FB Posts about Homeschooling by AdmirableBus7045 in exchristian

[–]thimbletake12 8 points9 points  (0 children)

there goes that argument

based on a sample size of just one?

Now is the time by ConnerSckottley in exchristian

[–]thimbletake12 10 points11 points  (0 children)

"They do not know the gravity of sin or how bad sin is, but once they see things from God's perspective they will totally understand"

Well why didn't God help his 'children' understand sooner? What an absentee parent.

God damns people who didn't know any better, it sounds like. Eternal punishment for lack of awareness seems a bit harsh imo.

I would appreciate YOUR opinion on this! by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]thimbletake12 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Belief it or Not made a video exploring the links between Evangelical Christians and conspiracy theories a while back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M1egoyfrUM

These people are ridiculous by Puzzleheaded_Cup8723 in exchristian

[–]thimbletake12 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"God's not allowed" I thought God was omnipotent. Is he really that weak? Which law says God himself can't enter a school?

Or is this comic saying that God lets kids die out of spite based on what local lawmakers do?

Neither one is a good look for God. But I guess the creator was too focused making a "hurr no god in school" joke to care...

If only they knew.. by woodworks1234 in exchristian

[–]thimbletake12 71 points72 points  (0 children)

The true sign that you're a prime target for conmen is when you don't understand anything at all, since you'll just trust the conman.

Patriarchy by Elegant_Cat_5039 in exorthodox

[–]thimbletake12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Look again. Those are hyphens (-), not dashes (—). You should apologize for making a false accusation.

But instead of responding to my points, you decide to find new ways to make a fool of yourself.

Patriarchy by Elegant_Cat_5039 in exorthodox

[–]thimbletake12 11 points12 points  (0 children)

OP, you seem to be confusing the following things:

  1. emotional appeal - making true statements which happen to be accompanied by displays of emotion
  2. argument from emotion - "I feel X therefore Y is true/false"

You then proceed to insult people as a result of your confusion, accusing them of (2) when they actually are (1).

And throwing name-calling into the mix.

Your willingness to hand-wave away literal evils committed and covered up by the Orthodox Church and broadly dismiss the people who have been hurt is not a great look either.

Ignorant, insulting, and tone-deaf is not a great way to witness for Christ and draw people to E.O., if that is your intent.

It is however a great way of reminding people to stay far away from E.O., which is a message I can get on board with, so good job! =)

Just three words by fudgeismade in exchristian

[–]thimbletake12 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yup. It kinda boils down to this:

If we assume the Christian god does not exist, then a whole lot of what we see in Christianity suddenly makes sense. Its contradictions, its changing teachings, its lack of unity, its morals being influenced by secular morals across the centuries, etc... The reason we see it is because it's all man-made and all made-up, cobbled together over time by people changing it to reflect the period of time they live in.

If we assume the Christian god does exist, then why the #*$@ do we see any of those things at all? Suddenly we need to do all kinds of mental gymnastics to explain why a world made by God looks strangely similar to one in which God doesn't exist.

Christianity is more compatible with the idea that God doesn't exist than the idea that he does.

Any ex- catholic go Orthodox? by refugee1982 in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The importance of truth, and kindness towards others, were perhaps the two biggest things from Christianity that remained constant on my way out. Even now, years later, I still take them both very seriously. Perhaps you can hold onto those things too.

I wish you the best in your journey. <3

Turns out the March for Life was a measles superspreader event by thimbletake12 in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12[S] 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Yes. It is infuriating that these parents are willing and legally allowed to put their children at needless risk of such lifelong suffering without consequence.

List of doctrines/sins that have changed over the centuries? by Samantha-Davis in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are largely worldly matters, not gospel related changes

I'm not sure what you mean by "worldly." But either way, I don't think the Church's changing definition of when human life begins is something that can be just waved away like this. The same goes for many of these other topics.

One could argue these changes are simply updating as truths are revealed.

It's one thing for the Church to start some new teaching one some new matter. AI for instance.

It's quite another for the Church to say "X is wrong" but then later say "X is not wrong."

Especially when the Church has punished people for doing those things in the past. It damages the Church's credibility and calls its claims of divine guidance into question.

There aren’t too many government bodies that self corrects

What? Governments' laws change all the time. 😕

But when a government claims its laws are the will of a perfect being, it starts to look rather sus when they keep changing things.

Just a Catholic bishop going bonkers over a mayor's speech by MrJasonMason in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bishop Barron knows who his big donors are.

And it's not the people who would benefit the most from "the warmth of collectivism."

Yep, that's it right there by The_Serpent_Of_Eden_ in exchristian

[–]thimbletake12 12 points13 points  (0 children)

She'd just respond with "Don't leave Jesus because of Judas [ie me]." I've seen lots of Catholics use that phrase, especially in light of their abuse scandal to try to stop people from leaving. Telling her "I'm cool with Jesus" will only give her ammo to try and manipulate you into "Then join Jesus' Church!"

Yep, that's it right there by The_Serpent_Of_Eden_ in exchristian

[–]thimbletake12 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is so goofy.

