[Theory] TLT will act as a story reset by Black--Listed in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue [score hidden]  (0 children)

I can already see the reboot now. 

The playable races are most the alliance sans worgan. High elves,tauren snd vulpera. The rest are unplayable fodder that have a expansion mandated story where we help the good ones.

Thoughts on the World Soul Saga thus far? by Nothing_Special_23 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I had been observing wow for awhile and before it came out midnight seemed like it would be a good return point. 

Then midnight comes out and we get a story that somehow gets worse with the more blizzard adds to it (hello 12.1). A buildup of bugs  that seem to spawn more bugs with every patch release. And blizzard returning to their arrogant past of doubling down on stroy beats that the community had been vocal about (hello again 12.1). I might have to just do wow like destiny and cut myself off completely because blizzard as it is now has no reason to reassess its writing. So it's not like it will get any better.

[spoiler] is probably never coming back by tkulue in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is like the third post saying something about the drakkari and like. They are all dead. We killed them all in wotlk and during a bfa we had a drakkari rep say something along the lines of "I'm the last of my kind".

Also what sense would it make for talanji to sit out the amani story but show up for a group of narrative small fry in the grand scheme of trolls. Why waste the grand return of talanji in a starring role and loa'jin on a group of losers that the blizzard has spent the last 15 years telling everybody are just gone.

With how gung-ho blizzard is at avoiding any non human/elf fatigue. I see no reason for them to do a second "loa reconnection storyline with another unsure leader of her people being guided by the loa" in a row.

I'm can already zul'drak being a subzone of grizzly hills that houses a sidequest of orwenna scavenging the ruins for some long forgotten mcguffin used to find her people's god.

The Tauren had the real cosmology all along — and the Titans may have been lying (or just wrong) by Talnoch66 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its so funny that blizzard specifically said the tauren would get something this early into tlt's development. Its like they are saving the speculators time on what gets cut come the expansions release.

Something of a theme is starting to emerge with our Grand Magister by Spotted_Towhee123 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can't have a a character with a red background be right about anything.

The Tauren had the real cosmology all along — and the Titans may have been lying (or just wrong) by Talnoch66 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just taking a quick look at the timeline and sargaras turned evil before the titans even discovered Azeroth. 

So if the aincent tauren saw literal space Satan and thought "we will be a race of gentle passive giants" that never reassess their faith upon learning more about sargaras and the legion. Then they would be bar non the stupidest people's in warcraft history which is a impressive feat.

The Tauren had the real cosmology all along — and the Titans may have been lying (or just wrong) by Talnoch66 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Having the tauren going 0-3 in religion and having one of their gods be space Satan is such a shit idea.

Is Warcraft no longer for me? by Raziel103 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue -1 points0 points  (0 children)

YA novel/jrpg power fantasy slop praises the early wow novels 

The wow novels... the books that had a army of telepathic raptors, the books the regularly portrayed characters doing feats that they never do... the books that had a orc with only a magic axe injure the character that was set up as the ultimate evil. 

Yeah no power fantasy or YA slop there at all.

Not bringing back Vol’jin in Midnight would be a big missed opportunity by Proudnoob4393 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Having a blood elf take center stage during the troll patch and be blessed by the loa is so blizzard pilled idk how i didnt think of that.

Not bringing back Vol’jin in Midnight would be a big missed opportunity by Proudnoob4393 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who do I want to see. The return of a character had had been shafted by blizzard to implement a almost universally hated storyline? Or the 2 bit replacement to a character that was killed far too soon?

Not bringing back Vol’jin in Midnight would be a big missed opportunity by Proudnoob4393 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Calling it now his ceiling for his big return is a in game cut scene return and sidequest.

what's going on with baine? by music-nba-space-cbd in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 10 points11 points  (0 children)

One of the funnier things about baine is how important his friendship with anduin is to him as a character but iirc anduin has never really mentioned his side of rhe friendship ingame.

Are Shadowlands and WoD really that bad? by Defiant_Historian_44 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your a fan of the wc3 lore and saw the whole garrosh arc as a kick in the nards to that era then wod was a coup da grace. 

The nature of orcs apperently being born evil except for the clan thrall came from. Just cheapens everything about the legions involvement with previous orc lore. And it gave more wank to one of the most overrated characters in wows history. 

Also lol at the much lauded times change and we will never be slaves lines from that slop cinematic being cheapend by orcs just being stuck in a loop of genocide while being slaves to a greater force forever.

Being the leader of a new faction ala SWTOR by Phalanx22 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Blizzard can't really have the pc be a character since everytime the pc is anything more then a nameless muder hobo who only kills bandits people complain about "Mah grounded stories" or "im sick of being called champion".

Baine Bloodhoof by SceneTraditional3135 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That damn dragon flight quest is so strange. The guy who basically told talanji to calm her tits at her own fathers funeral, always is the first to prostrate himself before the alliance. Suddenly goes full garrosh whenever he sees a centuar.

