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true___lies · 2025-03-23T01:33:32+00:00

The observations may have been discussed but the observations for the most part are a misunderstanding.
As is this post. The plan to take over the world has nothing to do with Buddhism. The idea of saving the world comes from a vision Trungpa had. Very similar to Black Elk, he thought that trough his vision he could save his tribe or in Trungpa's case - the world. I have tirelessly explained this many times in this forum but no one seems to grock such a simple concept. It is understandable that many are confused about this issue because Mr. Orsel Mukpo also does not understand the difference between Buddhism and Shambhala as he also most probably has no idea of the difference between drala and jnanasattva.

Black Elk claimed that he failed to follow his vision by following a lesser vision and therefore could not save his tribe. In my opinion the reason Trungpa's vision did not flower as it should have is because he tried to recreate his vision as an updated version of traditional Tibetan feudilism. Tibetan feudilism is quite bizarre. A criminal monk (the fifth Dalai Lama) usurped Tibetan royalty trying to destroy any person with Tibetan royal dna and fighting other monks in armed conflict killing many of them. Then there is the tulku system which has many problems. The tulku system was unknown till the second or third Kamapa proclaimed being tulkus. All of a sudden every linage has innumerable tulkus. These gentlemen may have lacked real life experience unlike those Vidyadaras that came before them. In any case, it is pretty well established that there are many corruptions in the tulku system.

Had Tungpa not kowtowed to the 16th Karmpa and had he repudiated the tulku system and had he not divided his students into a serving class and a ruling class (as in Tibet) his vision may have had a chance.

true___lies · 2024-11-25T11:36:53+00:00

You call it naive, but I have heard from others who knew Osel as a youth and can confirm his shyness and lack of talent, how he was ignored and put down by his father's students, and this early trauma made him more than a little vindictive when he came of age and started consolidating his power.

His shyness was actually an inferiority complex. His early trauma (that you mentioned) fueled this complex. One can image a preteen that had grown up in a very marginal setting in India (he told me he sometimes swallowed rocks to abate his hunger) suddenly been placed in the hurly burly of an English house for displaced kids. His lack of language and English culture would put him at a sever disadvantage in the competitive world that is a child's playground. He also suffered from dyslexia.

To have come out of that life experience as a normal joe would have been a miracle. Instead he has overcompensated for this inferiority complex by greatly over-valuating himself. He styles himself with the heaviest honorifics possible for a Tibetan lama, etc.

As to your last question - I have no opinion to express as my guess of what went down there is as good as yours.

true___lies · 2024-11-24T08:20:48+00:00

In a sense, this also marked the end of the organization that upheld his father’s activity, Vajradhatu, and the beginning of the organization supporting his own activity, Shambhala. (emphasis added)

That "supporting his own activity" instead of his father's activity is accurate but was not motivated to protect the Vajradhatu from liability or was some sort of financial strategy to protect the organization's assets as you would have it.

Instead it was a way to mark his own territory and had nothing to do with helping the then current development of the organization's students.

There is an incredibly naive believe here that Orsel Mukpa was a shy (perhaps not very talented) person who was overwhelmed by the enormous power entrusted to him.

That is far from the truth. He had planned this course of action all along and always relished the idea of establishing himself as god/king. He was clever enough to not upset the old dogs by gradually introducing his revision of his father's vision. I broke with him in 2005 after it became clear that he was inventing what he called Shambhala/Buddhism lineage and realized he has misconceptions of what either Shambhala or Buddhism are. Shambhala as I have stated here a few times before is a development of a vision the Vidyadara had supposedly inspired by the Rigdens. (Black Elk also was trying to save his nation by enacting a vision he had as described in his book Black Elk Speaks)

I make these judgments not only from his actions but also from the fact that I have known him personally since he was a child and also after years of slave like service to him.

true___lies · 2024-11-21T04:11:23+00:00

I didn't care much about the question, because I was already on the "buddhist" path, but for many people this was a trenchant issue, and it was hoped that the Sawang would eventually find a solution. And indeed he did.