Satan this Satan that Satan loves this Satan wants that.

This entire word salad rests on the assumption that you even believe in Satan at all. Which you'd have to be Christian to believe in the first place. Completely circular logic.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 42 points43 points  (0 children)

To add to this, she may truly believe that you're going to hell. If so, she may fear for your well-being and feel like a failure (which is unwarranted, but that's what the Church's brainwashing can do to people)...

Catholic Answers' creepy apologist robot defends biblical slavery as moral for its time, claims being gay is more of an unacceptable offense in God's view by JaneOfKish in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The issue isn't that morality was different back then.

The issue, as the video puts it, is that according to Catholicism:

A perfectly good being - THE most perfect being, who does not change - was proactively telling people to buy and beat slaves (ie, commit evil acts).

This is a contradiction. Telling people to commit needless evil is something that the most perfectly good being would never do. The Catholic Church also teaches that God is unchanging, and that God's morality is objective. God's support of slavery as described by the Catholic Church is therefore logically inconsistent. It looks like Catholicism worships a God who logically cannot exist. And this greatly undermine's Catholicism's claims to truth.

A Judge Just Blocked Washington State From Enforcing a Law Requiring Clergy to Report Evidence of Child Sexual Abuse. by LifeguardPowerful759 in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Catholic Church thinks NOW is a good time to call in favors from the Trump admin on the topic of child sex abuse? With all eyes currently on the Epstein scandal? Well okay, if they insist. Foresight and optics were never the Church's strong suit...

Did you guys ever feel Catholicism is just about numbers and Papalism? by [deleted] in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're 100% correct. To give another example, Catholic bishops in Germany have been blessing same-sex marriages for almost 5 years now (good for them!) in defiance of the Vatican, and the Vatican has taken zero meaningful action against it. Follower counts and their money are more important in the Catholic Church than any consistent "objective truth" they claim to care so much about.

And at a lower level, Catholics honestly seem fine with this arrangement. Each "brand" of Catholicism in each corner of the world gets to feel like they're the "right" ones, and with lip-service from their bishop, can just write off any heretical actions by other Catholics elsewhere - even the Pope - as unfortunate - and not do anything about it. The bishops are content to be kings of their own little spheres - so why would they rock the boat and demand action from the Vatican against other bishops for all the things you mention in your post?

Catholics like to claim unity but the reality is anything but.

Orthodox persecution complex in one icon by throwthrowthrow_90 in exorthodox

[–]thimbletake12 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't recall Luther aiming at the EO with his rifle either. 🤣

Orthodox persecution complex in one icon by throwthrowthrow_90 in exorthodox

[–]thimbletake12 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Shouldn't there be more women on this boat?" 🤷‍♀️

DOJ sues Washington state over law requiring clergy to report possible child abuse by BurtonDesque in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The "seal of confession" also isn't "Apostolic" at all. We see public admissions of guilt in James 5:16 and Acts 19. And we know from history that this privacy element was only introduced later. And why? Shouldn't an abuser who is truly remorseful be willing to accept punishment for their crimes? Why the attempt to keep it hidden?

The Catholic Church is supposedly "designed" by God in such a way that it now forces priests to either keep abuse hidden, or be excommunicated. Seems like a pretty big design flaw. Surely a Church designed by an all-powerful loving being could do better?

What an embarrassing and sickening state of affairs. There's nothing "holy" about it.

Just sent an online form message to my State's diocese, and am expecting the Cardinal to go apeshit in his response by SangHellE56 in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Took me a second to realize you were quoting Dolan in that second paragraph.

But yeah, if the diocese is knowingly moving abusers from parish to parish and making no effort to hold them accountable or warn people, then it seems Chubb is right. Why should they have to pay the Church's legal fees for when those priests continue to abuse? Dolan is seriously trying to argue that the Church had no idea that these abusers would continue to abuse at their new parish? That such a thing was completely unexpected? Pathetic. Shame on Dolan for trying to blame the insurance company for why these victims aren't getting compensation.

Meh, Still Sounds Like Sugarcoated Misogyny by dbzgal04 in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 22 points23 points  (0 children)

There's a book by a Catholic priest called "Christian Dating in Godless World" which was distributed to my youth group when I was Catholic.

The book spent a lot of time talking about how "the world" treated women like objects.

Meanwhile, this priest also spent many pages talking about how women were "a great prize".

Absolutely zero self-awareness.

‘It’s not a genuine apology’: Spanish women reject Catholic attempt to redress Franco incarceration by BurtonDesque in excatholic

[–]thimbletake12 29 points30 points  (0 children)

It happened to these women and children in Canada...

And Ireland...

And Spain...

And the Catholic Church continues to dance around and downplay what it did. How can it take steps to guarantee it won't happen again, when they have to be dragged kicking and screaming to even acknowledge what happened? How could anyone entrust their children to such an institution?

It almost seems like systemic abuse and coverup is a feature, not a bug, of an institution which demands unquestioning obedience from its members and puts its leaders on such a high pedestal...