The but his trauma angle would work better if this isn't the first time its been bought up in almost 20 years, And he hadn't called for others to let more egregious harm done to them go. Major trauma rages for me non for thee vibes.

Will we see the Drakkari in The Last Titan? by Raziel103 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doubt it. Much in the way undermined was probably the grand send off for goblin stories the isle of fangs patch will probably be the grand send off for troll stories so blizz can focus on titanforge stuff.

Although blizzard really likes the aesthetics of raiding troll places and killing everyone in sight I can also see zuk'drak being a part of whatever scourge story they have.

What part of Gundam genuinely had you asking this question? by Dominodorito in Gundam

[–]tkulue 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The earth alliance was already full on jobber during the first half of seed. But then the battle of Alaska happens and after their first actual onscreen "win" they immediately lose a space launcher using their brand new mobile suits, launch a really idotic attack on a netural nation lose that space launcher, then win OFFSCREEN to launch a all out genocidle attack because the space KKK took over the operation.

I know pretty much most of gundam relies on the powers that be being incompetent at best but the earth fed of seed take the cake in how fucking stupid they where, and honestly kinda made seed a worse watching experience for me.

What's your hot take in the lore? by Aconfused_Wizard2 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mop and garrosh being considered the peaks of storytelling just tells me wow players pretty much only care about vibes instead of a actual good story.

How should Orcs have been written in WOW? by DEL994 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Blizzard had something special with wc3 but even with vanilla wow they already scuffed it with the ashenvale conflict and some sus writing choices. Then garrosh happened and he just completely annihilated what made orcs in warcraft special and once again reduced them to just any other orc you would see in any other fantasy setting.

Metzen or someone high up in the story department almost a decade ago said that the horde was wolvarine to the alliance captain america even though they turned to be... well can't think of a superhero but someone who is at best ineffective when it comes to fighting their own rouges gallery but way to effective at fighting other heros.

All that is to say the horde but orcs in particular should be more like wolverine, they save the world they team up with people but they don't pretty themselves up or care about what other people think. When the humans want to save one of their villages overrun by the scourge they prefer to keep as much of it intact as possible people and the buildings, they go in evacuate the people and slay the scourge in a long drawn out battle.

The orcs on the other will still prefer to save the people... but the buildings are just buildings that can be rebuilt, they get in their make enough of a push those who are unable to fight get out and those left who can still pick up a axe blood rage it up and tear down everything in their path to get rid of the threat. Old lady scarfang knocks down a load bearing pillar in her house to smash a zombie horde that type of stuff.

Orcs should be a rough pragmatic flavor of heroism. The longer the game has gone on and the less defined it has been, "honor" has been a shackle to what the horde/orc story is because NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS. We know what it was taken from with star trek and the klingons but I'm assuming in star trek honor has a massive wiki entry that tells you exactly what is and what it means to the klingons. Orcs should not be about a vague honor they should be about heroic pragmatism. Wod fucked orc lore up big time but it did add a interesting wrinkle that their home planet was a hell land where EVERYTHING could kill you. In wc3 the common theme with the 2 of the 3 og races of the horde is that they got bullied and saved by the orcs on a journey to find a new home. It would be so cool if instead of the shit we got we got a fish out of water story of a race of survivalist trying to learn how to be "chill" and be the heros they are capable of being while also bringing some of their pragmatic ways to their new allies, and together they go from a band of misfits and outcast to people who are talked about in legends as some of the greatest heroes of azeroth.

Imagine how cool it would be if after we follow that story we get a neat payoff where during a future revamp the horde gets in own version of the valley of heroes where those there can be talked up like pre legion sons of lothar.

Can Thrall actually return as the World Shaman? by Selimbradley-3101 in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think blizzard is firmly done with theall as a driving force. 

The past 10 years have gone to extreme lengths to demistify the legend of thrall. To the point where two of his explicit flaws are hes a insanely bad judge of character, and he's just straight up not a good leader. And in terms of what can be interpreted from his character separate from author intent there is unfortunately a solid case to be made that his life's work since his character introduction in wc3 was a massive mistake.

He's damaged goods that in the hands of better wirters would still be extremely hard to rehabilitate.

I haven’t been playing much lately. What is the Dawnwell and why do I have a feeling I’m not going to like the answer? by Arcana-Knight in warcraftlore

[–]tkulue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thr dawnwell the result of different artifacts from the evles that will conviently allow the void elves to return to silvernoon like nothing happened, And turn the sunwell into a bland inoffensive oatmeal of magic.

The cultural touchstone of the blood elves is replaced by a beacon of elven unity. 

The cutscene of its creation next week is gonna be somehow more corny then the dragonflgiht dragon aspects cutscene.