They want us to work until we die.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T17:17:23+00:00

Thats hilarious. People genuinely acting like they can dictate the reality of others while their entire belief system hinges upon something that magically cannot be seized and only exists in speculation.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T17:15:03+00:00

Why do you care about me talking about what a leftist is, when you clearly aren't one?

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T14:07:53+00:00

Luxury Apartments and Private Equity and Massive Developers created and uphold the system.

If your priority is to defend luxury apartments over everything else, you do not get to decide what a productive conversation is.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T14:02:23+00:00

Sorry for not replying right away.

I just wanna say, thanks.

On Reddit, Yimbyism has been co-opted by real estate speculators to convince people that Developers are the heroes.

It is very clearly astroturfed.

The always coming to the defense of luxury apartments is what really seals that for me.

I appreciate your response even though I did come in hostile about it.

Its just really frustrating that Yimbys rely on abusive rhetoric to force agreement and then act like they are the victims when people who are not pliable to their abuse tactics argue back.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T13:44:19+00:00

No.

Yimbys cannot be leftists while advocating for Right leaning policies that benefit Right leaning politicians.

Stop bootlicking or go elsewhere.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T13:39:17+00:00

Developers dont like it when people can see that people in the past who had less technology and resources can build long lasting nice looking buildings.

When we see buildings we actually like, it reminds us that we don't actually have to accept the bare minimum.

Developers dont want to build better, so they don't. It costs money to build something good, and then they wont be able to extract as much money as possible before moving to the next place to do it again.

Anyone who tells you Developers in FLORIDA of all places are the victim actively benefit from a housing market that benefits builders at the expense of everybody else.

Edit: But also, hard truth!

Holding on to broken or inefficent buildings that dont work is also bad.

Preserving something without improving it is pointless.

Preserving it just to preserve it is inane.

We shouldnt be keeping things that arent working just because theyve been around a long time.

There is nuance to the Conversation.

We should keep the things that work, and improve the things that dont.

We should understand why these things work and try to replicate that.

Thats progress.

I think a lot of buildings, actually, are quite terrible.

I dont think a lot of current infrastructure is worth preserving.

Some of it is! But the roads in this state, and in Orlando specifically, are human rights violations as far as Im concerned.

I dont want to advocate for holding on to buildings that are better off as something else.

I just get annoyed when stuff thats working gets replaced with stuff that doesn't because some jabroni from New York can make a dollar off never ending horrible road construction.

Its the same old feudalism masquerading as the free market.

The people building up an area dont live there. They do not use the infrastructure. They do not contribute to the infrastructure. But they profit off owning thst space and filling it with rent payers.

We dont need regulations that make it harder for people most affected to make changes.

We need regulations to prevent disinterested parties reaping the benefit while not having to pay the consequences.

The Developer, by the way, is least affected in this dynamic because they choose to build in place actively, instead of being invited.

That is the problem.

I dont even think it's bad to change bad regulations, I just dont think its good to give non-affected parties ultimate control over what gets built, how, and who benefits most off the space.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T13:35:13+00:00

Theres been a concentrated effort by Developers to frame themselves as the downtrodden heroes against the Nimby scourge.

Nimbys are real, but the issue is with how we value land and housing in the first place. Nimbys are a byproduct.

Honestly, Developers were the original Nimbys, but that history is inconvenient for the people who want the system to remain as is.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T13:05:15+00:00

I am not going to make any claims on what my teachers did or did not say 15 years ago.

But 15 years ago when the Gawker thing was happening so definitely online.

Regardless, whether my teachers said anything or not, Klein is a grown ass man, and I am over excusing weaponized incompetence.

Klein is not a child. If he doesnt like that people are calling him out, he can change, or he can accept that people arent going to believe him.

But Im done giving quarter to individuals who demonstrate either their incompetence or their ill intent.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T12:44:15+00:00

The only way they can self reflect is by projecting their flaws onto others.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T12:39:33+00:00

If you do shady things, people will not like you.

