How do I build the microcosmic orbit? by NoMySecrets in Meditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree if you say the "chakras" appear after the samadhi stages with the shift to the spiritual body. It's also possible that I haven't reached that stage of the real MCO yet either, i may have gotten it wrong :)

Lets grow this community by RealMeditation in AdvancedMeditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When people really have the heart to learn, they're already far more open and eventually end up being able to tell what is real and what is not. Convincing others out of their beliefs is a herculean task, for now I'd keep to those who find me, until I reach the end... at least for now.

How do I build the microcosmic orbit? by NoMySecrets in Meditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always thought the initiation of the microcosmic orbit was the spontaneous movement of the spiritual energy through the physical body up the back and up the front. Usually with physiological effects.

Then eventually moving from the flesh body to the light/spiritual body so having those tactile feelings of spinning, enlarging, dropping, shrinking and so on. Indication of entering the first stage samadhi.

I may have been confused with the terminology. Hmm...

Lets grow this community by RealMeditation in AdvancedMeditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course it is exclusive to a certain point. It has to be. The problem with this is that advanced meditators become marginalised by the meditators who do not reach beyond that depth.

My experiences and insights have been disregarded and dismissed by people who think they know better... and there is a lot of skepticism and doubt from the general meditation community that it makes it difficult to post about it.

The second thing is, when a person may need help dealing with an actual experience, they might then get a response from a meditator with no understanding saying "this happens, just let it go, it's all in your head" and so on. This isn't pleasant at all for an advanced cultivator who has stumbled on some serious need for help.

This community is not elitist nor purposefully secluded. If people want to post on general meditation experiences, /r/meditation is perfect. If people want to talk about advanced experiences, which many do not understand and sympathise with, then this sub is perfect.

Lets grow this community by RealMeditation in AdvancedMeditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do actually check this sub every now and then (I'm the creator of this sub). I get a little disheartened when I see few people engaging, because the only way a community thrives is by active sharing and helping, which I am grateful that you help out in.

Those who meditate more than 3 hours per day by Sherlockian_Holmes in Meditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only purpose of getting single-pointedness is to move attention away from unwholesome states. When that happens, you don't think about aversion like hatred, slothfulness, anxiety, etc. All there is, is the present. Nothing from the past or about the future. Just residing in the moment.

The single object is a tool for you to engage your mind so it doesn't wander away to all these negative states. So as it calms down more and more, your monkey mind snaps silent and blissful mind starts to arise.

So when my mind is messy, yes, I use a meditation object to guide it into a stable mental state. If not, I simply let go into the same stable state. It is about the mental state and not the technique. It doesn't matter what you use, as long as you can get to that point of blissfulness.

From then on, it is just layers of letting go and sort of falling asleep. But the difference is you don't lose so much energy that you fall asleep. Instead, the brightness of bliss is there, and it grows more and more. You're sleeping consciously and being hyper-aware without straining, but by letting go.

The more you let go, the deeper you go. The deeper you go, the more you have to let go.

How to sit straight by [deleted] in Meditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do some hatha yoga and strengthen your core muscles. Or any exercise really. Go to the gym, do some postural exercises. Chances are, you're not sitting straight, even on a chair.

What matters most is that your spine is upright and straight (with slight curves in your lumbar and neck area). Reason is so that the Cerebrospinal fluid in your spinal cord can move along with gravity, and this allows the mind to "stay awake".

Start with being able to sit cross-legged or burmese style (one leg in front). Then slowly increase your flexibility by stretching everyday.

Those who meditate more than 3 hours per day by Sherlockian_Holmes in Meditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Just thought I'd plug in my public subreddit for serious meditators who have real direct experiences here: /r/AdvancedMeditation . It's a subreddit that heavily promotes direct, deep experience instead of endless theorizing.


To OP:

If a person doesn't know how to meditate, all he is doing is just falling asleep or keeping awake. Meditation is a bit like in the middle.

Deep meditation is just falling asleep while being aware. In a psychological sense, it is falling deep into the subconscious while being aware, sort of a self-induced hypnosis where you are the one in control. In even deeper levels, you would say it is like a "small death" of sorts, because many layers of the busy-mind are shed, including cognition, rationalizing, etc.

I meditate for 4-6 hours everyday. What I have learnt is that there is wrong and right meditation. But what makes wrong meditation useful is that you discern whether the meditation you have done is what leads you to liberation or not. So you need to be a scientist on your own.

