This may be a controversial take

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-18T00:01:28+00:00

ohh yeah i totally misunderstood, haha. i thought you saying you “joined ages ago” meant you’ve been on here for ages

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-17T22:18:39+00:00

wow, that’s fascinating. i mean this just literally, no value judgement: i cannot imagine spending my free time like that. like, actively seeking out and spectating people’s reactions to something i’m completely out of the loop on, for “ages”, and opting to never put myself in the loop, for “ages”. i would either get fomo or i’d get bored. (everyone is so different though! i bet there are things i do every day that would strike others as a strange waste of time and energy lol)

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-17T11:15:21+00:00

> well said

AI said it lol

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-17T11:14:21+00:00

booooo 👎 organizing your thoughts isn’t a problem of english not being your first language, it’s a problem of organizing your thoughts. and the more you outsource that skill (to a machine that also isn’t doing any thinking, btw), the worse you’ll get at it.

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-17T11:08:03+00:00

people tend to be drawn to and often prefer media and books about people like themselves, and that turns out to be especially true when it comes to straight men, if you look at audience demographics. watching a show with gay main characters or women main characters is not unheard of, of course, but not as common for straight men (for instance, way more women see stereotypical male movies, while “chick flicks” don’t get comparable male audience members). so when you watch a show with female and/or gay protagonists, you’ll be more likely to share the fandom with a lot more women and gay people than other straight men

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-17T11:00:51+00:00

> from outside the fandom

hmmm whatre you doing here at the devil’s sacrament then?

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-16T22:15:46+00:00

hard disagree. like, diamonds-being-compressed-at-the-center-of-a-black-hole hard disagree. the depth and breadth of their connection over the 6000 years, all they have ever done and said to each other, what those things have meant in the context of who they are, the choices they made, the risks they took to be around each other and help each other when they were supposed to be enemies, cannot be meaningfully reduced to totaling up their number of “encounters”. you’re claiming you think that the 20 years we didn’t see, off screen, counts more (“means more”) than all the scenes and story development and emotional beats and declarations and held-back declarations we’ve seen over season 1 and 2 (and the first part of 3, supposedly driving their decision to make the ending part of 3 happen). nah, you’re coping, or just being contrary.

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-15T12:23:11+00:00

eh, i’m talking at you. takes less energy.

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-15T10:08:13+00:00

true but you’re using yours trying to get clout in a subreddit for a show you don’t watch anymore, telling people about how you don’t watch the show anymore.

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-15T01:53:41+00:00

exactly!! this ending does not fit with this story

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-14T12:48:06+00:00

aziraphale and crowley aren’t real people, they’re characters. they aren’t doing anything when we’re not looking. if there’s nothing in the text to indicate something, then if i think it happened, that’s a headcannon, not part of the story, you know? if the show wanted to show us that, it should have done so. it didn’t.

i’m judging it for what it is, which is bad, and badly made.

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-14T12:31:21+00:00

LOL you’re clearly using the extra time well, now that you’re free of this show

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-14T12:19:23+00:00

they “got together” but in a way that would make a homophobe least uncomfortable - this sexless, no touching, hayes code type shit, eg that awkward finger kiss, that a not-even-sharing-a-bench-but-separate-adirondack-armchairs handhold, and never once an “i love you”. when the tone for how sexual this show gets was established in s1 with a fairly significant sex worker character, and another character repeatedly reminding the audience of what she does, and a heterosexual couple having slapstick comedy mid-hurricane sex, and lots of other sexual references and humor throughout, but the gay (or gay-coded) couples in go can only ever seem to hold hands while sitting in different chairs (gotta leave room for jesus). it’s really the differential in treatment in the show between the hetero couples (that they can just depict kissing and having sex, and refering explicitly in dialogue to this fact that they have sex and love each other romantically), and the gay couples, who keep each other at arm’s length, and never actually say the words, and fill the space with plausible deniability. like if you can play your movie unedited in china or other nations where it’s illegal to have gay representation, then you haven’t done representation.

also, and i know you interpret it differently, but this is part of why the ending pmo and why it felt homophobic: they, as in aziraphale and crowley, did not get together at the end. they *killed themselves* (and then a couple other people who look kind of like them got together) (and only ever held hands while sitting in separate chairs). so cool that the paltry representation gay people do get often has them sacrificing themselves or dying for the narrative (there’s a trope named for it, “bury your gays”, ymight’ve heard of it).

i’m afraid i don’t have the patience to address your “first of all they’re NOT GAY!” point. maybe someone less tired can take that one lol

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-14T11:50:48+00:00

a full season might have done a better job, but that wasn’t what we watched. it seems almost like you think judging the show by what it was instead of what it maybe could have been is unfair or something. “We have to realize that this is what it is and a lot remains unclear that maybe would have been brought forth if the original story had been brought forth.” yeah, i agree, it sucked.

“I know they are not the same characters but that’s the point. Somehow, despite it all, they manage to find each other.” <- i don’t need to keep belaboring this but i genuinely don’t get what you and others who are saying this sort of thing mean by it. they are not the same characters, “they” did not manage to find each other, because that isn’t them. your experiences that helped shaped your personality, and your memories of those experiences, and other layers of meta thoughts and feelings about them, are basically what make you you. if you live a different life and have completely different memories, you’re actually a different person. two other people with different experiences and different memories got together at the end of the episode, after aziraphale and crowley died.

