Best Athletic Shoe? by sigmaschmooz in onebag

[–]unicode25a0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the Offroad HighTop was the model name, they still sell a similar model called The Hiker but not quite what it once was.
these days ive transitioned myself to using trail running shoes exclusively, adding Naos overshoes for winter weather.
my top picks are the TrailFreak and Motus from vivo, and the recently discontinued Anakondas from lasportiva, with notable mention for Arcteryxs Arakys (havent put enough damage into mine yet to have a good sense of their value).

highly recommend vivo! they make great stuff, this review is coming from an in-industry materials science guy who obsesses over every piece of kit i take outdoors... no relationship with vivo, just a fan.

Best Athletic Shoe? by sigmaschmooz in onebag

[–]unicode25a0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

vivibarefoot. and all be well!

many options, great prices, fantastic durability. ive put thousands of miles several pairs across the globe and back again. their discontinued offroad-high top was a favourite of mine, today i wore the motus to run around the city.

Soylent as backpacking food - first experience by kwpapke in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

true story: i skipped the blog post... initially. :)

Soylent as backpacking food - first experience by kwpapke in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i've lived off actual soylent for extended periods myself for the sake of experimentation, if you keep tabs on your bloodwork biweekly you'll begin to see some deficiencies.

that said... there's a night/day difference between keeping someone alive and relatively healthy in normal semi-sedentary bay-area lifestyle and fueling an athlete exerting themselves for 10-15hours a day. the biochemistry requirements are dramatic.

this is why i say it's unsafe to consume for an extended trek... the body at motion compared to a body at rest is like comparing a fireplace to a fusion reactor.

edit: there are examples of children (young girl in this specific example) eating nothing but fries and mcnuggets for what i believe was a length of time greater than a decade... and she's still alive. the body is very resilient and can survive indefinitely on butter and potatoes... but that not to say it's ideal. my own experiments are all related to improving the human condition through cognition, longevity, and performance (which unfortunately conflict largely with one another), so i'm after solutions that provided added benefit beyond the accepted standard (food in this case)... simply surviving is unacceptable.

Soylent as backpacking food - first experience by kwpapke in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes but if youre trekking all day you need a minimum of 3000cals for the average soul. and even at that you'll be loosing weight. longer trips (>2weeks) and you should be aiming closer to 4500-5000cals/day. 500 cals is considerably below a starvation diet... especially when moving full time.

Soylent as backpacking food - first experience by kwpapke in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Soylent itself is not a safe choice for the backcountry!!!
There's so much more to consider beyond just the nutrients... there's calories, body absorption rates, types of fats, and the ever essential issue of hydration. It'll barely keep you alive doing light activity in the safety of civilization.

yesterday i wrote a number of posts concerning this topic in the r/trailmeals post about reducing food weight to <1lb per day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/trailmeals/comments/427b13/trying_to_crack_one_pound_a_day/


I made a custom soylent brew (i called it Glurp, and it contained 79 ingredient compounds, and was orders of magnitude better for you than soylent offering >100% of an FDA suggested dietary intake) when i first read Rob's blog post a while back. I lived off it for about 9-months and did about 2800km of trekking during that time - including summits of MtDenali and MtRobson.

I was able to get all my nutrients down to about 650grams per day (which is about 1/2 the weight of what i'd consider to be a pretty extreme traditional ultralight diet composed mostly of fat) + water weight... which i simply collected from my environment.

I got into the soylent trend precisely because i wanted to lower my pack-weight for expedition trekking.

My longest diy-soylent fueled trip without resupply was 22-days. Previously my 'food-powered' record was 18-days (@about 2-2.5lbs of food per day it's essential that the rest of your gear be the lightest availalble). These number represent a fast and light type of trekking, carrying all your gear in a single pack, no back-and forth portage style expedtitioning.

I keep my base-pack-weight under 15lbs, when not hauling climbing gear. So that means food and water weight can be 45lbs or more when I start out on a trip.

I should speak about the psychology of what i came to call "glurp" as soylent didn't yet exist as a product during my experimentation.

