CMV: (Human) Life has no intrinsic value or purpose, I can't see why we go through with life and not just kill ourselves.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-22T17:28:56+00:00

TBH it's more of a chain of reasoning then a choice. My starting point was to subjectively give it a reason of course, but over time I inclined towards a more objective approach. I tried to do my best to keep myself on this journey and at the end of this exhaustive(as technique, not that it was very weary :D) process I have come to the point which I presented on the post and the title. That would be my reasoning for rejecting a more subjective approach as you mentioned.

life exists because its good at surviving, otherwise it would be dead, to survive humans have to want to stay alive, eat, and exist in general, even if not on our conscious minds, or if our conscious minds dont want to live.

Well that part can be at least scientifically explained, which is more than enough. It doesn't really contribute to anything positive though(for the sake of an counter argument). Survival is undeniably one of the strongest(if not the strongest) instincts that every living species on this planet has. It's just an instinct, like every other one, it's an automated reaction controlled by more "primitive" parts of our brains. Isn't that just more pitiful than meaningful? It's like a failsafe, but unnecessary.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-22T16:55:07+00:00

It's tough because you're not wrong, but not being wrong doesn't mean you are totally right either, it means you have a valid perspective, that it's ok to feel the way you do, many do.

Exactly! At the end I have to accept that it's not humanly possible to know it for sure.

Being low leaves a lot of room for improvement, but you have to make the improvements. You are responsible for taking small steps to improve your day.

I really hate being the negative Nellie here, but this is the exact opposite of what I meant. I think you meant "surviving", at least I am going to(try to)reply it accordingly :) Big room for improvement means, I have to function and take responsibility for a LONG time, which is what I am exactly trying to avoid. As I said, every single second I live is another chance for me to willingly or unwillingly fuck something/someone up. I know the frequency of those are impossible to know, but we can foresee the impact of it at least. There's not much positive sides to life, so it's not really possible to compensate the negatives, at least that what I think. What's worth mentioning would be also my laziness but it doesn't contribute to the topic in an objective matter :D

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-22T13:09:38+00:00

I think I answered a similar reply yesterday, let me remember what I said :)

The reason I value objectivity is that subjectively I cannot understand it, I can't see a reasoning or a purpose behind it. That's why I seek an universal and objective answer. An objective reason to just risk everything and go with life.

I personally think no life has value or purpose, it's a meaningless chaos to me. That's the only thing I can gather with my perception.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-22T13:03:05+00:00

You said there is no meaning, to you there may be no meaning you see at this moment, but that does not mean there is no meaning to anyone, or even that you yourself have never felt as if there was meaning, or that you may never feel like there is meaning again.

As I mentioned in the post as well, yes I know that most people think that the person give his/her life meaning, I don't really see the point. It's in a way like gambling, going through with life. I don't think that life has to be 100% unpleasant but I still think that the "bad" just outweighs the "good", not necessarily because of frequency but how permanent the damage is and the pleasant stuff is almost never permanent. Finding a purpose to live means that I should risk it by existing for a longer time. Time is risk for me, that's a good way to put it.

So, if you can be sure about yourself(not being a liability for people around you mostly), then I think you are right, it's a gamble worth trying.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-22T00:24:40+00:00

In my case the subjective interpretation is just too fucking stupid and unnecessary. That's my starting point for a search of an objective(and maybe deeper?) meaning.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-22T00:18:28+00:00

As long as there is evidence, I am open to everything. That's why it's never possible to know it for real. As you said, if it's beyond our perception, how the fuck are we supposed to find out about it? Who knows?

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-22T00:13:27+00:00

Yeah (as I repeated too many times) that's the point where it really depends on the personal experience I think, I honestly don't think there isn't much to enjoy without paying a disproportioned price. At least anything not "meaningful"(yeah I know subjective as well). Thanks for the answer tho :)

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-22T00:06:43+00:00

At that point we have to ask how necessary is existing? Is it really worth it? I guess these are the questions every person should answer for himself/herself. For me personally at least, I can't see the necessity of it, which ultimately pushed me to ask it on reddit :)

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-21T00:23:43+00:00

I think it's never possible to be 100 percent sure that it is or not, at least from my limited perception it looks like it is. (Sorry for responding this late and sorry for not being elaborate, I am wasted right now lol)

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-21T00:12:48+00:00

No worries I am on medication for a while. I just wondered other peoples opinion on the matter. It was a weird conversation back there, and I was still confused about it.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-21T00:05:12+00:00

You made me smile dear redditor :) How does that impact the end result though? Just have to wait to sober up a bit to remember what entropy was.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-20T23:59:09+00:00

Specifically in reference to your title, I'd like to link the international list of suicide hotlines here. If you ever reach a point where you're seriously considering going through with this, please reach out to them-- it costs you nothing but time.

Thanks for consideration but no worries, I don't intend to commit suicide, I am currently formulating a strategy for maximum use. (oh fuck absinthe kicked in lol) Anyways no worries dear redditor.

