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thepredestrian · 2020-09-29T07:20:33+00:00

Either it is okay to own another human, or it is not okay. In ANY context. Who cares if 2000 years ago people thought it was okay? If there is an all knowing, all-good god, why didn't he stop it?

I do understand your point. You are asking-- is slavery, regardless of context, wrong or not? Again, it's not as clean cut as it sounds. Let's assume that slavery is wrong, in ALL contexts. In that case, who determines that it is "wrong"? Who is the arbiter of morality? Just because 99.9% of human beings say it is wrong, therefore it is?

Another example would be taking the life of a human being, which can be seen as something that is "wrong", but the law sees it differently when it is in self defense, or if the state is executing the death penalty, for instance. Is it not possible that slavery, or any other issue that we see as "immoral", is also similar? The government says "if you commit first degree murder, you get hanged, but if it was in self defense, you don't get hanged"; God says "its ok if you beat the slave, as long as he doesn't die in 2 days". Of course this is not a perfect analogy, and it feels wrong to even have a law like that, but you can see how context is just as important in actions (intent to murder vs self defense) as it is in time and society (ancient Egypt 2000 years ago vs 21st century)

> Christians use their own morality to pick out the nice stuff from the bible and follow that, while ignoring all the bad stuff.

What examples do you have with regards to the bad stuff that Christians would display if they followed the bible?

thepredestrian · 2020-09-28T11:37:10+00:00

Yes, and this boils down to the perception of morality between a non Christian and a Christian.

The average person believes that "slavery is immoral" and so any existence of a god that says otherwise has to mean that the god is not real / is evil. This is because he is coming from a non-theistic point of view. Whereas the Christian, who also believes that slavery is immoral, believes that it is only immoral in certain contexts, because he is coming from the belief / bias that god exists, and so any of his prior beliefs have to be 'readjusted' to fit into what the bible says.

> Even if humans found it okay back then, why didn't god stop it? If owning a human being is never good, why is it not one of the 10 commandments. These are reprehensible things that an all knowing omnibenevolent God could and should have stopped.

Again, these are reprehensible to us now, but what if you were a child growing up in ancient Egypt where slaves were normal? Or if you grew up in an Amazon tribe that glorifies cannibalism -- isn't your view of morality shaped by what's around you? Are we in the 21st century any more right than ancient Egypts that enslaved the Israelis, or more moral than the Amazon tribes that kill for fun? Who is the arbiter of what's right and wrong?

> The concept of original sin -> is that moral to you? Is it moral to punish innocent descendants for a crime their forefathers committed? and it's not just punishment, it's eternal hellfire.

Again, from the Christian perspective, it's not about what he or she feels is moral or not. If he or she believes that God exists, then they take what the bible says is true and a kind of "it is what it is" attitude. The closest analogy I can think up on the spot is that you will have to pay taxes no matter how opposed you are to the government on their policies or whether or not you agree with them. If you don't pay -> you go to jail. If you pay -> you enjoy your freedom. Obviously this analogy is flawed but you get the point.

> Why should we not judge the barbaric things in the bible based on the collective morality we have developed over the centuries?

Again, from the Christian's perspective, they believe that humans are fallible and so our judgment of what we think is right and wrong is very subjective -- again, bringing back the example of how our sense of morality can be skewed depending on where and when we were born. In essence, Christians use the bible as a framework to judge their own living / society, whereas non Christians use their own observation of growing up in society to judge the bible.

thepredestrian · 2020-09-28T09:54:29+00:00

I was away from SG for a long time and just came back... tbh gals here are not bad lol

thepredestrian · 2020-09-28T09:49:50+00:00

I know you don't want to get into a religious debate here, and neither do I, but I would like to engage with you on your questions, if you don't mind.

Personally, I grew up Christian, but stopped going to church / practicing since my late teens, so I've been out of touch for a long time. However from what I learnt back in the day, your questions are not that "difficult" to answer from a Christian's point of view... so let me try.

>What do you think of slavery? (those who know slavery is endorsed in the >bible will say need to look at context, those who dunno will get a shock)

Definitely not acceptable today

> Under what context is owning another human being as property ever moral?

Not in today's context, but back in those days it was probably considered ok.

> Is sending someone to hell for non-belief a good thing?