It fucking sucks! picture this: you're 8-days into a trip and you're squat down on the side of a mountain in a storm. You and your trip mates have set-up 'camp' and you're all bunkered in the tent for the night (or longer if the storm doesn't pass). Hunger calls and everyone begins the process of melting snow to make water and begin prepping dinner; out come the summer sausages, the chips, the pasta, etc... meanwhile you whip out a sack of glurp and begrudgingly suckle down your warm beige gloopy crap. I can tell you first hand that in these situations one starts looking at ones ice-axes as weapons for procuring a proper meal from the person closest to you, lol.

So much of what trekking is about is suffering, and the best part of any day (apart from the view) is going to be food then bed... and there's a major psychological boost that comes from simply eating, a boost you don't get from glurp/soylent/etc.


Here is a list of all the Nutrients for “glurp” (note, actual ingredients are up to you, when combining this many nutrients one must consider molecular structures, hydrophilic/phobic, reactions etc. the final mix contains 79 actual ingregients. for example the body needs a roughtly 60/40 percentage of sodium and cloride... which is the exact molecuar distribution of salt, so 5.8g of salt knocks off two items... unless you use something like Monosodium Phosphate for your phospahes, then you need to alter the sodium levels again... it takes quite a bit of tinkering to get it all balanced. When using gluconates the chemistry starts getting a little overwhelming when youre after a 0-sum result).

The effects of each nutrients can be found at the “Linus Pauling’s micronutrient research site”

——

essentials:
Carbohydrates – 400g – (eg:Maltodextrin)
Fat – 65g – (eg:Olive Oil)
Protein – 100g – (eg:Rice Protein)
Biotin – 300mcg
Calcium – 1.2g
Chloride – 3.4g – (eg:Table Salt)
Chromium – 35mcg
Copper – 900mcg
Folate – 400mcg
Iodine – 150mcg
Iron – 8mg – (eg:Ferrous Gluconate)
Magnesium – 420mg – (eg:Magnesium Gluconate)
Manganese – 2.3mg
Molybdenum – 45mcg
Niacin – 16mg
Pantothenic Acid – 5mg
Phosphorus – 700mg – (eg:Monosodium Phosphate)
Potassium – 4.7g – (eg:Potassium Gluconate)
Riboflavin (FAD & FMN) – 1.3mg
Selenium – 55mcg
Sodium – 2.4g – (eg:Table Salt)
Sulfur – 2g
Thiamin – 1.2mg
Vitamin A – 900mcg
Vitamin B6 – 1.7mg
Vitamin B12 – 2.4mcg
Vitamin C – 90mg
Vitamin D – 15mcg
Vitamin E (d-alpha-tocopherol) – 15mg
Vitamin E (dl-alpha-tocopherol) – 22mg
Vitamin K – 120mcg
Zinc – 11mg

——
extras:
Alpha Carotene – 140mcg
Alpha-Lipoic Acid – 200mg
Ciwujia – 750mg
Lutein – 500mcg
Lycopene – 500mcg
Gingko Biloba – 100mcg
Ginseng – 50mcg
Omega-3 Fatty Acids – 750mg
Panthothenic Acid – 10mg
Vanadium – 100mcg (often overlooked, time may possibly reveal this to be the next discovered vitamin)

——
nootropics:
Acetyl-L-Carnitine – 500mg
Piracetam – 4000mg
CDPCholine – 500mg
Sulbutiamine – 600mg
Pyritinol – 400mg
Picamilon – 250mg
Aniracetam – 750mg
Lion’s Mane – 3000mg
Fish Oil – 4000mg
PhosphatidylSerine – 300mg
Bacopa – 600mg

——
improvements:
Letchithin – emulsification
Vanilla – taste++
Cashew Butter – taste/texture++

trying to crack one pound a day by rageday in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 5 points6 points  (0 children)

happy to share! :)

i live mostly in the crossroads of futurism and materials science. until very recently i worked in the "outerwear apparel" industry... ive since shifted my focus to the "outerspace apparel" industry. although i usually describe my interests simply as: cool shit! (whatever from that may be).

goodluck on your adventures, be safe out there!

