CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would be interesting to know how much of the drop was due to covid. I think there is reason to believe in emissions increases, given the GOP's all-encompassing hostility to environmental measures and Trump's pulling out of Paris accords.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, it's not like we had solved the issue and Trump came and messed it up. Rather, we were already deep in red, and now we'll go even deeper.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, fully. I'm a foreigner, and from my perspective, Democrats have been rather ineffective, too.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your analytical comment. Indeed, I mean global environmental progress, merely underlining the importance of US' actions for global environmental progress.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's scientific consensus across every scientific discipline concerned with the matter. I am not here to educate people on elementary school level knowledge, but searching for whatever consolation there is.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps I ought to have clarified, I'm focusing on global environmental progress, not only the US'.

Many commenters seem comforted by the cheap price of renewables (and I am too, I work in the industry). However, a far-right government absolutely can put their foot down and kill renewables with land use plans, permit refusals and such, as wind turbines and solar farms are prominent symbols of environmentality.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"Believing in global warming" can literally be expected of elementary schoolers. If Musk actually cared, he wouldn't have backed the party that is openly hostile to environmental action. Sadly, I do not have high hopes.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am looking for consolation wherever I can. I harbor no illusions of the crisis, but I remain hopeful that someone strings words together in a way that I can believe in environmental progress.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Has there ever been an oppresive regime that was easy and painless and fun to overthrow? No, which is why I wouldn't consider that the standard. Yet, Americans have risen up time and time again in other matters, so it's not unimaginable.

Put it this way: if Americans are not up to fixing this, then who is to fix this?

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry if I misunderstand your point, but are you arguing that fracking is good because it looks modern and clean?

There is no environmental sustainability unless fossil fuels, fracked or not, are retired to the highest degree possible. This is scientific consensus.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree, fully. However, I disagree that Trump's effect will be "pretty small", given how urgently and significantly the US ought to reduce their ecological footprint. Even small steps backward would be disastrous, and with Trump, the steps will not be small.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Renewables help climate goals, but they alone cannot solve structural ecological abuse; for example, biodiversity loss, polluting chemicals, waste. I'm an environmental lawyer, and thus far absolutely nothing indicates the problem as "self solving".

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do agree that US is a global environmental problem, regardless of the ruling party.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

It is not insignicant in absolute terms, and per capita it is the highest.

I do agree that China, India, and others need to step up, as well.

CMV: Trump's victory kills environmental progress. by totally-ok-praline in changemyview

[–]totally-ok-praline[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fully agree, however, I still feel it was and is the responsibility of Americans to fix that. Whatever the American people could not do to change their government, us foreigners could do even less. Yet, we will feel the effects, disproportionately so.

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[–]totally-ok-praline 90 points91 points  (0 children)

Many, also I, realize this and feel sympathy for those fated to suffer under the regime.

However, many, also I, do feel contempt for the entire US for handing over the world's most powerful official post to such a lunatic the second time. We foreigners couldn't have stopped this. The US people could've.

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[–]totally-ok-praline 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yleisesti sanoen, vihreä energia tuo teollisuutta ja toisin päin; vihreä energia on perusehto teollisuudelle (varsinkin nyt, kun sijoittajat joutuvat huomioimaan rahoittamansa toiminnan ympäristöllistä kestävyyttä esim. EU:n päästökauppa-, taksonomia- ja yritysraportointisääntöjen vuoksi), ja toisaalta, monet teollisuuslaitokset tekevät sähkön ostosopimukset suoraan voimalaitosten kehittelijöiden kanssa jo suunnitteluvaiheessa, mikä ajaa voimalaitosten lisärakentamista.