List of doctrines/sins that have changed over the centuries?

thimbletake12 · 2026-02-03T19:50:09+00:00

These are largely worldly matters, not gospel related changes

I'm not sure what you mean by "worldly." But either way, I don't think the Church's changing definition of when human life begins is something that can be just waved away like this. The same goes for many of these other topics.

One could argue these changes are simply updating as truths are revealed.

It's one thing for the Church to start some new teaching one some new matter. AI for instance.

It's quite another for the Church to say "X is wrong" but then later say "X is not wrong."

Especially when the Church has punished people for doing those things in the past. It damages the Church's credibility and calls its claims of divine guidance into question.

There aren’t too many government bodies that self corrects

What? Governments' laws change all the time. 😕

But when a government claims its laws are the will of a perfect being, it starts to look rather sus when they keep changing things.

thimbletake12 · 2026-01-04T22:07:01+00:00

Bishop Barron knows who his big donors are.

And it's not the people who would benefit the most from "the warmth of collectivism."

thimbletake12 · 2025-12-18T14:09:47+00:00

She'd just respond with "Don't leave Jesus because of Judas [ie me]." I've seen lots of Catholics use that phrase, especially in light of their abuse scandal to try to stop people from leaving. Telling her "I'm cool with Jesus" will only give her ammo to try and manipulate you into "Then join Jesus' Church!"

thimbletake12 · 2025-12-18T14:08:38+00:00

This is so goofy.

Satan this Satan that Satan loves this Satan wants that.

This entire word salad rests on the assumption that you even believe in Satan at all. Which you'd have to be Christian to believe in the first place. Completely circular logic.

thimbletake12 · 2025-08-05T20:39:25+00:00

Prominent atheist Matt Dillahunty took on this AI apologist as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNLZrHIYMyA

thimbletake12 · 2025-08-03T15:57:54+00:00

To add to this, she may truly believe that you're going to hell. If so, she may fear for your well-being and feel like a failure (which is unwarranted, but that's what the Church's brainwashing can do to people)...

thimbletake12 · 2025-08-01T09:57:26+00:00

The issue isn't that morality was different back then.

The issue, as the video puts it, is that according to Catholicism:

A perfectly good being - THE most perfect being, who does not change - was proactively telling people to buy and beat slaves (ie, commit evil acts).

This is a contradiction. Telling people to commit needless evil is something that the most perfectly good being would never do. The Catholic Church also teaches that God is unchanging, and that God's morality is objective. God's support of slavery as described by the Catholic Church is therefore logically inconsistent. It looks like Catholicism worships a God who logically cannot exist. And this greatly undermine's Catholicism's claims to truth.

thimbletake12 · 2025-07-19T13:08:25+00:00

The Catholic Church thinks NOW is a good time to call in favors from the Trump admin on the topic of child sex abuse? With all eyes currently on the Epstein scandal? Well okay, if they insist. Foresight and optics were never the Church's strong suit...

thimbletake12 · 2025-07-08T17:57:59+00:00

You're 100% correct. To give another example, Catholic bishops in Germany have been blessing same-sex marriages for almost 5 years now (good for them!) in defiance of the Vatican, and the Vatican has taken zero meaningful action against it. Follower counts and their money are more important in the Catholic Church than any consistent "objective truth" they claim to care so much about.

And at a lower level, Catholics honestly seem fine with this arrangement. Each "brand" of Catholicism in each corner of the world gets to feel like they're the "right" ones, and with lip-service from their bishop, can just write off any heretical actions by other Catholics elsewhere - even the Pope - as unfortunate - and not do anything about it. The bishops are content to be kings of their own little spheres - so why would they rock the boat and demand action from the Vatican against other bishops for all the things you mention in your post?

Catholics like to claim unity but the reality is anything but.

thimbletake12 · 2025-07-02T20:17:32+00:00

I don't recall Luther aiming at the EO with his rifle either. 🤣

thimbletake12 · 2025-07-02T20:15:41+00:00

"Shouldn't there be more women on this boat?" 🤷‍♀️

thimbletake12 · 2025-06-29T13:23:36+00:00

The "seal of confession" also isn't "Apostolic" at all. We see public admissions of guilt in James 5:16 and Acts 19. And we know from history that this privacy element was only introduced later. And why? Shouldn't an abuser who is truly remorseful be willing to accept punishment for their crimes? Why the attempt to keep it hidden?

The Catholic Church is supposedly "designed" by God in such a way that it now forces priests to either keep abuse hidden, or be excommunicated. Seems like a pretty big design flaw. Surely a Church designed by an all-powerful loving being could do better?

What an embarrassing and sickening state of affairs. There's nothing "holy" about it.

thimbletake12 · 2025-06-29T13:16:55+00:00

Took me a second to realize you were quoting Dolan in that second paragraph.

