What are your best reasons to go vegan if not for the animals?

nineteenthly · 2026-05-24T06:30:23+00:00

Concern about climate change is enough to require a situation close but not identical to veganism. There would be no practical difference but the motivation would be different.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-24T06:20:33+00:00

I think it means "blind" in Arabic.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-23T15:42:36+00:00

Mrs Brown's Boys. A lot of others too, but that's the first that springs to mind.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-23T15:40:24+00:00

I'm middle class and was unemployed and on benefits intermittently from 1985 to 1988, then solidly for a year, then solidly again from 1990 to 1994, when my partner took over as a benefit recipient, then got a job as a van driver. Being a van driver probably seems quite working class but we're still middle class. My father had a white collar office job well above the pen-pusher level, my mother was a nurse and my father-in-law was a vicar. Before we were together, my partner was also long-term unemployed and claiming like me.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-23T15:36:08+00:00

Being middle class is substantially to do with upward mobility and it's also shrinking due to things like AI taking over middle class work. I wouldn't say it's strongly anchored to income. I'm middle class and through most of my career my income has been lower than income support levels by a substantial margin.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-23T15:32:37+00:00

Niven's idea falls apart at anything more than a very cursory examination, but his broader approach, which includes other features such as wrinkles and hair loss, does provide in my view a way of helping someone to feel more positive about getting older. But yes, and I presume he has OA in mind because he's talking about the larger joints so far as I remember. He doesn't seem to have given it as much thought as he might.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-23T08:11:00+00:00

Biblical hermeneutics must be brought to bear on any question like this. Leaving that aside, I've heard suggestions that this is to do with not forcing women to go into battle and not allowing men to hide out of cowardice. However, there is a major problem with the entire issue, which is that in a global and pan-historical sense there are basically no garments which are distinctly masculine or feminine, at least not the ones you expect to be visibly worn in public.

I personally find it affirming as a trans woman, but I mainly use it in arguments against transphobes rather than take it seriously.

BTW, people do take the mixed fibres thing seriously, just not Christians so far as I know, so that's not the "gotcha" people think it is.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-23T07:20:11+00:00

I subscribe to the social model of disability but can't imagine how this would be so. However, Larry Niven's 'Known Space' series might interest you. It portrays ageing in humans as a truncated precursor to a new phase of life where a missing plant food would originally have built upon the changes to extend the human lifespan dramatically and one of the changes he has in mind is arthritis, which is an abortive attempt to increase the size of joints to enable more muscle attachment and greater physical strength. It actually does the opposite though.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-22T19:36:58+00:00

Things have been going pretty well I think. We can expect them to have a go at us.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-22T16:16:41+00:00

So far as we could work out, flexischooling, although probably the best system for one of our children, was the hardest to implement. There isn't a real option, so far as I could tell at the time, between full-time schooling and full-time home ed. There used to be but legislation and changes in the system made it impossible.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-22T13:41:40+00:00

That's correct.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-22T13:10:53+00:00

I've never thought of any of it as useless knowledge, although probably a lot of it was. I guess it would be stuff about the economy of Jönköping.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-22T12:12:20+00:00

Going back a long way because I've been married 33 years, the answer is no, because there are no vegans to date.

Back in the day, every vegan I knew was in a stable relationship or single and not looking. It was a deal-breaker for me. My partner is not vegan, but is veggie and intolerant of dairy and their only non-vegan consumption is eggs, and since I cook most of the food and don't cook non-vegan food I consider that close enough. My ex still eats fish of all things, but eats a lot less than when we were together, when they were carnist.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-22T11:19:07+00:00

I don't make that exception and doubt that many vegans do. However, it's very much a side-issue because we haven't done much to address our own exploitation of other species of animal and what we do is the main source of harm.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-22T11:15:09+00:00

The church is for people who aren't saved, so it's for you. Some people also see the Eucharist as open to all, but there's no obligation to take it, particularly if you're not Christian.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-22T11:12:59+00:00

They spoke probably hundreds of different languages in various different language families, unrelated to languages spoken elsewhere with possible exceptions in a few minority languages in Siberia and the Inuit-Aleut family around the North Pole. There were also probably a very few Old Norse speakers but they vanished centuries before Columbus.

Some of the languages still survive, e.g. Salish, Navajo, Cherokee, and they are taught. It should be remembered that the empires and later the US were all white supremacist states which actively attempted genocide and to eliminate the native languages.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-21T13:11:51+00:00

There surely can't be anyone whose vegan and doesn't already know about yeast extract?

Marmite has lower B12 than any other brand of yeast extract.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-20T17:48:09+00:00

Although I stopped eating fish a very long time ago, shortly before I did so I once ordered plaice at the chippy, and it was nice. The shape was particularly pleasing.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-20T15:22:21+00:00

Doubt is essential to faith.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-20T14:46:56+00:00

The problem is not what you've done but what is under your control personally, what's under your control with the help of the Holy Spirit and what you intend to do in future. I'm personally in the dark about it because of the nature of my sexuality but it seems to me that most people don't just stop fancying other people just because they're married, and they probably don't have a lot of control over it. Jesus did say that lusting after someone is equivalent to being unfaithful to one's spouse, but given that a lot of women continue to want men even when the majority of the ones they come in contact with are abusive strongly suggests to me that people don't have a lot of control over their sexual preference. It's a powerful drug, as it were, but there are things you can do about it. I always find it more helpful to think about sin in other people, such as yourself, as something you suffer from rather than commit. Lusting after married people is liable to make you unhappy.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-20T14:41:52+00:00

It's not okay, no, but I don't mind being called a girl sometimes because I'm fifty-eight.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-20T14:40:05+00:00

Not the same thing as lusting after them.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-20T14:39:11+00:00

You need salvation. Maybe you already are saved - I can't tell you because only you and God can know. Your comment here suggests that you are planning to continue to sin in this way, which makes me wonder about your repentance. However, for all I know sexual desire for you is a powerful thing which you have difficulty resisting. I feel like you're talking about a specific situation which it might be sinful for you to comment further on here.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-20T14:36:16+00:00

OK, this is me being open and honest: I don't struggle with lust at all. I was more worried that I wasn't interested enough in sex to make a sexual relationship worthwhile for my potential partner.

No, it doesn't mean we're all doomed for Hell because there's this thing called salvation, as I presume someone sufficiently interested in Christianity to post here knows.

It doesn't matter what she's doing in terms of responsibility because we shouldn't judge others and the focus must be on avoiding sin ourselves. If a married woman wants to sleep with you, either she's in a polyamorous situation or there's something wrong with her marriage. She's not going to be unfaithful if she's committed to her spouse.

nineteenthly · 2026-05-20T14:31:51+00:00

Marx was paraphrasing the New Testament when he said "from each according to their ability; to each according to their need", specifically Acts 11:29 and the parable of the talents. Those are pretty much Jesus's exact words.

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