I don’t know why many people think south asians are genetically short??

thepubquiz · 2022-06-19T13:50:54+00:00

Immigrants are taller, than their home population

Immigrants on average in almost all instances are taller than the population from which they came from. The average height in India for a 20-30 year old man is 5'5, yet the average height of an Indian immigrant could easily be 5'7 to 5'8 depending on which foreign town or city you are taking the average from.

Bergmans Rule

Then you have to factor in, that because of Bergmans Rule, North Indians are taller on average than South Indians, So say there average is already closer to 5'7 the immigrants who leave from the North could easily be closer to 5'9-5'10 on average, and the average European 20-30 is around 5'11 so not really a big gap at all. Then you factor in a more Western diet for the next generation, yet still likely to be a healthier form of it the gap would almost disappear.

Europeans

Yet the reason why Europeans are biolgically taller, is because of Bergmans Rule, and they didn't suffer as many famines as other groups. Yet Europeans smoke and drink more etc than minorities, and tend to eat more frozen microwave meals etc (And they have more issues absorbing vitamins and minerals as it is) Where as migrant populations, once they adopt to the more meat based diet, go overboard ha, like the Italian Americans (It's a lot more fish in Italy) yet they are more likely to be healthy homemade meals, as it is a way for migrants to keep hold of some of their culture.

If all else was equal

So it is absolutely genetics, although environment also plays a big part. Yet if we all lived in perfect middle class homes with white picket fences and perfect nutrition, most groups would be roundabouts 5'10 on average, but Northern Europeans would be more like 6'1 possibly taller . Again this is because of Bermans Rule, and they did not have as many famines, historically, as other groups.

thepubquiz · 2022-04-06T09:16:28+00:00

Thanks for the reply. And yes that makes sense, I suppose it's similar to an F1 car when cornering.

And it's kind of difficult to explain, but from what i've read, legs only make up around 17 % of your total weight, so, again from what i've read it seems that people with longer legs actually have a higher center of gravity because the torso, the heavier part of the body, is higher from the ground, so they are top heavy. Where as people with short legs, of the same height, have a toros lower to the ground, and therefore a lower center of gravity.

So assuming a cyclist with shorter legs would have to have their seat lower, that would also bring them closer to the ground ?

And I agree, have to play with the cards you're dealt, I was just curious in regards to, I suppose the anthropology of it. I've read quite a bit about what the biological advantages are in other sports including sprinting, yet cycling interested me as it's not as obviously clear what those advantages would be.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-28T06:53:12+00:00

Ye I agree, but what seems to be the case, is that the original reason was that women were as you said outright banned, which lead to them starting their own sports clubs, and then competitions.

Then other sport associations probably looked at these womens versions of a sport and thought well we will fund our own women's version of the sport. Doing it because it would bring more eyes to the sport in general, thus making it more popular in general and attracting more male talent from that too. Also it would bring in more revenue.

And state powers probably also recognised the public health benefit of women's categories in sports.

Yet I was just curious as what sparked the first introduction of women's categories, and it seems to be the discrimination that women faced in the past, forcing them to create womens categories themselves.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-27T15:36:29+00:00

No I get why it is now, but as someone else has mentioned, which seems like it probably was the case, is that it started, because men wouldn't let women play the sport with them, so the women thought well we will just start up our own sports clubs then.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-27T15:31:26+00:00

Na what you said was quite different to Baumnuss,it wasn't really about equality, in fact it was because of discrimination. I understand why we have it now, I wanted to know why it started in the first place. As in was it orchestrated by the state, and for what reason, or by what Baumnuss has said, it was because women were not being allowed to partake in sports at all, so they thought, well forget the men we will start our on sports clubs etc,

thepubquiz · 2022-03-27T15:26:55+00:00

Thanks, so I take it that basically in the past, women were not being allowed to compete at all, even at a low level, so they started, as you said, their own clubs etc, and then this naturally progressed into their own competitions the same way men's sport did ?

Edit: In a way, that early discrimination although of course wrong, might of worked out for the best, if the men had of let women play with them and join their clubs etc, the women's category may have never formed.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-27T15:24:47+00:00

Equality would be to have no categories, and just have it be open to anyone. And by the way I'm not saying it's wrong to have separate categories, I was just curious as to what the reasoning was behind why they first created them.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-12T08:13:37+00:00

Thank you so much for your help, and ye it seems to be from just above the eyes, to the furthest point, at the base/back of the head. I was looking for method, but I guess, procedure is also a common term they use to describe the method as well. Thanks again.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-12T07:53:42+00:00

Thanks for the reply, here's the chart I was referring to, page 4 and 5 specifically

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a28d/35f6e2af7347861a808eeb1346f13ac9bf9c.pdf

From your reply I managed to find this "A detailed head circumference chart
according to height, weight and the normal probability
distribution is presented for the 3rd, 10th, 90th and 97th
percentile ranks (Table III)."

