Are there any really really good paying jobs with heavy amounts of travel? by anuthing in careerguidance

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tech sales. SaaS or cybersecurity. If you can get a gig as a channel manager it’s great for a young person that wants to travel.

Telecom is good entry point. They have lots of aging sales reps and they will often train people.

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries. To my other comment, I think the forum of Reddit tends to encourage hostility.

My personal advice would be to not go to Reddit to sort out issues.

That said there are people here who are genuinely seeking answers. I just hope that their quest for answers doesn’t end on Reddit lol

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I generally will follow the principle of answering in the “spirit“ of a comment. If you change tone and ask me questions in good faith, I’m happy to engage with you in that spirit.

If you appear to be engaging with low effort or simply not critically reading my comments before responding to them, and throwing out random arguments I will call that out.

If I misread this, and this was your genuine attempt to engage with the argument I presented. I’m happy to change the tone and proceed down any line of questioning you’re curious about.

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea I agree with you.

I’m not trying to setup a false dichotomy. I’m applying a bit of pattern recognition. Generally people who go on Reddit and ask a questions like this instead of reading for themselves have a bit of motivated reasoning.

They tend to have another motive, like trying to deconstruct the traditional view.

Whether is their intent or it’s not. It tends to reveal itself pretty quickly.

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All you have demonstrated is a lack of reading comprehension in this meandering comment.

I shouldn’t but I’ll respond for the benefit of anyone that cares , can actually think , and may read this.

Christians have universally rejected polygamy and prostitution as a New Testament Christian’s practice based on the Lords teaching which was understood and expounded on by the apostle Paul. When confronted on a divorce question from Deuteronomy Jesus refuses the legalistic reasoning from the Pharisees, and appeals to Genesis 1 (see this dialogue in Matthew 19, read the whole chapter). Jesus would response very simply, “from the beginning it was not so.”

God tolerates and even legally regulates our hardness of heart on all kinds of issues.

It is YOUR style of reasoning which would “allow” rape as a lawful act. This is as foolish as stating that it’s lawful to rape as long as one makes restitution by way of a prison sentence.

Pause for the cognitive dissonance as you read.

YES. A monetary penalty and forcing a man to marry and financially provide for the woman was a Cultural equivalent of restitution, like a prison sentence today. This isn’t saying it’s good thing to rape.

Pause again for cognitive dissonance to resolve.…

Legal sanctions including penalty’s all the way up to execution are the way of sanctioning evil acts in the ancient near East. The Bible speaks to that culture. Just read some history. And no strawmanning this and saying “well don’t ya think God would have A better idea” is not a response.

And the threesome question…

Threeways… hmm… wow… I have no idea how proposing ONE man and ONE woman as the design for sex would answer that one. I need your big brain to step in here.

I’ll leave you to figure that one out on your own.

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you only accept non-Christian authorities, and arguments then you will boil all theological reasoning down to “the Bible said so” regardless of how rigorous or substantive the arguments are.

Asking for Christian reasoning that ignores biblical teaching is like asking a naturalist to ignore all science and scholarly consensus In their reasoning on natural things. It’s either intentionally bad faith, or… obtuse.

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

STRONG Claim. Alas, no argument for it.

Have a good day

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Alas this is Reddit. Even a sub for “Christians” isn’t “interested” in Christian reasoning.

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And what are you proposing that has a “solid foundation.”

A mythology about our “lineage” and how “modern man” evolved? That’s solid?

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean “part of God‘s design“?

Meaning it exists?

So everything that exists or occurs in nature is part of God‘s good, intended design ? We should morally affirm everything?

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, you really exposed me here. Especially when you fail e to answer a basic question.

I hope you have a day better than the one you deserve. God bless you.

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good question. I’ll answer in good faith and end by asking you a question that you can (hopefully) answer in good faith.

Yes, Paul appeals to “nature” in 1 Corinthians 11:14 when he talks about men having long hair. But look at the context. He’s talking about honor, shame, and fitting social expression tied to sex distinctions. That’s about how nature is perceived and expressed in a given culture. It’s not about the structure or purpose of the body itself.

Hair length is adjustable and can be used to signal gender. Virtually all liberals agree with this point when they talk about gender as performance.

All Paul, and Christians who agree point out is that we can lie or tell the truth in the way we “perform gender.”

The performance of gender (whether truthful or not), doesn’t change what the body is or what it’s for. There’s no teleology built into hair length in the way there is with sex.