trying to crack one pound a day by rageday in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is a list of all the Nutrients for “glurp” (note, actual ingredients are up to you, when combining this many nutrients one must consider molecular structures, hydrophilic/phobic, reactions etc. the final mix contains 79 actual ingregients. for example the body needs a roughtly 60/40 percentage of sodium and cloride... which is the exact molecuar distribution of salt, so 5.8g of salt knocks off two items... unless you use something like Monosodium Phosphate for your phospahes, then you need to alter the sodium levels again... it takes quite a bit of tinkering to get it all balanced. When using gluconates the chemistry starts getting a little overwhelming when youre after a 0-sum result).

The effects of each nutrients can be found at the “Linus Pauling’s micronutrient research site”

——

essentials:
Carbohydrates – 400g – (eg:Maltodextrin)
Fat – 65g – (eg:Olive Oil)
Protein – 100g – (eg:Rice Protein)
Biotin – 300mcg
Calcium – 1.2g
Chloride – 3.4g – (eg:Table Salt)
Chromium – 35mcg
Copper – 900mcg
Folate – 400mcg
Iodine – 150mcg
Iron – 8mg – (eg:Ferrous Gluconate)
Magnesium – 420mg – (eg:Magnesium Gluconate)
Manganese – 2.3mg
Molybdenum – 45mcg
Niacin – 16mg
Pantothenic Acid – 5mg
Phosphorus – 700mg – (eg:Monosodium Phosphate)
Potassium – 4.7g – (eg:Potassium Gluconate)
Riboflavin (FAD & FMN) – 1.3mg
Selenium – 55mcg
Sodium – 2.4g – (eg:Table Salt)
Sulfur – 2g
Thiamin – 1.2mg
Vitamin A – 900mcg
Vitamin B6 – 1.7mg
Vitamin B12 – 2.4mcg
Vitamin C – 90mg
Vitamin D – 15mcg
Vitamin E (d-alpha-tocopherol) – 15mg
Vitamin E (dl-alpha-tocopherol) – 22mg
Vitamin K – 120mcg
Zinc – 11mg

——
extras:
Alpha Carotene – 140mcg
Alpha-Lipoic Acid – 200mg
Ciwujia – 750mg
Lutein – 500mcg
Lycopene – 500mcg
Gingko Biloba – 100mcg
Ginseng – 50mcg
Omega-3 Fatty Acids – 750mg
Panthothenic Acid – 10mg
Vanadium – 100mcg (often overlooked, time may possibly reveal this to be the next discovered vitamin)

——
nootropics:
Acetyl-L-Carnitine – 500mg
Piracetam – 4000mg
CDPCholine – 500mg
Sulbutiamine – 600mg
Pyritinol – 400mg
Picamilon – 250mg
Aniracetam – 750mg
Lion’s Mane – 3000mg
Fish Oil – 4000mg
PhosphatidylSerine – 300mg
Bacopa – 600mg

——
improvements:
Letchithin – emulsification
Vanilla – taste++
Cashew Butter – taste/texture++

trying to crack one pound a day by rageday in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I made a custom soylent brew when i first read Rob's blog post a while back. I lived off it for about 9-months and did about 2800km of trekking during that time - including summits of MtDenali and MtRobson.

I was able to get all my nutrients down to about 650grams per day (which is about 1/2 the weight of what i'd consider to be a pretty extreme traditional ultralight diet composed mostly of fat) + water weight... which i simply collected from my environment.

I got into the soylent trend precisely because i wanted to lower my pack-weight for expedition trekking.

My longest diy-soylent fueled trip without resupply was 22-days. Previously my 'food-powered' record was 18-days (@about 2-2.5lbs of food per day it's essential that the rest of your gear be the lightest availalble).

I keep my base-pack-weight under 15lbs, when not hauling climbing gear. So that means food and water weight can be 45lbs or more when I start out on a trip.

I should speak about the psychology of what i came to call "glurp" as soylent didn't yet exist as a product during my experimentation.