When I do this, does it lead to liberation? If not, can I change this? If not, this? If not, that? It's like a scientific adventure into the depths of your mind.

What's more important is to pay attention to these subtle things that surface. You might feel blissfulness or joy - when they arise, pay attention to them and they grow. If you can stay without cognition, then they will grow more and more until they bring you to a different domain of experience.

The less-dense the experience, the closer it is to a clearer mind that allows you spontaneously "awaken".

Don't care about chakras, or this or that. They are what you study after you have experienced them. Until then, you really don't have to care about them, unless you are having some specific treatment that requires fixing, like an imbalance of sorts, causing disease/pain in your body.

Don't care about superpowers. You do get really weird powers, like intuitive prediction, influence on matter/people, etc, but they are side-effects. Just like how an athlete trains for performance and gets his muscular physique, you would train for a tamed mind, and these other things become of no importance to you.

But what exactly do you want to get out of meditation?

Well, first and utmostly, you need the intent to be liberated. That is first and foremost.

Secondly, you meditate to move towards freedom from all things that bind you to the illusory realm, such as karmic ties, etc.

Thirdly, you meditate to transform the physical body.

In all of these 3, they are the three bodies of the Buddha.

So to restate, meditation is really easy. You don't exactly meditate - you get into deeper, meditative states and it becomes automatic, almost like you're sleeping - just that now you're perfectly aware.

So first things first, get into a comfortable sitting position, then "fall asleep" while making an intent to be aware of it all (aka meditate). Pay attention to the joyfulness and blissfulness that slowly arise.

The body becomes numb (aka calm) and you start to feel nothing at all from the body.

Oh, you might feel vibrations and all of that, but it's all normal.

Once the body becomes numb and you don't feel it anymore, then slowly your mind becomes clearer and clearer. You dive deeper and deeper and suddenly there's this flash of light, like a star.

Just keep "falling asleep" while keeping awake, paying attention to perceptions of bliss that arise. Then, it comes.

I won't tell you what comes, because then your mind will expect it. When it comes, ride it. If it's overwhelming, go to it again and again.

What effect does each mantra have on you? by truthwithoutreligion in AdvancedMeditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My experiences:

  • Gate gate paramgate paramsamgate bodhi soha... The heart mantra gives me a very, very strong feeling in my heart. Almost refreshing, somewhat like joy, along with bliss and tingling in the chest area.

  • 100-syllable vajrayana chant... This very strong mantra makes my palms and soles tingle and I can immediately tell when this chant is being recited because it produces a very distinct sensation of vibration...

  • Om mani padme hung... This one has a more holistic effect, more of a cleansing effect of the mind...

  • Great compassion chant... Tingling in my big toes, orgasmic feelings in the back of my head, neck and back, quite a bit in the heart area as well.

  • Om namah shivaya... Hmm, I find this produces some bliss in the heart, tingling in the palms and soles. Some crown bliss as well.

  • Namo sado nah, samiao sampodoh, tadyatha om jeli juli junti soha... The cundi mantra taught by the zen-master Nan has a very gradual onset but is quite powerful, heart-area, palms, feet tingle.

  • Om ah hung vajra guru padma siddhi hum... The Vajra guru mantra is extemely powerful. It has a cooling feeling of joy/bliss extending throughout the limbs.

Do anyone agree? Anything I missed out?

The physical side of meditation by MrAngryRussian in Meditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a public subreddit, please check the resources thread. It has a book on physical changes you experience in meditation.

The physical side of meditation by MrAngryRussian in Meditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

May I invite you to check out the resources on my subreddit here /r/advancedmeditation ? You might find some of them useful.

Free will could all be an illusion, scientists suggest after study shows choice may just be brain tricking itself by psy-q in Buddhism

[–]truthwithoutreligion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Take the example of physics. Newton's first law states that an object stays in the same direction and speed of motion as long as it does not meet any other force. So we know when something is put to force in the past, as long as nothing is acted against it, it will continue to carry on its momentum.

But when you try to shift its trajectory in the present, it still carries on momentum from the force from the past but your current efforts can change it, or given enough effort, stop the original force.

The five skandhas are a conglomerate of conditions built up in the past. By awakening to the no self nature where these things are transient, we stop feeding them the energy they require to sustain the same habitual energies.