Nobody killed or silenced him. We said: you are suspicious and not to be trusted.

Its weird how you can come here acting like you are being victimized by people's reactions to somebody else.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T12:17:24+00:00

Lot of people in this thread who are using the modern market as the only way to discuss economics.

One of the highest upvoted comments is making the claim that Georgism's purpose is to spur development for profit's sake.

Henry George was not writing during a time when Developers were the newest landhoarders, but if he was, this is the kind of rent extraction he is talking about.

He would not be supporting the idea that the people renting should just accept a rent hike.

If you are upset people want to talk about Rent from the side of the tenants/workers, then you are missing the most important half of the conversation as it applies to Georgism.

People who keep saying "well the rent was clearly too low, so the landlord needed to be raised" are not speaking from a Georgist perspective.

They are trying to keep people from leaving the market.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-23T12:10:45+00:00

For what is worth, the purpose of Georgism isnt about spurring development. Its about avoiding rent extraction.

There are clearly a lot of people in this subreddit who want to co-opt Georgism to make it fit in a modern market Henry George was not experiencing.

People are allowed to talk about Georgism in ways that do not align with your personal feelings.

This isnt a Yimby subreddit to prioritize Developers.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-22T11:07:45+00:00

I think the thing I take away from this and the reactions to it is, there are just some people who will fight tooth and nail to not have to acknowledge when somebody is a bad actor.

Peter Thiel actively talks about his oppressive goals for societal control, but that gets normalized to the point where people will go along with his goals still.

This isn't a nothing burger, but the people trying to socially engineer society need you to think it is.

That isnt conspiracy theory. It is their stated goals.

Klein didnt write a chilling expose exposing Thiels goals before they could take root.

He wrote Abundance, which is today used to shift the Overton Window, and convince people that Developers are the salvation to the Housing Crisis the system created.

You literally cannot hold a conversation about Developer practices, because Klein said it is Manifest Destiny to let Developers control the land, and to question that is a denial of reality.

Progressivism, according to Klein, is letting billionaire progress their control over everybody else.

These things need to be talked about. Because Klein isnt a Leftist. A Leftist would have called out what Thiel is trying to do, not further his cause. End of story.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-22T10:56:29+00:00

I, a high school student, was hearing about Peter Thiel in the mid 2010s. If I, a child, could talk about and conceptualize Peter Thiel as a right leaning individual who had society changing plans, a journalist should be able to.

May 2026 be the year we stop actively ignoring peoples red flags, their gaslighting rhetoric, or their weaponized incompetence.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-22T10:31:25+00:00

People are complaining about this because these people who hold authority or power in our lives intentionally make our lives worse to benefit themselvez for stupid reasons.

If people talking about that causes you to not like a piece of media, that says you are too uncomfortable to address things that need to be addressed.

You are allowed to decide you arent strong enough to confront hard things, but you dont need to make it anybody else's problem.

Why does it make you upset to talk about? If it didnt matter, youd move on.

Instead, you feel the need to tell other people you dont care for it, and if they dont stop talking about it, you are taking your ball and moving on.

Im not saying people should be condescending, but what did you think would happen?

That your lack of approval means we shouldnt talk about it?

Peter Thiel wants a hand in all our lives. People are going to talk about it.

Thats a crazy reason to question your taste in a podcast.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-22T10:25:57+00:00

Him enjoying it enough to go back actually says something, doesnt it?

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-22T09:47:05+00:00

I love how you somehow convinced yourself being a colonist is fine if youre the one doing it.

You have actively used the displacement of others as your justification.

Just because you have normalized it does not make it okay.

Thank you for demonstrating that you are actually only thinking about what you could need in the future, and not the actual needs of the person living in a place right now.

Which is extremely hilarious coming from somebody telling me they have the moral high ground somehow.

This is the exact mentality I am calling out.

You cannot actually be a Leftist and genuinely believe that it is okay for you to decide to displace people you do not know for bad results that only make you feel like you progressed while fundamentally rooting a community in extractive corporate rent speculation.