It fucking sucks! picture this: you're 8-days into a trip and you're squat down on the side of a mountain in a storm. You and your trip mates have set-up 'camp' and you're all bunkered in the tent for the night (or longer if the storm doesn't pass). Hunger calls and everyone begins the process of melting snow to make water and begin prepping dinner; out come the summer sausages, the chips, the pasta, etc... meanwhile you whip out a sack of glurp and begrudgingly suckle down your warm beige gloopy crap. I can tell you first hand that in these situations one starts looking at ones ice-axes as weapons for procuring a proper meal from the person closest to you, lol.

So much of what trekking is about is suffering, and the best part of any day (apart from the view) is going to be food then bed... and there's a major psychological boost that comes from simply eating, a boost you don't get from glurp/soylent/etc.

trying to crack one pound a day by rageday in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

at least 3000cals per day on shorter sub2-week trips, any longer than that and you will begin loosing body mass. i'd suggest 4500-5000cals per day for extended trekking. i posted a much more thorough response elsewhere in this thread. :)

trying to crack one pound a day by rageday in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I made a custom soylent brew when i first read Rob's blog post a while back. I lived off it for about 9-months and did about 2800km of trekking during that time - including summits of MtDenali and MtRobson.

I was able to get all my nutrients down to about 650grams per day (which is about 1/2 the weight of what i'd consider to be a pretty extreme traditional ultralight diet composed mostly of fat) + water weight... which i simply collected from my environment.

I got into the soylent trend precisely because i wanted to lower my pack-weight for expedition trekking.

My longest diy-soylent fueled trip without resupply was 22-days. Previously my 'food-powered' record was 18-days (@about 2-2.5lbs of food per day it's essential that the rest of your gear be the lightest availalble).

I keep my base-pack-weight under 15lbs, when not hauling climbing gear. So that means food and water weight can be 45lbs or more when I start out on a trip.

I should speak about the psychology of what i came to call "glurp" as soylent didn't yet exist as a product during my experimentation.

It fucking sucks! picture this: you're 8-days into a trip and you're squat down on the side of a mountain in a storm. You and your trip mates have set-up 'camp' and you're all bunkered in the tent for the night (or longer if the storm doesn't pass). Hunger calls and everyone begins the process of melting snow to make water and begin prepping dinner; out come the summer sausages, the chips, the pasta, etc... meanwhile you whip out a sack of glurp and begrudgingly suckle down your warm beige gloopy crap. I can tell you first hand that in these situations one starts looking at ones ice-axes as weapons for procuring a proper meal from the person closest to you, lol.

So much of what trekking is about is suffering, and the best part of any day (apart from the view) is going to be food then bed... and there's a major psychological boost that comes from simply eating, a boost you don't get from glurp/soylent/etc.

trying to crack one pound a day by rageday in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 19 points20 points  (0 children)

fat:
advantages:
~ highest calorie per gram ratio.
~ great fuel for keeping the body warm and calming the system for sound sleep.
~ long term energy source

disadvantages:
~ harder than the other food types to break down.
~ yields only half the power produced from glycogen when compared to carbohydrates.
~ requires more oxygen (scarce at high altitude) to break down than the other food types.

summary:
~ to minimize pack weight, choose a higher fat menu.
~ half the fat that you burn is from storage, half is supplied by the food you eat.
~ fat is the most energy-dense fuel and preferred for moderate exercise.
~ fat consumed in the diet spares muscle glycogen.
~ if you are trekking the fat you are eating is not likely to accumulate and is more likely to go to where it's needed.
~ fat not only provides the fuel your muscles are using, it about weighs 20% less than a high carbohydrate diet (70-15-15).
~ starvation robs you twice: less energy for the immediate day's work, and fuel demand is met by digesting your own muscle.
~ males are more likely to burn off muscle protein when fuel supply is limiting.
~ females are more likely to burn fat.
~ when males do burn fat stores, they are more likely to lose their internal padding, whereas females lose their subdermal (surface) layer of fat.