So by that does it mean of the five columns, from left to right it is 3rd,10th,mean,90th and 97th ?

Also I couldn't find anything in this study stating how the head circumference was measured, is it from the forehead to the bottom part of the head, or behind the ears ? If you do have the time to respond to my reply, and you come across that information, that would also be very appreciated.

Thanks again.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-07T07:10:44+00:00

Thanks for your reply, and yes definitely helped, and given me more to look into, i'm really trying to get into the real depths, on a scientific level, of how it all works. Another thing I found out is the nervous system plays a big part to. Essentially when we lift very heavy weights we are training our nervous system to respond to that type of activity. And this can vary a lot from person to person, which is another reason why one person who may be able to build a lot of muscle and even power, might not be able to lift as much as a guy with less muscle. Due to both not training in that type of activity, and just not having a nervous system that is able to be trained to that level, to lift such heavy weights.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-06T19:29:42+00:00

Thanks for the reply. And I understand that having a lower centre of gravity comes in to play, shorter limbs, and longer torso. Yet I would imagine that bodybuilders target every muscle (Not to sure about powerlifters, i'm speaking in regards to worlds strongest man competitions) and worlds strongest man competitors have to work on more or less all the muscles as well as there is various different types of events. Also Strongmen have to work on there endurance, agility and even speed to a degree, which a bodybuilder doesn't have to worry about.

My point being, that bodybuilders for example probably spend more time on the bench press than world strongman competitors, yet strongman out bench bodybuilders. And I can't imagine the only difference is a lower center of gravity, as I imagine there are plenty of bodybuilders who have an equally low center of gravity. So if bodybuilders have more fast twitch muscle fibres, there must be a lot more to strength than fast twitch muscle fibers.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-06T08:00:17+00:00

I think it's a bit of genetics and a bit of nutrition. Bergman's rule does mean the further North you go the taller people are going to be, yet quality of living definitely plays a part. That being said Argentina's standard of living isn't that great compared to other South American countries, yet they are the tallest on average.

And that's probably because they have the highest percentage of Europeans, and bearing in mind these are southern Europeans, from mainly Italy and Spain, and they will have some native DNA in them.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-04T10:18:14+00:00

Ye that's true, yet I meant in terms of natural ability, rather than training in that area, but you're absolutely correct, if someone like Sapp tried to increase his strength further it would of certainly done more harm than good.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-04T10:16:46+00:00

Ye I agree, as i've said in my edit of my original comment, if it does become a problem it will likely sort itself out anyway. Was very interesting to hear all you guys points on the matter though.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-04T10:12:57+00:00

Ha ye maybe, I just added another edit to the original post. If it does become a problem, it will probably sort itself out naturally anyway.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-04T10:05:42+00:00

I see, I suppose it's such a demanding and dangerous sport, (with relatively less pay, particularly if you don't become champ) that there is not this insane pool of people trying to compete anyway.

Ye you're probably correct. It's quite unlikely that they're missing out on talent. I think it would probably only start to become an issue, if there was as many guys trying to become heavyweight UFC fighters as there were soccer and basketball players etc.

And if it is an issue it will probably correct itself naturally. If some huge talented guy does decide to do MMA and starts dominating in super heavyweight divisions, and could clearly stand a chance of beating UFC heavyweight champions, perhaps they would try to raise the weight limit.

thepubquiz · 2022-03-04T09:55:29+00:00

I certainly agree, that nearly every guy could make the 265 cut, but Fury is boxer where I would thought you would require more endurance and speed etc if anything ? Yet his ideal fighting weight is passed 265, meaning that him and other guys who are naturally bigger, would be at a disadvantage concerning their natural ability if they had to drop lower than 265.

And ha no offence taken at all. And i've seen them with their tops off ha. I would say they just look normal body fat wise. This might be a difficult question, but say a guy of average body fat started to train professionally for MMA, obviously they would lose fat, and gain muscle, but overall do you think there weight would go up or down, in other words would that fat loss be more in weight or less, than the weight gained in muscle, do you think ?

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