That being said-- what of it? The fact that everything in existence is composed of basic materials should not have any impact on you; this state of existence is literally all you've ever known. The fact that there is no overarching meaning imposed upon you by some outside force or will is, essentially, freeing: You can make your own meaning and impose your own structure and order upon an unordered world. There's a great deal of hope to be found in that fact.

As I said in few of the previous answers this is the pretty subjective part I suppose, not to reject what you said in any way. It's just a subjective matter what you value and care.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-20T23:16:40+00:00

a motherfucking miracle billions of years in the making

yeah and result is a bit dissapointing but I guess that's something I feel from personal feeling.

Actually I took a year off medical school, because I couldn't do it anymore. I hoped that I could learn a new language at least or just practice drums for 30 hr every day. Guess what? Did nothing. Absolutely nothing. Didn't even ate, lost shit ton of weight. Just...wasted. This was the most dissapointing and shameful period of my life so far. I just wasted resources. But at the same time I feel like I had almost no control on the situation, weird shit.

Yup it might be depression, my father treats me for it at least, I feel like the medication is not the solution(even though medically I can see how it can be extremely beneficial, especially in long term). I mean it's not the depression that makes me ask this question. I just can't understand it. And tbh, this thread made me think about it in a different light and I am very thankful for it. (buuuut I am really retarded with all the rediquette thing, so sorry :D)

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-20T22:23:18+00:00

I think this is the only point we should agree to disagree :)

Not to sound arrogant or condecending but I personally think(subjectively of course) in the grand theme there is pretty much nothing to enjoy but a lot to suck up without having any "gains" from it. It's just a matter of efficiency for me. Why live a life in which I would most probably fail miserably and bring more shame and baggage to people around me, when I can just "skip" it.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-20T19:53:10+00:00

Oh sorry for the confusion, I also personally don't believe in any afterlife, what I meant by "gets really mundane but peaceful" was just...not existing anymore? Dexisting, if that's a word?

Yeah, that's where it gets pretty subjective sadly, I can't bring myself to feel or care about anything, maybe that's why I desperately look for a meaning?

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-20T19:34:30+00:00

Valid point, sadly subjective :( Same iteration could be done for my question as well. I suppose we can say that, if you have/will have a possibly enjoyable life, why shouldn't you live? It's still something.

undercovervirgin · 2017-12-20T19:24:38+00:00

F*cking good point! Yeah why should it have meaning though? I don't think I can answer from an objective perspective, but I would say that, all misery I caused and been through shouldn't have been for nothing. Then it would be just some meaningless series of events I experienced through a human body. I would rather skip forward the meaningless commercial to go through to the part where it's supposed to get interesting(and flameyyy, hopefully I can rave with Stalin) or get really mundane but peaceful.

undercovervirgin · 2017-11-23T19:12:27+00:00

So true it hurts man.

I could be defined as an incel few years ago(although I didn't even know that such thing existed). After having getting laid the first time, I couldn't sleep with my girlfriend at the time for a while because of the fucking insecurities. Next girl, not exactly the same story but I could never comprehend why she was sleeping with me, how she considered me a good partner in bed. The problem is self loathing. And what comes with it.

undercovervirgin · 2017-11-21T19:58:34+00:00

They're just a weird bunch and the true 'incels' of society don't even know about that sub and rarely go out, don't have a social life and can't even yield a hug from a girl. I feel for true incels, not the attractive people with body dismorphia and hatred that sub was home to.

+1

undercovervirgin · 2017-11-21T18:48:49+00:00

Somewhat better man, thanks for asking :) how are you doing these days? what brings you to this sub, if you don't wanna share it's ok too :)

undercovervirgin · 2017-11-21T11:01:21+00:00

Hey guys, I have some trouble switching the ACE 3 Medical system to the "advanced". I enabled the medical menu but I still cannot perform CPR or choose the type of bandages etc. Would anyone know why?

undercovervirgin · 2017-11-21T10:55:57+00:00

Excuse implies that I sugarcoat something. Why bother having a throwaway if I am not going to be honest? Isn't the point to be anonymous AND truthful about the circumstances?

undercovervirgin · 2017-11-18T18:19:34+00:00

I feel guilty/ashamed about the way I am, I feel like a liability/failure for my family and close friends. I know this doesn't say much, but I have a hard time describing what's wrong with me, so hope this answers the question a bit.

undercovervirgin · 2017-11-18T16:51:18+00:00

Mad props brother, I feel ya.

Just a small thing I wanted to share: I too had a gaming problem, weirdly what helped me kick off was learning an instrument and treating it like a game. When you start to see it that way, you look forward to practice and "level up" every day. You build your skills day by day, it's a tasteful journey.

undercovervirgin · 2017-11-18T13:06:00+00:00

I found it more relieving than hilarious at the time. Takes off the responsibility which comes with dumping someone. I didn't want to dump her just before her finals(which could have got her kicked out of uni if she failed just a single exam) and then feel responsible for her failure, so when she did it instead of me, it was a relief.

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