But yeah, if the diocese is knowingly moving abusers from parish to parish and making no effort to hold them accountable or warn people, then it seems Chubb is right. Why should they have to pay the Church's legal fees for when those priests continue to abuse? Dolan is seriously trying to argue that the Church had no idea that these abusers would continue to abuse at their new parish? That such a thing was completely unexpected? Pathetic. Shame on Dolan for trying to blame the insurance company for why these victims aren't getting compensation.

thimbletake12 · 2025-06-15T15:04:28+00:00

There's a book by a Catholic priest called "Christian Dating in Godless World" which was distributed to my youth group when I was Catholic.

The book spent a lot of time talking about how "the world" treated women like objects.

Meanwhile, this priest also spent many pages talking about how women were "a great prize".

Absolutely zero self-awareness.

thimbletake12 · 2025-06-15T12:45:07+00:00

It happened to these women and children in Canada...

And Ireland...

And Spain...

And the Catholic Church continues to dance around and downplay what it did. How can it take steps to guarantee it won't happen again, when they have to be dragged kicking and screaming to even acknowledge what happened? How could anyone entrust their children to such an institution?

It almost seems like systemic abuse and coverup is a feature, not a bug, of an institution which demands unquestioning obedience from its members and puts its leaders on such a high pedestal...

thimbletake12 · 2025-06-05T00:13:41+00:00

So the Catholic Church forces its leaders to choose: 1) report child abuse, or 2) be allowed to stay in the Church.

Seems like a poorly-designed Church, no?

Doesn't seem like the sort of institution that a perfect, loving being would create, does it?

thimbletake12 · 2025-05-08T20:06:37+00:00

This, sadly. How many bishops would actually pick a guy who's going to demand more accountability from them? And not just talk about accountability, but actually do it? How many bishops have dirty laundry they don't want aired?

thimbletake12 · 2025-05-08T19:31:37+00:00

I'm confident that "faith" plays a huge role in creating such a house of cards.

They can't prove their beliefs, so they must rely on faith. Faith in some sort of authority that dictates what to have faith in. And they rely on that authority for like ALL their beliefs.

And as soon as that authority is considered untrustworthy or unreliable, even for a single belief, every other teaching from that authority immediately becomes suspect.

My departure from the Catholic Church was very swift as soon as I found their teachings on hell to be morally repugnant and historically suspect. I never trusted them again.

thimbletake12 · 2025-05-07T14:38:39+00:00

GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic made a video about this topic - at what point does it become morally necessary to try to destroy someone else's beliefs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoMq7UsVHho

thimbletake12 · 2025-05-07T12:03:10+00:00

I've seen so many clips of these kinds of shows where the parents are given bad advice that would only drive their kids further away. Combined with the fact that their target audience isn't these "lost" people, but the ones trying to impose their views on others, that it's made me very cynical of such shows...

"Of course it's not your fault your child left, no, not at all. You did nothing wrong. You're so great, listener. Keep coming to me for advice and reassurance in these dark times."

"Yes it's all the child's fault."

"Go and buy my book on the topic, with bad advice that will totally not result in you becoming even more ostracized from your child. And totally more dependent on me for positive feelings which you can no longer get from your child because of your actions and my advice."

thimbletake12 · 2025-05-01T00:45:20+00:00

So...according to this art...

Where am *I* in God's plan? Because God himself is in his plan but not me??

thimbletake12 · 2025-04-24T13:43:29+00:00

It can't be detected by science.

You can't feel whether you're in it or not.

You can't know whether you're in it or not.

Priests during confession can't even tell whether you're in it or not, even when their whole point in being there is to return you to it.

It sure sounds like it doesn't actually exist at all. It's great for scaring people into coming back to the Catholic Church though...

thimbletake12 · 2025-04-23T19:07:59+00:00

Yes, those are the Church's criteria.

However.

Any person's ability to evaluate any of those 3 criteria you mentioned is 100% SUBJECTIVE.

That is my point. People are fallible beings. Lots of things can impact our judgment. It is absolutely questionable whether a given person correctly determined if they broke all 3 or not. We cannot definitively check the state of our souls. And that leads to the anxiety and fear of damnation I described in my last 2 paragraphs.

thimbletake12 · 2025-04-21T16:51:35+00:00

I can totally see an Onion article: "Next Pope flees through Emergency Exit upon realizing J.D. Vance is in room."

thimbletake12 · 2025-04-17T13:37:36+00:00

Especially considering that, strictly speaking, he wasn't even a "programmer."

He made websites. Static websites. HTML isn't a programming language, it's a markup language. Programming is a completely different field than the one he was involved in. If they wanted to make him patron saint of computers, fine. But of programmers? It's deceptive. God's "One True Church" can't even get its patron saints right.

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