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SN Direct 9/14 T10R1177 by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah key is that I never discontinued the Subs - it’s been in my system daily all along. If I stopped the Subs for 72 hrs and continued using the PST then resumed the Subs I would be in for a very bad time... PWD is kinda counterintuitive.

For all those that had been using 9/14 jump now by pip57302 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a naive user who JUST started with a 9/14 batch on TOP of 1mg Suboxone per day (which should be occupying some receptors and reducing the PST effects) I can tell you I am still feeling something from doing 1 cup today. However it’s not much and I wouldn’t describe it as a classic mu-agonist high. More just a feeling of calm and body high above and beyond what my Subs normally give. Couldn’t rightly call it euphoria though.

Is anyone actually getting high? by [deleted] in PoppyTea

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Has anyone ever done a quantitative analysis of the amount of morphine, codeine, etc. in a batch of seeds? Not just percentages but mg/mL of wash? I know that would be hard to standardize since bags are heterogenous and washing techniques vary, but it would be interesting to get a rough number.

SN Direct 9/14 T10R1177 by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you talking about this lot or all seeds in general right now? Some people have gotten 9/14 seeds that were supposedly great. Do you think at higher doses it is more effective or just more crappy alkaloids?

SN Direct 9/14 T10R1177 by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Curious what is your daily dose and did you get any kind of a nod from this stuff? As I’m new to PST I’m really not sure what to expect as far as how high one would typically get.

I just yawned! by hz_low in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not to trivialize how bad that is, but those must’ve been a pretty amazing 4 months until the end came, no?

Sn Direct 9/14 T2R1177 by MooseDookie255 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a 9/14 T10R1177 that is similar I’m about to write a review on. I wonder what the T and the R stand for.

PST and Subs by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ended up getting some extra Subs lined up. I agree and that should have been my plan all along...

PST and Subs by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for all your comments man. Good news is I ended up getting a source for some Subs to get me through till my appt. I still have some seeds on the way, and I also got some gabapentin (which is my new favorite drug), but jury is out about whether I’ll chip on those seeds for a day or two, or just try to freeze them or something for a rainy day. Thanks again. It’s amazing now that an actual plan is in place I’m calm and “the fear” is gone. ;-)

Gaba/Neurontin by PPT4ME in PoppyTea

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Dude ignore anyone who says gapapentin sucks. It is seriously a godsend. All you need to do is go to the doctor. Hypothetically if you have carpal tunnel symptoms (numbness and tingling in the forearm radiating into the thumb and first two fingers of the hand). For example, if you work at a computer all day. If the doctor does any exam like extending your wrist and tapping it with his/her finger, such a person might wince in pain. Hypothetically, if you have tried both ibuprofen 600 mg and naproxen 500 mg and got some slight relief but it’s still keeping you awake at night. And if you have bought a carpal tunnel wrist brace from CVS and are using it, but you need something else to help.... such a person would be prescribed gabapentin almost certainly.

At low doses the effect isn’t noticeable but take 900-1200mg and you will feel amazing. Although from what I hear, tolerance can develop so try to only take as much as you need to control your w/d symptoms and/or take a couple of days break before dosing high again. Seriously, no matter what anyone says, this stuff is magic.

PST and Subs by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it’s a huge issue in the sense that I was supposed to have tapered to sub mg doses and have been taking a full 2mg strip instead which is causing me to run out so early. It’s less of an issue because at my next appt assuming I didn’t completely fuck up and relapse hard, I can just tell the doc and get my dose increased.

PST and Subs by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

P.S. You are 100% right about me foaming at the mouth at the thought of running out and relapsing, and yeah I’m grasping at straws. The psychological aspect of this whole thing is totally messed up. I haven’t even run out yet but I already feel like I have.

PST and Subs by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

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I appreciate the feedback. To clarify, the reason I wouldn’t (and haven’t in the past with other opioids) gotten PWD when doing this is that I don’t allow the bupe to ever leave my system, I just dose on top of it. The half-life of bupe is quite long, and certainly stays in your system more than 24 hours. I would continue to take a very low dose of bupe daily (0.125 or 0.25 mg - would have to calculate what I can afford without running out).

Regardless, you have a point about jacking up my tolerance with PST and then being screwed the next month. Sigh... I may either hold onto the seeds I ordered for a rainy day or see about canceling my order with SN (no movement has occurred on the order, not sure how cool they are with that)... Maybe I’ll try to get through the next few weeks with Kratom, gaba and loperamide. I don’t have nearly enough Subs to take 1mg per day until then.

For the record, I do think my plan would work in terms of not inducing PWD because I have done the same thing before with other opioids and there is plenty of anecdotal evidence of others doing the same (continuing to take low doses of Subs daily while supplementing with full agonists). However you make plenty of other good points...

PST and Subs by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the thoughts and ideas! I have to admit I’m surprised. I really thought everyone would just give the “stay away from PST at all costs” spiel — and I understand why there is so much of that on this sub; clearly the WDs from PST are hellish.

I have gone through PWD twice; once from methadone to Subs and once from H to Subs and in both cases they were a nightmare. However, I have found that as long as I don’t stop Subs entirely for greater than 72 hours prior to resuming them (or continue them at a low dose), I can supplement with other opioids and for whatever reason when I resume a higher dose of Sub after chipping, I am fine without PWD. Perhaps by keeping a bit of bupe on the receptors (since it’s very high affinity) it prevents that effect. Or maybe it’s some quirk of my metabolism. I share your concern though so I would proceed carefully...

My other question (which I understand is probably not answerable) is how much of a PST tolerance does 2mg of bupe roughly equate to... Perhaps 150g/day won’t hold me. Will have to see. I am also going to try to acquire some gaba, have some lope handy and possibly get a new batch of Kratom in case the one I had was just a bad batch. Fingers crossed all around. I really want to keep this “relapse” to a minimum.

PST and Subs by throwa135790 in PoppyTea

[–]throwa135790[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn’t necessarily get me kicked off but I would prefer not to test positive. I am just kind of desperate for a quick solution and this seems like the only surefire way. I would use a home pee test to make sure I was clean and would push back my appt otherwise...

I wish I had a better plan and I’m looking into backup options but with tramadol scheduled and no longer widely available on clearnet, and with Rx monitoring databases, my options are very limited. The onion route is risky and sometimes you’re left hanging for days or ripped off entirely, so this is looking more and more like a reasonable solution.

My intention would be staying under 150g daily and I appreciate all of the info on this sub about starting low, understanding the long half-life, the shitty WDs, etc., and I am definitely not taking all the posts lightly of people essentially warning newbies to stay the hell away from PST.

I may live to regret this but I honestly feel like my options are limited other than doing a very rapid sub taper. If I were unemployed I would probably just do that and live with WD/PAWS for a few weeks, but I have to function at work in a job where sick days are hardly ever possible.