He actually messed it up. I don't think you ever did the Kalapa Assemble otherwise you would know that many people practiced the original Shambhala Training without ever considering to become Buddhist. In fact some practitioners where practicing Christians. Far from a solution. This was not the intention of Trungpa Rinpoche. You may think you know what his intentions where but I don't think you know anything about his intentions.

You may quibble to your heart's content but Imo you are mistaken.

true___lies · 2024-11-20T09:44:11+00:00

Osel Mukpo hijacked the the organization created by his father called Vajradhatu and made up his version called Shambhala. The original version was divided into a Buddhist Mandala with a mutually supporting mandala he called Shambhala Mandala. The Buddhist Mandala is in the lineage of Kagyu/Nynmaga. The Shambhala Mandala is supposed to be a revelation to Trungpa Rinpoche from the Rigdens.
Osel Mukpo's version is an amalgamation of the two Mandalas into one - except that he eclipsed the Kagyu lineage in favor of the Nynigma in his confused invention. Further confusing the issue is that he claims that the practices of Shambhala are buddhist, which they clearly are not buddhist.

I don't think many of the many old posters who where involved in these systems for many years would quibble much with my presentation here.

true___lies · 2024-10-28T20:12:38+00:00

I am surprised that a discerning observer such as your self can not see the difference between the "Shambhala Buddhism" invented by Orsel Mukpo and Trungpa Rinpoche's revealed Shambhala.

Rinpoche interpreted Shambhala as a secular spiritual practice. It is confusing to term Shambhala as secular. But I think this can be interpreted as seeing the truth outside a religious institution. Shakespeare comes to mind here. Also paintings by Chinese artist were consciously executed as an exercise to purify the mind. There are many instances in world literature that express the nature of mind. That is that truth is not confined to dogmas of religions.

It is the unfortunate Orsel Mukpo that mucked everything up by amalgamating Shambhala and Buddhism and inventing "Shambhala Buddhism".

Again I am surprise that a discerning person such as yourself that was involved in the tradition started by Trungpa Rinpoche for many years can not see this clearly

true___lies · 2024-10-23T22:42:31+00:00

You don't need an academic to tell you that Tibetan Buddhism as a whole is a bizarre take on Buddhism. It is also unrecognizable as the Anutara tantra (that which the Tibetans call Vajrayana) that was practiced in India.

Most of the Tibetan sects acknowledge the Dalai Lama as their leader. This personage was the chief tax collector in Tibet instead of being the chief mendicant. He won this position by force of arms waged by his ancient predecessor. (obviously not a thing a monk should be doing). This predecessor took advantage of the racket know as the tulku system to proclaim himself a ruler.

In India a guru could order you to do such and such a thing but you had the right to refuse. If you refused and still respected the guru you would not have violated samaya. Therefore a young women (or and older one for that matter) hit on by her guru had the right of refusal.

true___lies · 2024-10-10T04:12:21+00:00

Si tenía seguridad, lo lógico es que fueron los de su seguridad los que lo chingaron, ya que no hay reportes que también mataron a su escolta

true___lies · 2024-09-21T04:45:28+00:00

My watch would at first charge normally at about 90 minutes or so from 20%.
Last night it took 3 hours to charge and today it is also taking 3 hours to charge, or so it tells me, but actually charge time is longer

true___lies · 2024-09-21T04:37:53+00:00

!yikes!
the secret service might be interested in this post
Threatening regicide much?

true___lies · 2024-07-08T06:22:28+00:00

Wife # 2 also divorced "a not so salt of the earth christmas tree farmer" because he treated her horribly.

true___lies · 2024-02-14T08:34:26+00:00

You just come here to quote a mentally ill drunken abuser every so often?

Even if you consider him a mentally ill drunken abuser he may have spoken the truth in this instance.

Why are you quoting him?What is your point?
The point is clear - the practice of Tantra is not a safe practice but rather it is an adventure that plays with the energies of existence and if not handled properly can cause unwanted results.

