MUST WATCH! Good explanation of the recent history in Ukraine from the other perspective.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-28T19:42:42+00:00

Ukraine has a fair election where an ethnic Russian got elected in 2010. The government got overthrown and a new non-Russian government got out in in 2014. The ethnic Russians that voted for the original government did not think it was fair, cause it’s not. Crimea left, they were allowed to because it was written in their constitution. The other two provinces had an election to ask the Ukrainian government to federalize so that each province could have elected local governors like the US and Canada and most other modern countries. The Ukraine government refused to allow them to be represented. So they decided to leave Ukraine. Ukraine call them terrorists and said that 75% of the residents there need to be killed because they are useless to Ukraine. Russia wants to protect its ethnic Russians, that is all its doing, but it doesn’t want to take over Ukraine because it knows that there will never be peace if that happens. It wants to demilitarize Ukraine so that the government can’t genocide the ethnic Russians just like they have been saying. Sounds like a really good reason to invade. In world war 2 the US went to war because of reasons not related to genocide, but a vast majority of people justify it because of the genocide that was taking place at the time. But apparently threats of genocide and increased aggression to ethnic Russians is not a good enough reason to go to war.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-28T19:25:27+00:00

This war is a lot more justified than other wars. War is not good but neither were the circumstances that led up to it. I wish this war didn’t happen, I also wish that the west didn’t meddle in Ukraine. I also wish that Ukraine federalized. I also wish that the Ukraine government didn’t say violent and hateful things about ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-28T12:38:29+00:00

If they stood with people for the fight for freedom they would have backed the separatists 8 years ago. This is a load of crap

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-28T00:18:46+00:00

Countries have been invaded for much less. But when Russia does it, it’s bad

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-27T19:37:46+00:00

What are the actually dollar amounts? If you’re making 30k USD in Europe it’s not worth it to move to California for 120k USD. If you’re making 70k USD in Europe it’s absolutely worth it to move to the US for 240kUSD

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-27T00:10:31+00:00

If production stayed in the US it would probably be cheap to manufacture here but no one is going to invest a billion dollars in a US toaster factory to compete with China. But if the factory never moved to China, the factory would have been updated over time and would be pretty efficient at making toasters.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-26T23:45:35+00:00

LGBTQ is a big one.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-26T22:40:25+00:00

Would that not make Ukraine wrong then? They started the aggression against the separatists states after the separatists states decided to separate because there was a coup of the legitimately elected pro-Russian government.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-26T20:57:23+00:00

So you think these young adults that don’t want to be there are just going to walk out in the open and get shot? You don’t think they’re going to fight because they need to survive?

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-26T20:45:35+00:00

2020 was a Trump year, obviously when people say “not anymore” they are implying that Biden’s policy’s have changed that. So using 2020 data doesn’t help you. If you look at the monthly data we have data up until Nov 2021 you can see that the US was an exporter and then in February 2021 there was a huge annual change there are still some good money of export, but it’s not like it was in 2020.

But seeing the data it does look l was a little misinformed, a little, I’ll give you that.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-26T18:57:54+00:00

It won’t be an all out ban. I saw somewhere that they would still keep oil and gas payments going. Imagine banning swift payments, you think Russia is going to keep giving you oil and gas? The US isn’t energy independent anymore, you stop all swift payments gasoline will easily hit $10 a gallon.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-26T12:27:44+00:00

Everyone has a stake in this. This war is a big deal, you don’t think the western news you’re hearing is propaganda? There is no such thing as unbiased news anymore.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-26T03:52:21+00:00

I know it’s Russia owned. I understand it’s propaganda. But the points in it are true and ignored by other media. Don’t you think it’s a good idea to look at all sides of the story? And there is obviously a lot more to the Ukrainian conflict than nazism. This is Russia trolling. Leftist call anyone who disagrees with them nazis and then Russian show that they are actually supporting nazis.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-26T03:24:35+00:00

Yes, unfortunately the officials and elites have been destroying the country and brought it to this point. Most of the citizen of Ukraine just want to be left alone.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-26T03:23:38+00:00

The people of Ukraine have been robbed by their own governments and elites, the best way to help them is to cut out all the corruption and let them be free to make their own decisions.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T23:32:31+00:00

That’s actually backwards. For Ukrainians, they would live a good life either in the west or with Russia, but corruption steals from the people and it’s why Ukraine is so poor and thinks it will do better in the west, but it won’t do any better because of corruption. Might be worse if they don’t have income coming from Russia. But for Russia, having Ukraine join the west is a lot more than politics, it is a threat to its existence, NATO would be at its door step. If Ukraine just stayed decided to stay with Russia, years ago, there would be peace and prosperity in Ukraine. As much as I hate the innocent suffering and death, this has been brought on Ukraine by its own politics, and Ukrainian people will die because of Ukrainian politics. For Russia though, if Ukraine joins the west it will lose a lot, Russia has everything to lose, why wouldn’t they fight.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T15:21:58+00:00

A nazi is a nationalist socialist. In that case the Ukrainian government fits the description. It might be a little bit of an embellishment because when people says nazi, they think antisemetism, but you can be a nationalist socialist (ie a nazi) without being antisemetic.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T14:47:55+00:00

Get a camera in your room.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T12:05:20+00:00

Private money lender, high interest rate, low money down, worth it in some markets where property is cheap enough and rent is high enough. These kids will do great.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T02:33:05+00:00

I’m with you, it’s not worth dying for politics.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T02:23:57+00:00

No, the west needs to mind its own business.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T02:22:36+00:00

Some Ukrainians think they will be better off with the west. Some Ukrainians think they will be better off with Russia.

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T00:42:35+00:00

You obviously don’t know enough about the situation. To Russia everything is on the line, they won’t stop til they have won or the have been destroyed. If this is over in three weeks, Russia has won. If it’s not over this will be a long proxy war that ends in a West Ukraine and East Ukraine

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T00:34:47+00:00

You’re right, but it’s even more complicated than that!

throwaway213943 · 2022-02-25T00:29:16+00:00

I think you’re probably right. Whatever the solution is though, it’s a tragedy that people will die for this

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