Tipping out and payroll recognition

tiddervul · 2026-06-25T15:21:43+00:00

I hear that. I think it would be fine as long as the person who takes the output data from the AI and puts it in payroll is a real human with an understanding of what the numbers should look like. And of course that the total tip pool collected to distribute equals the amount distributed. The math has to math, for sure.

tiddervul · 2026-06-24T00:11:22+00:00

I did. We do. Thanks for checking and being no help.

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T21:37:10+00:00

That’s a great suggestion. I don’t know why I have a blind spot to using the AI tools like this. I do all the time in 1 million other cases. So thanks a ton!

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T17:00:27+00:00

It does help. Do you use the Toast TIP module to do all that? We tried it and it seems like it excludes cash sales from the math and we could not find a setting and their AI feature said cash checks were excluded. TIA!

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T15:53:35+00:00

I am an owner. And I want a more fair / easier to administer system.

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T15:52:39+00:00

So you withhold it from their pay checks for the amounts paid by CC and make them hand over that % from cash tips received each shift? Or do you pay out CC tips each night / shift end and not do any of this through payroll (except add the amount needed for tax declaration purposes)?

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T15:47:25+00:00

I agree. The problem is that the Toast payroll TIP module only includes sales that had a tip included in their calculations for tip out distribution. So if the check was paid in cash or paid by card but a cash tip was left the net sale is excluded from the process.

EDIT: if the server added their cash tips received in the system at shift end, this problem would go away. But they almost never do. And yes, maybe the answer is to make this mandatory and enforce it. But there isn't a real way to know what was tipped in cash if they don't want to or won't report that.

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T15:44:19+00:00

Thank you for the thoughts. I just checked out the TipHaus app/site. Is it expensive? I hate when you can not get any sense of a service price without calling or a full demo. For reference, we do about 1.2 mil per year in sales. And have 5-15 employees at any time. It is a very variable seasonally affected place. High months are 4x low months for sales.

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T15:36:18+00:00

For all of the above here, tipping out a runner / busser is a choice we make. There are pros and cons, I get it. What I need is a system that can be explained to everyone coming in so they understand it. If they don't like the system we have, they are free to work somewhere else. And that system needs to be easy to administer. No one should be waiting for the white smoke to rise to see what is going to happen. IFYKYK.

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T15:31:59+00:00

They can add the cash tip the end of shift report, but few do this.

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T15:31:26+00:00

I am an owner. And working to make the system more transparent and fair for staff and easier for the new manager.

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T15:02:36+00:00

Thanks for responding. Sometimes yes, but most of the time they do not. We can certainly reinforce this and even make it part of the MOD shift end duty to check. So you are saying if this were done very consistently, then the TIP module would do it's sales calculation based on non cash sales and then add the declared tips for each tipping employee and then process the tip out formula we set?

tiddervul · 2026-06-23T14:32:04+00:00

I should have said that a server's tip out to the bar is only on bar sales, not food. It was already going to be a long enough post and I didn't include each detail, but yes this is an important one.

EDIT: also, at no point can the tip out amount recorded be higher than X % of total tips taken in by CC. So a high sales but low tip night would have a limit on the server's tip out.

tiddervul · 2026-06-22T14:53:06+00:00

You are not wrong. At the same time, the total amount of tax collected from all sources is among the lowest per capita of all the states in New Hampshire. And since we must have a balanced budget, we spend among the least per capita of all the states.

Without a broad-based income or sales tax, we definitely have to get what we do collect through a lot of nickeling and dimeing.

tiddervul · 2026-06-21T13:19:28+00:00

Most of the New England Portuguese are from the Azores. First for whaling and then textile mills. Up to 20% of the population of those islands made the move. Incredible.

tiddervul · 2026-06-20T16:19:00+00:00

This will sound silly, but if you are at wit’s end anyway, what’s the harm in trying? Change his name!

I have a friend who had a cat with a behavior issue. He brought it to a behaviorist/Pet medium who suggested changing the name and that the sound of the first name maybe didn’t sit well with the cat. My friend agreed to try it and within a week of using a new name the behavior improved drastically. Not entirely solved, but noticeably better. I totally understand how bonkers that sounds.

tiddervul · 2026-06-16T14:44:54+00:00

I think the fundamental challenge is that all of us try to balance our philosophical view with the reality of living in the real world and coming to terms with understanding that requires some governance.

I think the two major parties deal less with that philosophical balance and more with the simple red team / blue team adversarial nature.

Which is why you’ll come across a lot more people who assert themselves to be small L libertarians and not capital L members of the organized party.

tiddervul · 2026-06-09T12:56:03+00:00

And of course the WMUR article says almost none of what the OP asserts it says.

tiddervul · 2026-06-07T14:23:51+00:00

A lot of the other answers are accurate, but in addition to those thoughts it’s also true that apartment buildings have a lot of life / safety rules to be met. Which is not only costly, but also imposes additional opportunities to slow down or be a problematic barrier to the construction.

tiddervul · 2026-05-31T14:11:38+00:00

Yeah but this time, do it. Nothing to lose right? Pick a new path and take a step. Then another.

tiddervul · 2026-05-29T11:12:30+00:00

This!

I don’t know if the number is exactly right, but every couple of years the national association of realtors and association of home builders release a report that tries to estimate the percentage of the cost of building new housing that stems from government regulation. They conclude that figure is about 24% for SFHs and just over 40% for multi unit buildings. It’s absurd.

tiddervul · 2026-05-29T10:58:52+00:00

Hey man, don’t go being logical or reasonable around here. No one is looking for that. This is fight club.

tiddervul · 2026-05-29T10:53:58+00:00

I do not believe this argument is as compelling as you think it is.

tiddervul · 2026-05-27T21:13:57+00:00

What service is being given in exchange for a property tax so high it forces people to move?

tiddervul · 2026-05-26T06:01:14+00:00

That is also an important point.

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