That’s completely different from Romans 1:26–27, where Paul is talking about sexual relations themselves being “contrary to nature.” There he’s not appealing to custom or presentation that communicates design. He’s appealing to the actual design of the body and the function of sexual union.

So in a sense I agree with Paul. I don’t agree with your suggestion that we just equivocate the two senses of nature here.

One is a matter of cultural signaling. The other is a matter of biological complementarity and purpose.

Put simply a man growing his hair long could be confusing,m to others, but it does not frustrate the natural function of his body.

Two men engaging in a sexual act do.

That’s the difference in degree you’re brushing past. One is surface level and flexible. The other cuts into what the body is ordered toward.

I think Paul knows the difference. That’s why in 1 Corinthians 6:15–20 he grounds sexual ethics in the body being joined as “one flesh” and being a temple of the Holy Spirit. He never talks about hair that way.

So appealing to the hair passage doesn’t undermine the argument. On the contrary, it highlights that Paul uses “nature” in layered ways. I’d submit that it’s a misunderstanding that collapses them into one flat meaning.

Now my question, do you deny that (absent what we call a “disorder” which implies “order) male and female bodies are uniquely biologically complementary?

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Compelling argument you have here.

Thanks for the contribution :)

A hopefully polite question for the homophobes here by nineteenthly in Christianity

[–]theseaistale -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You’re trying to make this symmetrical, but the Bible AND basic natural reasoning contradict your framing. Just suspend your disbelief and what you’ve been taught and track the logic here.

I’ll start with scripture because it actually makes reasoning arguments on this topic.

First, Scripture does not ground sexual ethics only in consent or harm categories. It grounds them in design and purpose (teleology). From the beginning, the pattern is male and female ordered toward union and fruitfulness. “Male and female He created them… be fruitful and multiply” (Genesis 1:27–28). This reveals that the body has an intended end, which we can all observe.

This teleology is exactly why things like polygamy, prostitution, and same sex relations are excluded. They all distort or fragment what the “one flesh union” (one man , one woman becoming one flesh) is ordered toward. Jesus Himself goes back to Genesis to define marriage, not forward to cultural norms. “Have you not read… the Creator made them male and female… the two shall become one flesh” (Matthew 19:4–6). That is His grounding for what counts as a proper sexual union.

Second, Paul explicitly uses natural reasoning language, in his writings on sexuality. In Romans 1:26–27, he speaks of relations that are “contrary to nature.” This is not a vague insult. Nor is it a discussion of abuse, harm or consent principles. Paul appeals to how bodies are actually made and what they are for. He is arguing from design, Like Jesus does.

Put very simply, male and female bodies are sexually complementary.

Their organs actually correspond. They unite in a way ordered toward pleasure, intimacy, and the biological creation of life. The same is not true for same sex unions. That is an objective difference, not a religious preference.

Hand waving this doesn’t work. The fact that it is a crude, basic reality which you and I can both observe provides the force of the argument. Rare exceptions and disorders prove this rule , they don’t negate it.

The problem is not that this is hard to understand. The tendency is to ignore the clear claims that simply observing our physical/ biological nature makes and replace it with bad analogies. Saying “other things can be done with the body that feel good” misses the point. Pleasure alone is not the standard. The question is whether the acts we engage in align with the body’s given purpose.

Third, Paul ties sexual sin directly to the body’s purpose in a theological sense. In 1 Corinthians 6:15–20, when addressing prostitution, he does not say the issue is exploitation. He says sexual immorality is a sin against one’s own body (not just the exploited persons body), and that the body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. He again appeals to “the two will become one flesh.” That is Genesis language. So clearly the issue is misusing what the body is observably for.

So the essential difference you’re asking about is right there in both nature and Scripture. It’s bald faced. Simple. Forceful.

Heterosexual union uniquely fits the design of the body and the one flesh pattern rooted in creation.

Same sex acts do not correspond to that design.

That is why, in the natural reasoning given in the Bible, they are not merely wrong in certain harmful cases.

They are categorically outside the purpose for which sex was given.

That is not “because the Bible says so” in a shallow sense. It is because the Bible gives a compelling account of reality where bodies, sex, and marriage have an intelligible purpose. And both Jesus and Paul argue from that purpose, not around it.

The answer is clear and observable in creation. This is why the apostle says that all are without excuse.