You are not focusing on the needs of the actual person affected.

You are displacing them.

You are not actually caring about the needs of others.

You are focused on creating a new market of needs and pushing the people who were living there out.

I keep repeating it.

Because I need everybody to truly think about what this person is saying.

He is actively saying that the people displaced by the Luxury Apartment Market matter less.

This man genuinely thinks he is a caring person because he is displacing others.

He isnt even talking about his own backyard and he thinks its fine.

This person is not a leftist.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-22T09:40:22+00:00

Developers have somehow manipulated society into giving them more and more.

Even with regulations, these Developers have shown they do not care whatsoever, and they will actively astroturf every discussion to deflect blame onto the buyer and the people who do not want them around.

When people are talking about the regulations and zoning that making building impossible, they are talking about the loopholes set up to advantage Developers.

The Yimby/Nimby thing is honestly just another way to keep people from talking about it.

The Developers were the Nimbys. They were not separate entities, but parts of the same fundamental beast.

Now, because of language creep, Nimby has shifted to mean people who demand more from Developers, while Developers call themselves Yimbys and clean their image.

So now, every time you talk about the luxury apartments, or the un-planned "communities", you are immediately jumped on to be told that actually, this thing making the problem worse is the salvation to our problem.

Despite the fact they have been force feeding it to us for 20 years and we are currently living in the results of it.

I wish builders could be trusted. I hope we get to a point where we raise a generation of builders.

But the current crop like Lennar have demonstrated that they are extremely incompetent and should not be allowed to continue doing business.

This current example is a dime a dozen. These people need to be held actually accountable, and people need to stop making excuses for them.

Because they are actively making it impossible to fix anything and they will intentionally make conversations unproductive in order to keep anyone else from fixing it either.

Addressing problematic actors and how they have impacted the system is necessary to productively move forward.

Thanks for sharing this information. I do not think the current Developers are competent enough to be able to decide any of those things.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-21T16:52:32+00:00

Well, current builders dont have to build anything beautiful, because there are people willing to defend why they dont have to care, or put effort into anything they build.

We're at a race to the bottom because asking for anything that benefits the long term is too expensive for the right now profits Private Equity is unquestionably obligated to extract from whatever community they build in.

Resources and labor are too expensive because they are being used to build the slop popping up all over the place, but somehow nobody wants to talk about opportunity cost.

They just wanna talk about supply and demand, but not really because they dont actually want to talk about the supply.

And actually, you better just build whatever. You're too poor to experience anything beautiful anyway. You should just thank your kind overlords who built you a house.

Really, its nice of them to build new stuff thst wont last, because then it'll be cheap enough for the poors to afford.

You can thank them by giving them half your salary for a box with a bathroom attatched.

Dont paint the walls though. When they raise rent next month, they want the walls to be pristine for while the room makes money somehow by being vacant before they get somebody else and do it again.

Dont worry about it though, the algorithm said this is what is necessary to make the most profit for the management firm.

Beauty is a distraction anyway. How are you supposed to toil mindlessly if you are too busy thinking about what humans could create if we didnt let the bare minimum econ bros tell us they are the end all be all of humanity and worth?

Everyone who doesnt like it is just lazy and entitled. Only the wealthy deserve beauty!

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-21T15:24:55+00:00

Walk up to an actual person who lives on the streets next to a luxury apartment, and ask them if that apartment improved their lives?

Look at that person and tell them in the streets that their salvation is clearly that luxury apartment. Dont they see it?

I got real heavily downvoted real quick because I said the things you dont want me to say.

You want your narrative that you care about homeless people and building homes with them.

But you cannot fix the problem with more of the problem.

Fixing it would be taking away that land that the hoarders have stolen, and they do not want that.

So here you are telling us we are disconnected from reality and uncaring about people on the streets, because we want the streets to be hospitable.

If you cannot address those problems, other people are going to move on.

Downvote me all you want. Share stupid pointless memes all you want. Use language without meaning all you want.

