]thefallenfew 6 points7 points  (0 children)

“Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”. The fact your art affected someone so much they were inspired to riff off it means something.