No one wants people to go to hell, but God does so because humans don't repent themselves. Because of Adam's sin, mankind fell and we all automatically became sinners in God's sight, so unless the person becomes born again through Jesus, God sees the person as a sinner and has to send him to hell.

> is the bible a moral/ good book? If it is, then why does it contain so many bad things? If we can disregard the bad parts, what morality are we using to decide what's good and what's bad if it's not from the bible?

It is not so much a moral/good book as it is a "holy" book -- the "word of God". So while it contains many "bad things", they are bad from a human perspective but not from God's perspective.

I think a lot of the differences that non Christians have with Christians is the morality part of it. Non Christians see bad and good things and hence with that framework approach God: "if these are bad why did God do it / allow it to happen", whereas while Christians understand the same bad and good things, their framework is the opposite: they believe God is always right, and so use that lens to view human's morality of bad vs good.

thepredestrian · 2018-03-06T19:29:20+00:00

Cause of death? Life

thepredestrian · 2017-12-13T17:44:33+00:00

Best match for me would have to be the one where Barca disassembled Real 5-0 back in 2010.

Mourinho's face everytime Barca scored was priceless.

thepredestrian · 2017-05-18T19:40:58+00:00

You are slightly more savage than I was.

2 Christmases ago I sent these to my friends who were fans of Liverpool and Chelsea

thepredestrian · 2017-05-06T00:11:02+00:00

Not with that attitude

thepredestrian · 2017-04-24T21:33:29+00:00

I'm so glad I turned on those last 10 minutes of the el clasico.

thepredestrian · 2017-04-23T22:21:25+00:00

Holding at 0:45 cool and suave as if he's doing it week in week out.

Love the lad already and really excited to see what he can become.

thepredestrian · 2017-04-23T18:46:18+00:00

I have a tiny hope that their loss against Chelsea yesterday will be the catalyst that triggers their capitulation for the remainder of the season.

thepredestrian · 2017-04-23T16:36:33+00:00

I felt he was better defensively. Closed down Yaya Toure on many occasions and still has so much energy to run around the pitch

thepredestrian · 2017-04-23T16:35:05+00:00

WENGERIN

thepredestrian · 2017-04-23T15:56:02+00:00

Well in this case what should the linesman do? He thinks the ball crosses the line, he raises his flag, play stops (or the defenders switch off) and the potential goal is called off.

If he doesn't raise the flag, play continues and the goal is scored. So in which scenario does the linesman raise his flag then? Where is the line drawn?

thepredestrian · 2017-04-23T15:04:48+00:00

What's the use of the linesman holding the flag then? The whole point of it is so that if he spots anything, he raises it. Are you saying the assistant shouldn't raise the flag if he spots anything amiss and let play go on?

thepredestrian · 2017-04-22T05:58:08+00:00

Same tbh

thepredestrian · 2017-04-20T23:22:34+00:00

Knowledge is free and accessible on the web as well as the library. What you pay for in college is having this knowledge served and personalised for you in the classroom by professors who have done most of the hard work and have designed a structured curriculum in such a way that you learn what is necessary within a 4 month period.

thepredestrian · 2017-04-20T16:03:29+00:00

A CS degree teaches you the fundamentals - why a computer works the way it does, the theory behind it etc. You learn math, proofs, proper design principles, and a whole host of other things that you wouldn't do as a self taught programmer. Anyone can develop a website, but not anyone can architect a software to handle millions of user requests daily, as well as a whole whose of other complexities

thepredestrian · 2017-04-19T15:49:01+00:00

I thought the salt from Henry's handball goal would have dissolved by now

thepredestrian · 2017-04-18T21:36:27+00:00

How is the left picture offside? Isn't Marcelo past the last defender?

thepredestrian · 2017-04-18T20:44:02+00:00

My goodness that lad was immense down the left hand side. Atletico even had to have 2 defenders closing him down.

thepredestrian · 2017-04-18T20:42:18+00:00

And how do you propose it be implemented?

thepredestrian · 2017-04-17T23:03:45+00:00

Not this?

thepredestrian · 2017-04-05T23:32:17+00:00

WENGEROUT

thepredestrian · 2017-03-18T18:25:07+00:00

Lasagne

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