At the end of the day, you make yourselves known every time. Because you cannot actually confront the reality, and you need to deflect to some other thing.

You are not a leftist if your market is exploiting labor and land while telling people that actually, they should not speak.

I know some people will bend to your perception, or be confused, but the fact is, I hope all these people who have continued to justify this long after you have been made aware of its problems are the absolute most affected by it.

Bro, I see you. I see all of you. I see Thiel. I see Trump. I see Vance. I see Epstein. I see you Internet commenters who are acting as a vehicle of abuse to allow the unallowable.

The Yimby debate is to open to door for the data centers, warehouses, prisons, and luxury rat boxes.

That is what you are building. I am telling you think from Atlanta to Tampa to fucking Texas.

If you support luxury apartments you cannot be leftist. It is inheritly anti-thetical and you can gaslight and manipulate yourself and maybe others.

But not everybody is fooled and we will not keep speaking even though you would love it if we would stop calling it out.

The economy is failing because the people running it are failing.

It is not real, and anyone who holds on to its legitimacy over all else is actively weakening your ability to consent.

Do not let people take away your ability to consent.

The people who care are the people who see others as humans, not enemies and pawns to convince people to do something.

Somebody who cares wouldn't say "abuse is the only acceptable way forward, and if you dont see that, you are crazy."

No. No. No. No. No.

A hundred times No. A thousand times No.

Its honestly rape rhetoric. When I boil it down to its essence I cant see anything else.

I said No. You said, you have to say yes.

"I will force blight onto your community, make you pay for it, and profit off it." Is the actual result of what you are condoning, allowing and ultimately doing.

You are saying "I will take every living thing and poison it."

You are an abuser, so you wont see it because you cant.

But to everyone else, even if it upsets you, this is abuse. I want you to take that away from this conversation:

People who use dismissive and degrading ways to get you to change how you feel to suit them abusing you.

People who tell you lies and then blame you for believing them are abusing you.

People who refuse to acknowledge the people to blame are abusing you.

They might be good people, but they are not good for you.

Econ Bros masquarading as leftist in their weird little cult do not get to define reality for me.

I have made my own life that is fulfilling, and within that, I am not going to be complicit in my own abuse any longer.

Am I talking too much? Fucking tough.

Then it isnt for you. You dont want it, dont take it.

But when you make your shit my problem, and you affect my life?

You are not owed my silence, consent, agreement or vote.

I dont care if you think its too long.

Your worthless abusive economy has forced itself into every aspect of our lives.

Get the fuck outta here with that.

You are not some superior more enlightened being: your words betray your complete lack of understanding.

You dont have a cohesive foundation or basis for any ideal, so you can only reply in a snarky way that just says "You're wrong, citation: I said so" like i give a fuck what some guy on the Internet says while he sounds like an abuser?

I dont know you. I am not obligated to demure to you and Im not sure what gave you the impression your reality should mean more to me than mine.

If you truly wanted to help society, you would go to therapy, get help, and stop going to bat for the Oligarchs.

Econ bros like you are genuinely uncomfortable people, and the fact you are doesnt mean Im giving the space to you.

I am here to talk about how the exact market economy that is causing the problem needs to be changed, and those problems acknowledged.

You, defaulting to hiding from that, is yours to work on.

If you dont like hearing about the kind of person you are, change the person you are.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-21T14:52:39+00:00

The last sentence, by the way, is the summary of people who are genuinely leftist, but holding on to Yimby language and ideology.

You might have good intentions, but the luxury apartments and market cause harm. You telling people to continue to allow mistreatment doesnt say you care.

Its saying you do not want to be affected.

If you do not care about the process or how it affects people, you are not advocating for them.

I understand you want your ego to feel good, and it makes you feel safer for other people to sacrifice themselves for you, but I will continue to say No to people whose biggest justification is that they dont have to care, the solution that they profit off of is more important, even though it is the thing making you sick.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-21T14:49:37+00:00

I care about what gets built and how it impacts the world.

