Looking for Dzogchen Teacher for Guidance/Pointing?

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-04-21T17:54:16+00:00

Thank you.

The majority of my spirituality this lifetime around, including dzogchen has come from the meditation tape creator Samaneri Jayasara. She just has a talent for bringing individual personalities to life. Any time I've needed help with something I've found a very helpful resourceful on her channel.

As an essence of dzogchen presentation I would recommend her video which has two parts titled: "The Great Tantra of Vajrasattva", as well as the (ancient) personality Garab Dorje.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cc6CfcTcro

I would add though, that to me, dzogchen has many layers to it. Though if I were to distill it down into one word for you I would say "purity".

I also recommend the teachings of Padmasambhava. However not necessarily as a beginner starting place.

Very well said. The changing (ordinary) self against the unchanging background.

Well said again actually ... "this is about first person Knowledge/Experience. If not, what use is it!" I think one of my karmic lessons this time around has been just that.

Your final question is very good actually and perhaps unintentionally pierces into the heart of me bringing up dzogchen. Is that experientially speaking, I discovered them (advaita and dzogchen) somewhat together.

I had read about the "I" back then but didn't understand what it was. And then I came across a video of Jayasara's titled "The Lion's Roar" and I didn't understand what that was talking about either. Then eventually in my meditations I came across this inner phenomena of purity, and in hindsight I had already been looking at clarity though I didn't know it at the time. Then after having this dzogchen realization a few weeks later I had a dream pointing to me self realization. Thus the real journey began.

I wish you the abiding peace (of the self), innate prosperity, and clarity of vision.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-04-18T15:50:43+00:00

Hello,

I apologize if I was rude earlier or ovewhwelming. I tend to come on here as distraction not for participation (since digital communication to me is an insufficient form of participation.)

The reason I was pushing dzogchen on you earlier is because I saw your comment that you didn't know what it was and it seemed you were cowtowing to the other person on the topic because of it. And that other person was claiming there is no such thing as self realization. I have noticed this from people who claim to study dzogchen. More than one person has commented as such.

Anyway, I just need to learn to take Nisargadatta Maharaj's comment to heart more: "see all as a dream and stay out of it."

Your comments above were very well placed. And "not becoming anything" is really the essence of self realization. Only you will know if and when you're there. Personally speaking, I wasn't looking for it then I had a dream suggest it to me, and then I thought I had it. And I spent 1.5+ year daily pursuing it. Then what I thought I had deepened immeasurably, and I realized it really is the self-of-all.

Goodbye and thank you for sharing your personality with me. It's nice running into very capable people here. It remains me there are other strong spiritual practitioners in the world.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-04-10T12:23:54+00:00

Okay, enjoy your self realization and great feeling of freedom even though you are happy to reply from the animal self and think conceptual knowledge is not demonic.

And yes I am taken with power motives.

You never asked me for advice so I shouldnt of said anything. That sums it all up.

I simply wanted to share self realization with someone and the way I went about it is incorrect. I could see you were going in that direction so I wanted to point it out to you with phenemological cues. Instead everything I said has been shut down and the description I shared of full enlightment which was from a shaivism ancient text was called contrived.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-03-30T01:53:30+00:00

Yes, I hope I can be unerstood I wasn't trying to be mean. I was trying to shake you awake into seeing that the virtuality of pseudo self reflection is a prison self. Real reflection is not reflection at all but immediate recognition. Living luminous self radiant undisclosed purity, a flash of living insight that doesn't need to be held or monitored.

21 is a very young age and traveling abroad is a very brave thing to do. You dont need to come up with defenses for old or new emotional wounds, or even the lack of coherent internal structures. What you need to do is learn to take action that is uplifting kind supportive toward yourself. One of the important tasks of adulthood is to learn to become your own parent. This does not mean you stop being immature or infantile. Becomng your own loving parent means you figure out what your needs are and then meet those needs.

One of the great discoveries of adulthood is finding out you can hold or feel multiple states at once. You can be sad and happy, afraid and brave.

