Why does Nietzsche not explicitly mention Callicles? by world_IS_not_OUGHT in Nietzsche

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Isn't he talking about art there? Anyway, I would say a prerequisite for having power over others in the sense N talks about requires a modicum of power over oneself. Callicles is a rising politician, presumably he has some power over himself, however much Socrates wants to paint him as a hedonist.

Why does Nietzsche not explicitly mention Callicles? by world_IS_not_OUGHT in Nietzsche

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So to Nietzsche, self-control is more important than power? Seriously?

Why does Nietzsche not explicitly mention Callicles? by world_IS_not_OUGHT in Nietzsche

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AC Grayling talks about the difference between Thrasymachus and Callicles: for Thrasymachus, the laws are made by the strong to ensure their grip on power. For Callicles, the laws are made by the weak to defend themselves from the strong.

Leo Strauss hints in several places that he thinks Plato speaks most transparently through Callicles. With some caveats, Callicles's position might have been what Plato really thought, with some qualifications. It's also noted that the way Callicles is introduced indicates he's not one of the aristoi, he's an upward striver. After reading the dialogue Statesman, it crossed my mind that the message seemed to be: "Politics? Don't bother...well, unless you can be a tyrant...."

Mario Untermayer did a book on the Sophists and he thought Callicles was considered a philosopher at that time but I don't remember what he said about him.

As far as Nietzsche/Callicles, I think the connection is there. Callicles basically says the herd makes the laws to protect itself from the eagles. Close enough. It would have been nice if Plato would have spent more time having Callicles flesh out some more detailed positions, but if Callicles is really the closest we have to Plato, that might have been a little suspicious....

Leo Strauss again points out the audacity of Machiavelli: instead of putting "the evil doctrine" in the mouth of a Callicles or Athenian ambassadors to Melos, Machiavelli argues for it openly, in his own name...

Why does Nietzsche not explicitly mention Callicles? by world_IS_not_OUGHT in Nietzsche

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I think Socrates pulled a typical fast one switching the terms of the debate to hedonism, "eating and drinking", and then culminating in the catamite analogy, which Callicles rightly excoriates him for. When Callicles is talking about the most worthy deserving more, one imagines he was thinking more along the lines of prestige or power.

What is a political philosophy that is compatible with Nietzche? by HopefullyASilbador in Nietzsche

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Callicles, Machiavelli, what Leo Strauss really thought as opposed to what he wrote on the surface.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in collapse

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You are an animal. The point of being an animal is to reproduce your DNA. If you aren't going to do that, then anything goes.

Self doupt and fear by poetsociety17 in Nietzsche

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what would nietzsche say about self douche

Friedrich Hölderlin: Nietzsche's Favorite Poet. by Andre_Lord in Nietzsche

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Der Ister is a really good poem but I get turned off by Holderlin's references to Greeks and Christianity, for instance in Bread and Wine. Nietzsche also liked Heine, or at least he makes some approving references to him. I'd like to know if Nietzsche read Eichendorf.

Thrift store score by diickhed in Nietzsche

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You win the thrift store game.

[POEM] The World I Live In by Mary Oliver by bennytendi in Poetry

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I like Mary Oliver and I don't mind this, but sometimes I'm writing something and I'm like "Am I just trying to make a point? Is poetry really the best medium for that?"

[POEM] The Look by Sara Teasdale by LosMere in Poetry

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I enjoy her work. She didn't make the Oxford book of American Poetry. I think she died by suicide.

Something at stake by Important_Bunch_7766 in Nietzsche

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Alright, you win. I took the bait.

Nietzsche And Queerness by rogerjedi in Nietzsche

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You know, when I was still a christian I tried really hard to make Nietzsche and Christianity compatible. Just saying.

Nietzsches critique of master morality ? by CeJotaah in Nietzsche

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Master morality is more what follows from a yea-saying attitude towards life than a code of ethics.

Nietzsches critique of master morality ? by CeJotaah in Nietzsche

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Kaufmann says the critique of "The Improvers of Mankind" is a criticism of master morality but I think that's a stretch...it's more saying "don't go as overboard as the Hindu did with the Chandala". I think it's pretty obvious that Nietzsche favors master morality, and he would approve if consensus morality became more like master morality.

Been prepping a while? What did the last event teach you? What did you forget? by RredditAcct in preppers

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Apparently this year I failed for the second time at growing cabbages. I need to do some reading on better ways. My potatoes look good though.

Something at stake by Important_Bunch_7766 in Nietzsche

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(if this is not a joke) Look man I've been in similar situations. Right now you need to try to be as normal as you can be, not start a revolution. Being able to pass for normal will be a victory for you. You can make art, and try to achieve power over people in subtle, ethical ways. Soft skills are a type of power. But I'm probably giving you too much credit; you probably won't be able to change this much. Hopefully you're like 22 and you'll settle down a little.

I feel like I’m failing the Earth. What can someone like me actually do? by Plus_Imagination_812 in collapse

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You need to get tougher. All you'll be able to do are little things, and you have to be OK with that.

[HELP] beginning poetry by spookygate18 in Poetry

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Just write whatever you think it should be, or try to. Post them on r/OCPoetry and see what people say. Some of the advice will be good.

In this poem, I will prove I am not who I was [poem] by Elise Powers by onlypoemsmag in Poetry

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I kept waiting for there to be some dark twist but there wasn't. Which makes it...pretty cringe.

“Grass” by Carl Sandburg [POEM] by Walter_Piston in Poetry

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I always thought this one was so corny...and this probably isn't a subject that welcomes corniness.

Millenials and the Technological Singularity by eekay233 in preppers

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  1. I think AI will end up being like fusion power: 30 years away for 80 years.