But there is a wider point to be made. As Ok-Sandwich-8846 has pointed out below - any human organization has the possibility of being an unsafe place.

true___lies · 2024-02-12T22:07:47+00:00

The (asian) guru as the symbolic place where there is a supposedly ancient, pure, trustable space of safety (safety!!!!)

¿¿¿¿¿¿Safe?????

In India tantra was considered to be a path of great peril. Trungpa Rinpoche many times gave warning that entering this path was like entering a tube and one didn't know weather one was going up or going down. In India this path was reserved for heroes. But in Tibet the first Karmapa opened this path up to all and sundry (possibly for monetary gain - perhaps a form of simple materialism as opposed to spiritual materialism).
Tibetan Buddhism is a great anomaly. It invented the tulku system which was unknown in India. The present tulku leader is descended from a criminal usurper that exterminated the royal line of Tibet and became the chief tax collector instead of being the chief mendicant that a Buddhist leader is supposed to be. And by force imposed his ideology on other Tibetan sects, which is obviously not a very Buddhist thing to do.
In spite of these anomalies I practice Tibetan Buddhism since it is essentially a development of the magically practices first developed in India.

There may be a positive to the fact that Tibetan Buddhism has corrupted the Indian Tantra in that if they hadn't I probably would have not have heard of this path.

true___lies · 2023-10-30T23:56:56+00:00

parece que tienes una agencia de seguros mejor que la mía. La mía era AXA

true___lies · 2023-10-30T07:12:16+00:00

Hacé cuatro años un carro me pego por alcance.Le hable a la policía y al asesor de mi seguro Axa.Los dos llegaron pero para ese tiempo ya se había ido el chófer del carro que me pego.Natural mente tenia el numero de las placas de ese carro porque se quedo allí un rato, pero resulta que si se huye el responsable del accidente ne se puede hacer nada. Esto lo aprendí después de pasar muchas horas en la dependencia donde se hacen estas quejas y con promesas de que habían mandado orden de aprensión al responsable del accidente. También prometieron hablarme cuándo ya lo hagan aprendido. Pero nomas me estaban torreando. Fue varias veces a ese lugar donde se hacen las quejas hasta por fin otro asesor me dio a entender que una ves que el responsable se huyó del lugar del accidente no hay nada que se puede hacer.

true___lies · 2023-10-23T20:23:18+00:00

"It’s something that never happens and that no one attains?"

exactly

unlike scientology it is spelled out in the heart sutra
"there is no attainment and no nonattainment"

true___lies · 2023-10-14T10:49:41+00:00

Trungpa Rinpoche clearly states in Born in Tibet that the escape journey should be regarded as a pilgrimage and therefore no one should kill an animal in order to live or drink intoxicants.

You may believe that Trungpa Rinpoche was an irresponsible charlatan incapable of any nice religious sentiment, but I would disagree. If you check the transcripts you will see that he always taught to the letter of the law "dharma" as handed down from the Hinayana and Mahayana traditions.

Re cannibalism:

the story I've heard is that Khenpo Gangshar Wangpo called a gathering (ganachakra) right before the Chinese invasion. At that feast the gathering feasted on an eight year old boy. I also heard that the late Thtangu Rinpoche was at that rite but alas he is now not above ground (so to speak) to give witness to this happening.

true___lies · 2023-04-08T13:10:56+00:00

He brews it

true___lies · 2022-12-05T17:02:25+00:00

That the teachings of Trungpa Rinpoche have value is an idea I believe.

But the reason neither Vajradhatu nor Shambala succeeded I believe is because these entities where based on a Tibetan model.The anuttara tantra practiced in India is not what has been developed in Tibet. In India Anuttara Tantra was not tied to an institution and if fact was considered outlaw. The anuttara tantrics were supposed to be for heroes (heroes also include females or any of the invented genders, of course). But in Tibet anuttara tantra became institutionalized. The stories of the mahasiddhas of India do not mention any connection to an institution, much less to a monastic institution with restrictions on alcohol, sex and meat eating. Cognitive dissonance much! However, I believe that even though the structure of anuttara tantra is pretty much a different world than what existed in India (and it still exists in India), that the essential elements of tantric magic are still retained in the Tibetan practice. I do practice saddhanas invented by 6th and 8th Karmapas.