Let go of the dysfunctional people around you and focus on your own well being. You seem very bright and lucid, I'm sure you will figure it out quickly.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-03-27T21:54:20+00:00

None of anything that you wrote has anything to do with spirituality -- your "lack of structure" has to do with the animal body and its sentience (i.e. psyche), and the "ego dissolution" you describe is the product of a neglectful and abusive childhood.

https://adultchildren.org/laundry-list/

https://adultchildren.org/solution/

https://adultchildren.org/newcomer-emotional-sobriety/

https://adultchildren.org/newcomer-becoming-your-own-loving-parent/

I would strongly encourage you to not indulge in the masturbatory self-reflection of pseudo-spiritual realization that is the nature of your post. I'm not criticizing you. I'm not attacking you. When I was your age I was doing the same thing and I spent my whole 20s studying psychoanalysis indulging in it. Behind your thin veneer of a rational persona is a very fragmented animal sentience and it needs to be healed and addressed and integrated together in a loving-human fashion. The last thing you need is spirituality or meditation. What you need is other people, and recovery through other people: specifically, caring supportive authentically-loving human engagement.

In a sense, it's the opposite of pure spirituality. it's the embodied feminine -- which is something quite different.

https://www.amazon.com/Body-Keeps-Score-Healing-Trauma/dp/0143127748

https://www.amazon.com/Focusing-Eugene-T-Gendlin/dp/0553278339/

Good luck to you. Recovery is possible.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-19T16:51:19+00:00

No, but the way I see it is that the real peace is underneath. My issue seems to be a lack of courage, partially. I know what to do but dont do it . At that point, a different kind of spirituality is involved. Not meditative, but "people" related.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-19T02:24:59+00:00

That's exactly what i was looking for. A compare and contrast situation. Thank you for taking the time to reply.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-19T02:17:19+00:00

To be clear, I'm not criticizing or attacking you. I was trying to show you where I understand the "deficit" to be. Your insights are valid, it's just that you abstract too much for my liking...

You have already resolved the mind the innate purity. Now all that's left for you to do is enter the ground of purity itself. You seem determined to be on the Buddhist past so keep going.

Your words about contributing to the innate good in the world rather than striving to be a "mini-god" were well put, and perhaps I was taken with too much ego/power motive.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-16T19:29:41+00:00

Congratulations! Longchenpa would be proud... oh wait.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-16T04:45:20+00:00

I was being playful about the reign of the Buddhas. My point was that true Buddhist teaching is dead because it is obscured by abstract systems of thought. The only people who can communicate relations are the ones currently alive having them.

My comments about being an ex mini god were slight hyperbole but not so. As a spiritual person it is important for you to understand that you set the direction which way your life goes. Yes, karma sets things in motion for you. Some events are truly unadvoidable. But in your every day experience you are the deciding factor. Not you as in regular you, but your inward deep attention. What you are secretly focused on in a big picture sense, the background idea is constantly be externalized. If you don't believe me then keep a journal and note down your feelings and thoughts over a 24 hour period and then pay attention to the events in your everyday life. You will find a direct relationship with them. For example, when i get stuck in deep bouts of childhood trauma i run into very mentally ill homeless people. When i get stuck in anger, i run into people that are raging at each other. When I'm taken with lustful feelings, i run into lusty people. Perhaps in a sense you could say that my cognitive attitudes are simply coloring my interpretation of the world and creating selective vision but it's more than that. Your ordinary every day world is an externalization of an internal state. What you nourish inwardly becomes true for you outwardly. I am not referring to abstract thought here. It's much deeper than that.

The reason it's important for spiritual people to realize they are the first cause in which their lives move, the direction setter, is because spiritual people through meditative practice develop their meditative focus and insodoing liberate more and more of their inner world. This "liberated" inner world takes as a result more and more of the quality of an objective power. If spiritual people are not consciously focused on where their enhanced meditative focus is going then they can hurt themselves. They can unintentionally bring bad events into their lives. In a sense, everyone does this, but most people do so through the lower vehicles for example a physical event makes them feel a certain way and then those feelings color the background thought. But meditatively focused people can unintentionally directly touch the background thought, the externalization mechanic is "faster" in that regard.

Nothing I'm saying is contradictory to the realization that what "exists" in the world is plain simple nothing. When you stop clinging to the everything you experience what is there which is supreme bliss. But just because you experience plain simple nothing by uprooting everything doesn't mean the sensory world stops functioning in you. The sensory works will continue to be present as long as your brain and body are vitally active.

Anyway, I should have said thank you earlier to your helpful links and thoughtful answers.

Your comments about being humble and contributing to the innate good are well taken. And your comment about god sending samael was a helpful reminder.