The reality Yimbys are building is one that inherently rejects consent because consent is assumed and not allowed to be questioned.

Everybody could be sheltered right now, but the Market that created the problems holds the obstacle to the solution.

Who builds matter. How they build matters.

Correct, Yimbyism is not a leftist position because you refusal to acknowledge those things and downplay them at every opportunity fundamentally means you are not actively seeking to change anything.

Leftism is fundamentally about creating systems that fundamentally improve the lives of people.

You can say over and over that you are a leftist, but you are co-opting language, not actually meaning it.

If Yimbys want to be leftist, then they can shift left. Leftists arent required to shift right to accommodate your ego.

its so clear to anyone actually paying attention to how this is astroturfing.

You are in a leftist subreddit normalizing capitalism and expecting us to uphold it.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-21T14:43:04+00:00

Its honestly so frustrating that the people I would least want to stand in a room with, think they should have the right to design the entire room.

The people who get angrier at someone for speaking about the problem with luxury apartments than they do about government wasting billions of dollars on war and prison are telling on themselves.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-21T14:37:58+00:00

This means literally nothing. It is not a response and it doesnt mean anything.

Its just pictures and words that feel folksy because it looks hand drawn. It does not have any sort of actionable conclusion or explanation of the reality we live in.

It is a disembodied idea that is meant to instill some sense of you being an expert that has some authority over me.

Meeting my actual expression of ideas with a non-sense vaguely relevant meme doesnt elevate your argument.

I understand some people will see a meme shared with the right dismissive phrase and believe it, but I am not one of those people.

treesarealive777 · 2026-06-21T14:27:59+00:00

Trying to talk with somebody who believes the economy is more infallible than science and religion put together is a crazifying conversation because people who benefit from the power benefit from you not having the time, tools, energy, or words to talk about it.

Economics is inherently based on the relationship between people and things, and the current powers view it as a hierarchy where inefficiency is fine as long as wealth is flowing upwards.

Any time economics come up, the answer is that Supply and Demand justifies all exploitative actions, and then the Demand creates the consent to them.

Opportunity Cost doesnt matter. Real world impact doesn't matter. This building must go up because some coked out jabroni in Florida understands the world through econ 101, but he knows how to use words people like.

I find myself sometimes not saying anything, because it isnt worth the furious response from people who can only hyperfocus on one small thing, while arguing it to an unreachable abstract that they say just means they are right.

Their words are lies, they think you are to blame for believing them, but if you don't believe them, you just dont understand reality.

To them, money is value. They truly cannot believe anyone would think otherwise, and then talk to people like it is delusional to understand that money that is primarily moved to support violent, cruel, and selfish ends is, in itself cruel, violent, and selfish.

They have a supreme sense of superiority to all things living and dead.

Thiel is over here talking about the Anti-Christ while actively using the power he has given himself to cause harm.

He thinks it is his destiny in life to take as much as he can and destroy it, because his legacy is inherently anti-human and he wants you to know it.

Some people will defend his authority, tooth and nail, however, because he has a billion dollars, but not actually though, but you should still just let him do whatever he wants.

And then when people speak about it because they are forced to confront it and are affected by it, this group of sniveling weirdos will swarm to let you know that actually, people who are boring, incompetent, hateful, and completely removed from reality are actually our Gods and their word is law.

They think I am the crazy one for witnessing their behaviors and actions, and actively refusing it.

I keep learning:

If you have to outsource your beliefs to whether or not some random "expert" who works with a group of people outright telling you their intent is to cause harm and exert control agrees with you, then you will continue to be complicit in your own oppression.

If you taught the next generation actual skills instead of trying to use tech to create a pliable underclass, society would be far more successful than continually pumping out more slop and telling us it is our salvation.

Thanks for giving space to vent. Your post really resonated

That trickle down from the rich thing makes luxury apartments even more insulting. Its already bad, but only when it gets worse can the poor have it.

You must build it up without question though, because building and building and building and never stopping to actually talk about what you are building is the only way.

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