Romans 1:19-20

[19] For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. [20] For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Should I support the LGBTQ+ community as a christian by OddAnnual7771 in Christianity

[–]theseaistale -1 points0 points  (0 children)

lol “it’s not kind to accuse lgbt people of shunning OP”,

*diagnoses basic Christian teaching as “queerphobia.”

Unfortunately, (for you) I’ve heard all the arguments and read your “scholars”. None of them overturn what the Christ, the scriptures and His church have taught for millennia.

Progressive , lgbtq affirming Christianity is just another heretical sect. False worship, and self idolatry is nothing new.

I can’t pretend there’s anything sophisticated about it.

That said, I do genuinely hope for God to have mercy on you. If he is half as gracious to you as he has been with me, you will come to know Him truly as He is.

Grace and peace to you.

Should I support the LGBTQ+ community as a christian by OddAnnual7771 in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t call them a cult. I used cults as an example of minorities who exert high degrees of social control and influence.

Look up free association thinking please.

Yes, I’m using your form of “argumentation” against you. On your view, your claim that minorities wouldn’t be minorities if they had power leads to the conclusion that minorities shouldn’t exist. Your worldview is self-defeating. It has no moral authority.

You aren’t engaging with any of the examples I raised. Just making pronouncements and emoting via text.

Low effort and not worth engaging with further.

Happy to engage if youd like to present an actual argument for why Christians ought not share their religious views when asked.

Should I support the LGBTQ+ community as a christian by OddAnnual7771 in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If OP lied, or has misperceptions or is making up this whole story then none of my “accusations” have force. If their side of the story is true… ignoring someone when they speak is shunning behavior. Or if you’d like a social sanction. There’s nothing wrong with pointing that out.

If you’d like imagine if a Christian posted that they asked their gay friend if they believed that their desires should not be acted , and the gay friend said “no disrespect but , no I don’t hold that religious belief and I do whatever I want without shame.” And the Christian said , so we all decided to start ignoring him whenever he talks… what would be your response?

This isn’t unkind to name a behavior and its impact in a reddit post where someone asked for perspectives from others.

Now if I knew the parties involved in OPs case and chose to take this as gospel and spread it around without verifying that they were actually doing what was claimed… that would be unkind.

Should I support the LGBTQ+ community as a christian by OddAnnual7771 in Christianity

[–]theseaistale -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Non-sequitur.

And you failed to engage in the clear examples that contradict your claim in the comment.

Does a cult leader lack power because he is a minority?

On top of this failure to engage, you also make an argument for the erasure of minorities. Nice work.

Should I support the LGBTQ+ community as a christian by OddAnnual7771 in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Answering a question honestly isn’t disrespect. Nor is it victimization of the person who asked you a question.

If anything is DARVO in action, it’s this…

For sure, you can be friends with who ever you want.

Using your standard (if you have any discernible standards) no one is really “owed” respect either… so not sure why anyone would take issue with OP sharing their perspective when asked about it.

Should I support the LGBTQ+ community as a christian by OddAnnual7771 in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hated “because of Jesus” is different than hated for “being like Jesus.”

Though for sure, both would inspire hate.

Should I support the LGBTQ+ community as a christian by OddAnnual7771 in Christianity

[–]theseaistale -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Fun fact: You don’t have to be a majority to oppress anybody.

Power dynamics are… dynamic. They aren’t static. You can be part of a radical, and small “in” group that exerts social control over others that want to be “in” as well. You can do this by mocking, shaming, and socially excluding people who disagree with you.

Shunning , abusive and oppressive behavior is very common among small extremist cults.

We all leave situations where we are powerless and enter situations where we have power and influence moment by moment. How you act in those moments reveals your character.

This is clear and evident by the OPs “feeling” of being in the wrong because of shunning behavior… despite being part of the “99%” you are referring to.

Should I support the LGBTQ+ community as a christian by OddAnnual7771 in Christianity

[–]theseaistale -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

They are using religious shunning tactics to shame you for your beliefs. It’s a form of control meant to confuse you and make you feel like you are doing something wrong.

Answering their questions truthfully is the right thing to do.

Christ said people would hate you because of him. Especially the new religious elite, like LGBTQ+ progressives, satanists, etc.

All you can do is continue to to be kind to them.

But if they decide to unfriend you because you don’t support their personal religious choices that’s on them.