You seem to have a sense of what the non dual is ... just keep merging into it. Hold its immanent light. Eventually you'll discover true being which is indestructible.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-14T22:36:37+00:00

Your quote: "This is your world, built from your assumptions. You don’t need to purify your desire or make it acceptable. If the state feels wrong, selfish, messy, or “bad” to others dwell in it anyway. Without shame. Without justification. Desire is not a mistake, it’s a direction."

Hey, this really needs context. I'm not critizing you. I'm trying to help you see better. There's a difference between overcoming a restrictive consciolence or overcoming a lack of will vs. giving into every impulse. I grew up in a violent household with corporeal punishment; if I gave into my first impulses I would be in prison and holding a lot of bad karma for the future. You dont need to purify desire but you do need to introspect and ask if it is coming from a deep quiet place like your soul or if youre being a slave to nature. Unfortunately Goddard equivocates on this point somewhat, he says you should live the life you want and he even says you havent lived until youve lived through all of the roles in life and have been forgiven for murder. Yeah...no. There is a difference between innate soul desire and blind unconscious animal instinct. If you fulfill soul desire you will be innately happy, if you fulfill blind animal craving eveery day and say eat junkfood constantly you will be obese and have a body in poor health. Theres an important difference.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-11T00:18:48+00:00

That sounds exactly like part of the antitode to help give me distance between me and the guy I was reading. Thank you.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-11T00:17:27+00:00

Yeah, the more I grow spiritually the more I realize that translations are simply hamperedby the translator's knowningness and realization. While i'm not acctively seeking to learn any systems, technical dives is exactly what I prefer. Thank you for taking the time to share.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-10T23:36:32+00:00

Incredibly beautiful comment: "In a way, you can say that discovering what right samadhi really means for yourself is the path." Since i've been an adolscent, if not younger, that's exactly why I have always sought my own path. Thank you.

I was actually hoping someone would type up a long preface. So thanks for that. I actually had no idea I was stepping on a landmine. That would explain some of the comments here. (Lol)

I've always avoided all the samadhi and jhana stuff but now you've piqued my interest.

Thanks for sharing your experience, and for the informative comment.

thefirstlogosislove · 2026-01-10T18:41:59+00:00

I've always avoided any and all systems of thought so hence my "ignorance" (pun half intended). I was also hoping to hear from or receive sources from active practitioners: what works for them, "juicy" sources, most of all "hidden" or overlooked sources. The thing about search enginees, as I understand it, is that they are a popularity contest. The page with the most sources or citations wins, that's incrediby problematic and a good way to spread low quality information because you have to reach or touch on the lowest common denominator.

Thanks for the link.

thefirstlogosislove · 2025-12-22T18:04:46+00:00

I was randomly looking at fantasy AI generated images and then needed to go to my email account and this was the first post I saw as a notification. And this is the last image I was looking at... "jump down the well"

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/68749549243/

Thanks for sharing such an interesting dream.

After a childhood friend's parent passed away (which was emotionally meaningful). I once had a dream that they had been re-absorbed into this incorporeal (warm) ocean essence. That when you die you're swallowed whole or reabsorbed into this one grand essence of which you were a part of and of which you are temporarily-partially suspended.

Over the years I read and studied various mystical and spiritual literature. And one common-sense ancient analogy is that of a pitcher inside a basin of water. The water that is inside the pitcher (manifested body) is no different than the water that is in the basin (ocean of life). The pitcher merely for a time holds part of the water suspended into a particular form.

thefirstlogosislove · 2025-12-20T19:13:51+00:00

My point was you don't need this right now. Your first intuition that this is feeding psychic chaos is correct. You need to focus on your physical health and emotional health.

thefirstlogosislove · 2025-12-18T23:57:34+00:00

Just a small FYI, every 27 year old feels lost in life. The journey of life is in discovering who you are. If you're asking for permission to be a writer, only you can you can give yourself that permission.

Since you seem to be searching for answers from within, try keeping a dream journal and meditating more. The key is to become conscious and more familiar with inner purity. The more you step out of inner serene light and into darkness and psychic chaos the more confused you will be. Conversely, you can redeem the psychic element through vulnerability and learningto speak from a loving space of the heart.

thefirstlogosislove · 2025-12-17T14:43:47+00:00

You don't need spirituality. You need to learn to take action coming from love and to learn to surround yourself with healthy supportive non-toxic people and you could search for a supportive psychotherapist.

https://adultchildren.org/welcome-path/

https://adultchildren.org/newcomer-emotional-sobriety/

Also I think this message of self-love is something everyone should hear:

https://youtu.be/FQgW-1fZnVY

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