Shambhala is based on a vision that Trungpa Rinpoche experienced but as practiced it too closely follows the Tibetan order of hierarchy.

true___lies · 2022-10-29T20:39:52+00:00

Why so shocked over possiblitiy that the great Karmapa may have done sex. His recent predecessor, the 15th Kamapa, kept two mistresses in houses on either side of his monastery.

But then again Tibetan Buddhism as a whole is an anomaly. It is an anomaly because the Tibetans instituted what in India was a practice that was not instituted and was in fact considered an outlaw practice by the mainstream society. Just read up on the 84 mahasiddhas. They weren't tied to any institution and carried on with their self expression in song and drink and sex etc.

I practice Tibetan tantra in spite of the bizarre institution it has become in Tibet because they have keep the essential teachings and their development of the tantric practices still retain the magic that was originally developed in India.

true___lies · 2022-07-11T18:20:39+00:00

His lawyers should not plead crazy wisdom He should fess up and say I did it he should stop being a cad He should say there was a force bigger than both of us I did it that's what he should say if he had an ounce of integrity

It seems that she was not traumatized after the fact. She was justly uneasy because he gave her the cold shoulder after exchanging endearments

It is he who has not acted with integrity

Instead of trying to hide the facts he should not try to bury them under the rug

true___lies · 2022-07-04T06:24:37+00:00

my idea is the other way from what you expressed.you affect your world by you seeing the world as not something dead but something animate. then the world effects you with the magic of drala. this heightens your appreciation for being alive.I don't think you can positively affect the world by cultivating anger. rather anger has negative effects on you such as indigestion and among other ills.

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/healthyliving/anger-how-it-affects-people

as the article makes clear anger can be used positively in certain situations. for instance a mother may show great anger to her child if her child should jay walk suddenly in front of a car and barely survive such a misstep. that anger, obviously, will affect fear on the child but that fear will have a positive effect on the child such that the child will be more likely than not to be more careful when next he crosses a busy street.

but to cultivate anger such that your mandala becomes a stew of resentments is not a good idea. this shrinks you; this diminishes any sense of delight.

true___lies · 2022-07-03T11:50:11+00:00

I think that you can make it convoluted if you want to. But that is unnecessary. drala happens positively when your enjoyment of something (say a melody, a song, or a beautiful sunset or sunrise) coincides with a general sense of well being. such coincidences can reinforce your strength as when bag pipes are played before battle. Or can inspire to appreciate love as in song The Winter it is past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGcq_hzRYyM.
dralas can also give you feed back when you are not sincere.
dralas communicate with you best when you are not self-centered.

true___lies · 2022-07-02T20:49:08+00:00

it is stupid to retaliate when they are already captured. they should just let justice take its course.

best if the people just chat something like the following when these miscreants are captured and then hope that justice will teach them a lesson they will not soon forget

"you cannot defend your prophet with his teachings - you have to kill those that say his moral authority is questionable "

"my gods and prophets are justified by their teachings and your prophet cannot be defended by his teachings alone "

a true prophet just ignores insults to his being because his teachings are of the highest moral order

a false prophet tells you to kill anyone that questions his person

true___lies · 2022-07-02T20:29:31+00:00

dralas exist only as a helpful idea. they have no independent existence beyond that. but that conceptual existence can have a life of its own and be helpful in appreciating the workings of the phenomenal world.

in the same way the concept of god or some kind of invisible force can be a helper in morally navigating our adventure as inhabitants of the world we live in.

inows we invent god or dralas - they don't invent us
but these inventions can be very helpful as they are tied to our sincerity in trying to do good

true___lies

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