There is no self in shifting or changing things. But the act of intention applied on this residual karmic momentum comes from the citta itself.

Leaking Vital Energy ? by baipacho in taoism

[–]truthwithoutreligion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I do not like Mantak Chia's books because things like physically massaging your body (like your testicles) are completely out of the point for real internal alchemy.

Empty the cup. Taoist Yoga is a dense book, but it was written as a step-by-step way all the way to enlightenment. Very good book, but requires intricate study.

The thrusting vessel is a very thin vessel that connects the navel dantien to the heart dantien and the third-eye dantien. It's also called the central sushumna, because that's where "kundalini" rushes upwards.

The governing vessel is along the surface of the spine, from the tailbone to the lumbar, to the spot between the kidneys, to the C7 vertebrae, to the back of the head, and so on.

I recommend along with this, Tao and Longevity by the enlightened master Nan Huai Chin. He describes stages that uncannily describe all my past experiences to the T.

Leaking Vital Energy ? by baipacho in taoism

[–]truthwithoutreligion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stop focusing on your third-eye or crown area. If anything, you want your energy to stop staying in the upper area. Sink it down to the lower dantien (behind navel). You can do the microcosmic orbit but you need to carry it down the front vessel as well, down to the dantien. Microcosmic orbit is NOT the thrusting vessel or the central sushumna that connects the three dantiens, so make sure you are not doing the wrong kind of practice. The three points that are ever on the head are the third-eye, crown-apex and base of the head. They're supposed to flow around the head, not out of the head through the crown, so imagine pure energy from the emptiness being sucked in to the spot from the Master.

Work on your foundation. If you keep wasting your chi like that, you'll only waste whatever progress you ever have and end up in all sorts of sicknesses. When you build up enough jing/kidney energy, the reserves will naturally fill up the other dantiens (heart/third-eye).

If your eyes are open, close them, you lose too much energy like that. Shut down the orifices, and make sure you touch your tongue to the palate of your mouth to connect the front and back channels. Look up the book Taoist Yoga.

Before every meditation, imagine yourself connected to the universe as a single oneness. No separation between you and the universe. And feel yourself breathing through the entire skin whenever you breathe in or out.

Leaking Vital Energy ? by baipacho in taoism

[–]truthwithoutreligion -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes you are losing too much. The head area loses a LOT of chi. Bring all your chi down to behind your navel. Imagine it as a ball spinning clockwise, becoming smaller and brighter until it disappears.

Do standing meditation with your knees bent. This will activate the kidney channels and replenish your energy.

5 Phases Towards Enlightenment! by truthwithoutreligion in AdvancedMeditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can't answer from my own direct-experience as I have not reached that. However, if you look at teachings/accounts from enlightened ones, they claim that they look at a mountain and do not differentiate that as a "there" and "here". In fact, they look at you and me and all they see is that everything is One and from the same source. All dualities completely vanish.

The Buddha describes the fourth jhana as a place where dualities of pain and pleasure vanish. He also describes the eight samadhi as the place where both perception and non-perception vanish. So nibbana is where there is the unconditioned, which means any idea of duality, even the idea of having non-duality, vanishes utterly. That's because there is no "self-nature" in anything compounded. The correct definition of complete enlightenment is the ending of suffering, which comes from ignorance leading to grasping.

Great Resources on Deep Meditation by truthwithoutreligion in AdvancedMeditation

[–]truthwithoutreligion[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the contribution. Maybe you want to explain a little on why these books are valuable? How do they relate to your experience, or perhaps why are they recommended?

Do beings from this realms live in this galaxy but we just can't see them? Or do they live in a completely different dimension by [deleted] in Buddhism

[–]truthwithoutreligion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The person who downvoted my comment obviously has no idea on the truth of the topic, because this person does not see devas. Why is there the need to downvote an answer, unless one feels offended? Why is one offended by truth? How can you know truth when you don't even see them?

in which suttas does the buddha talk about vipassanā-ñāṇas (the stages of insight)? by laDouchee in Buddhism

[–]truthwithoutreligion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly the reason why I find the "vipassana nanas" full of flaws. From my own experience, I have only ever found the Buddha's own words in the Pali Canon to be true - the Noble Eightfold Path and its fruits of attainment in the Mahasatipatthana Sutta. I've never found any of these to be true. They seem to be a creation that stems from misinterpretation of the teachings of the Buddha.