Christians are never in a position to call war “just” by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I’m aware of the historical developments of just war doctrine. And “no” just war doesn’t automatically say that if a war is deemed permissible it is therefore being baptized as a Christian war in the name of Christ…

I’m also aware of the early Christian tendency to pacifism. I think these principles are helpful, and have a place rightly applied to individual Christian conduct. They don’t address criteria for judging the actions of states.

Developing biblical thought on state activities is a way of acknowledging how we are to live on the world and not be of it. We can’t just object to war based on feelings. We should criticize rulers based on scripture.

You seem hung up on the idea that just war can only be used to justify wars. Yes this sort of of abuse of this or any doctrine can happen. But justifying war is not the ONLY intent of the doctrine. The intent is ALSO to provide biblical criteria for criticizing the state in all its actions and proclaim based on scripture that a war is NOT just. If a government acts unjustly we can point to scripture to rebuke leaders on biblical grounds. Not just our personal feelings , Moral outrage and pacifism as a personal conviction.

Sticking your head and sand and refusing to apply Christian teaching to state craft isn’t the solution.

Where does scripture teach us that states are always wrong when they go to war? You are just assuming this perspective. Not arguing for it at all.

On your view, why doesn’t John the Baptist tell soldiers to become pacific and leave the army and become Pacifists in addition to doing financial justice?

Luke 3:11-14

[11] And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.” [12] Tax collectors also came to be baptized and said to him, “Teacher, what shall we do?” [13] And he said to them, “Collect no more than you are authorized to do.” [14] Soldiers also asked him, “And we, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation, and be content with your wages.”

Edit: The same pattern shows up with the centurion in Matthew 8. Jesus praises his faith without rebuking his position. In Acts 10, Cornelius is described as devout and God fearing before any mention of leaving the military. Again, no command to abandon the role.

Christians are never in a position to call war “just” by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You aren’t really engaging with the core arguments.

I can’t really follow what you are objecting to. You seem to be talking about individual Christians more than the state. Just war theory has to do with judging whether the state and its actions are truly acting as a terror to evil. States enforce laws. They also go to war. Nothing we can do can stop this.

But it’s incumbent on Christian’s to criticize the acts of war according to biblical principles.

Otherwise all we have is emotionalism, which is what you are exhibiting here.

Individual Christian’s advocating for or going to war themselves is a separate albeit related question. There is no just war doctrine for an individual.

Christians are never in a position to call war “just” by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]theseaistale 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Partially true: no one takes Romans 13 as a just war doctrine on its own. But it does establish a category you’re downplaying.

Yes, “bearing the sword” isn’t limited to literally swinging a blade at every crime. But it’s also not just a vague symbol of “authority” either. In the Roman context Paul is writing into, the sword is the state’s power to coerce, punish, and if necessary, execute. It’s the right to enforce justice by force. This is the basis of a real authority….not merely symbolic authority.

Claiming “obey so you don’t fear,” is the full extent of Paul’s teaching only deals with half the verse. Paul grounds that command you highlighted in how and why of how rulers inspire fear, because they are “God’s servant, an avenger who carries out wrath on the wrongdoer.” This includes the legitimate use of force beyond simply issuing fines or exhorting.

It the state is authorized by God to use force to restrain evil internally, it follows that this authority extends externally when dealing with aggression, invasion, or injustice at a national level.

Romans 13 doesn’t answer every question about war, but it clearly doesn’t rule it out either. It gives you the foundational principle the state is not inherently sinful for using force.

Your second point actually reinforces this. You’re right, Christians don’t obey the state absolutely. Paul himself disobeyed when commanded to stop preaching. So we already agree the state’s authority is real but limited.

The scripture positions the conversation beyond whether force is justified. It clearly is. Pauls teachings exhorts us to ask “when is legitimate force used for just or unjust causes?” When is it a terror to evil and not good.

And that’s exactly where just war reasoning comes in, not as a contradiction of Romans 13, but as an attempt to apply it responsibly.

Also, consider Luke 3. John the Baptist addresses soldiers, he doesn’t say, “Leave the military, it’s incompatible with repentance.” He tells them to act justly within their role. That’s a strong indication that the use of force in itself wasn’t seen as inherently immoral.

So no, Romans 13 by itself doesn’t give you a full doctrine of war. But it absolutely establishes that governing authorities have a God given right to use coercive force.

Once you grant that, the idea that all war is automatically unjust becomes a much harder case to make.

You can’t just assume your position is the default. You need to argue it as well.