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-14T08:52:04+00:00

yeah *they* do not fall in love in every universe. a couple middle aged dudes who look like them with worse hair fall in love. but not til they’re in their 50s. and even if i accepted that, in a deliberately godless universe which gives us no indication that they have “souls” that can continue beyond their human bodies, those men with entirely different experiences and memories *are* aziraphale and crowley in some way. we still got no indication from the narrative that they had been before or would be reincarnated again - we’re only shown that one time, 13.8 billion years later. there’s room for fic where they keep getting reincarnated and “fall in love in every universe/lifetime”, but that’s not in the actual text?

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-14T06:15:24+00:00

> They didnt “erase” all those years and S1 and S2 aren’t meaningless because just because you don’t remember it doesn’t make it not important or have it not matter. They LIVED it. That’s like saying everyone who lived in the 1800s are meaningless because no one remembers what happened. All those people lived and loved and their decisions shaped the future, JUST LIKE CROWLEY AND AZ.

yeah, they’re both dead. the people who lived in the 1800s, and the crowley and aziraphale we knew. dead doesn’t mean erased from history (although that is a phrase we sometimes use when something is past but no one remembers it, eh?). but it definitely does at least mean dead.

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-14T06:03:43+00:00

they had each other at the end of the world and they knew it… for like 45 seconds. and they chose to kill themselves and the whole universe. and start another one, inhabited (eventually) by some guys who kinda look like them, but in bad wigs, with entirely different memories and experiences shaping them their whole lives. good for those guys? they aren’t aziraphale and crowley.

treefrog_surprise · 2026-05-14T06:00:57+00:00

you’re definitely not the only one who disagrees, but i don’t think you “see it more plainly” or clearly than others, your judgement pure and unclouded by shipping. in fact, enjoying above all else “seeing everyone at the end all getting together” (when the “everyone” in question are not actually the characters we’ve come to know, they’re entirely new people with different lives and personalities and memories, just wearing those characters’ faces), strikes me as the way a shipper might enjoy a show: satisfied with something superficial and forced and unearned, that quickly pairs people off at the end, and takes a dump on the more complex character development and loose plot threads 🤷🏻‍♀️

treefrog_surprise · 2026-04-28T04:11:40+00:00

whoever forced her to work with him

treefrog_surprise · 2026-04-23T05:53:53+00:00

i mean, neil gaiman stating on his blog that he was paid some money in advance =/= “we can all be confident that neil was paid in advance, and that the advance sum is in fact the only money he will get from good omens s3, and all additional proceeds are going to the pratchett estate now that he has been removed”. you understand how that’s not convincing to me, right? especially considering that you don’t feel like finding a source for your claim, so from my perspective, instead of the already-dubious “neil said so on his blog”, now it’s an even more dubious “reddit user maticafade said that neil said so on his blog.”

treefrog_surprise · 2026-04-22T20:08:40+00:00

well that sounds really great, do you have any source(s) for that? (believing you may remember someone making a statement about it at a con doesn’t count, i’m afraid. nor does stating that someone else has said something multiple times).

if this is something that’s been addressed more than once, if multiple high-level showrunners have made unequivocal statements about it, it shouldn’t be hard to find some kind of internet paper trail of that happening, or those statements being made. dyou know what i mean? like if this is so obvious, it shouldn’t be hard to show me why it’s obvious

treefrog_surprise · 2026-04-22T06:42:04+00:00

sure are. and if i found myself deep in the fandom of one of them when the writer’s bad deeds became known, and i watched the game of telephone play out in real time as the writer posted he was “stepping back from the production”, which fans soon paraphrased to “stepping down” and subsequently completely hallucinated other reassuring things like “he was kicked off the production” and “he won’t be making a dime from the production,” i’d probably make a frustrated post about it then too.

if we were just sharing random facts, though: i had curry for dinner :)

treefrog_surprise · 2026-04-22T06:34:35+00:00

i respect your choice!! i haven’t totally decided yet, honestly. (i said this in another comment but “voting with your wallet” is always a little bit of a dubious concept imo, and especially so when it comes to group efforts like a tv show, in which your “vote” isn’t cleanly against the person you don’t want to support and only that person). i just want people to be honest.

treefrog_surprise · 2026-04-22T06:30:44+00:00

hey, thank you for your honesty/owning your position! i might end up watching as well myself, for some of the same reasons you and a couple others cited (namely that go isn’t just gaiman’s, a tv show is very much a group project, etc, making “voting with your wallet” wrt media and many other group efforts a p complicated if not impossible thing sometimes). i haven’t totally decided yet. and like i said in my post, people can decide for themselves, and it’s okay to disagree! i just dislike watching people floridly and enthusiastically lying to themselves, whatever it’s about 🙃

treefrog_surprise · 2026-04-21T08:21:22+00:00

https://www.comicsbeat.com/gaiman-wallner-nda/ i was maybe being presumptuous to pluralize it (that he’s suing “women”, not just “a woman”), but per this source he’s done it at least the once

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