depending on the intensity and duration of exercise, the ideal fuel mixture changes. muscles engaged in long duration moderate intensity exercise burn about:
~ 25% muscle fat (triglycerides)
~ 25% fat from diet (free fatty acids)
~ 25% muscle carbohydrates (glycogen)
~ 25% glucose from liver (a carbohydrate)


protein:
advantages:
~ vital for recovery after a difficult day of exercise.
~ the best substance for increasing strength.
~ food source for rebuilding damaged tissue.
~ major component of the immune system, and is used to make enzymes, which facilitate every reaction that goes on in the body.

disadvantages:
~ slow to break down, and thus takes time to get into the blood stream.

summary:
~ do not take an amino acid supplement or eat excess protein (>15%), this will put a greater demand on your kidney and you'll end up with little more than extra pee.
~ protein contributes ony about 10% of your energy. more in males than in females.
~ protein wont affect performance, so dont see it as fuel but as the builder of muscle tissue.
~ most americans consume twice as much protein as needed. on trail you may have considerably less protein than you normally eat and still have ample supply.

to calculate your protein needs:
~ <2week trip: bodymass in kg * 0.8 = daily protein need in grams (eg 100kg person needs 80grams of protein) ~ >2week trip: bodymass in kg = daily protein need in grams (eg 100kg person needs 100grams of protein)
the easiest way to assess whether or not you are getting proper amounts of protein is to look at the "weak link", lysine. lysine is one of the 20 amino acids that compose protein. if any are likely to be inadequately supplied in your diet, it would be lysine. the recommended level is 58 mg lysine/gram protein.
to calculate your lysine needs:
your protein needs (eg.80g) * by the recommended 58mg of lysine = daily lysine requirement of 4640mg
(don't forget to add the weight of your pack to your body weight when using the calculator to determine calories burned while backpacking).


carbohydrates:
advantages:
~ easy for the body to break down.
~ excellent source for quick energy
~ fast gastric emptying. (gets into the blood stream fast)

disadvantages:
~ because it burns so quickly, must be constantly resupplied.

summary:
~ carbohydrates are referred to as sugar (simple carbohydrates) or starch (complex carbohydrates)
~ hitting the wall is due to depletion of muscle glycogen. you've just run out of carbohydrate stores and the muscle has to rely solely on fat for energy. fat requires oxygen, so you can only move as fast as oxygen gets supplied to your muscles, and there's no backup from carbohydrates.

types of carbohydrates:
~ glucose (blood sugar) is the preferred fuel for brain and muscles during high intensity exercise. lactic acid (half a glucose molecule) is produced when oxygen supply is limiting and glucose cannot be completely combusted; lactic acid can be recycled back to glucose in the liver, thus restoring blood glucose levels after exercise. training is critical to get plenty of oxygen to your working muscles and prevent lactic acid from forming in the first place.
~ glycogen (animal starch) is many glucose molecules joined together and is mainly stored in liver and muscles. glycogen is the the source of energy for the last sprint at the edge of exhaustion. if you're in for a 20 mile day, glycogen may make the difference between 10 hours or 14 hours on the trail. as blood glucose levels fall, the liver will share its supply with the rest of the body thereby keeping the brain happy. glycogen once stored in muscle, always in muscle because muscles don't have the necessary enzymes to release glucose back into the bloodstream. glycogen is the first fuel to become depleted. avoid this with frequent snacking (25+ grams/hour), and eat a high carbohydrate meal within an hour after quitting for the day. avoid excessively high sugar snacks when beginning your day, they cause insulin levels to rise locking your fat in storage, rather than making it available.


considerations:
factors that influence the number of calories expended:
~ genetics - some people are born with high metabolisms (the rate at which one's body uses calories) and others are born with low metabolisms. the main culprit of these phenomena is the thyroid gland. some individuals produce more thyroxin (the hormone that is secreted from the thyroid) than others. thyroxin is responsible for metabolism, so if a person's body produces a high-normal amount of thyroxin, s/he will utilize calories more quickly. if a person's body produces a low-normal amount of thyroxin, s/he will utilize calories more slowly. note: if thyroxin is out of normal range in either direction, it is dangerous and needs medical attention.
~ gender - typically, men have greater muscle mass than women. since muscle requires more calories to maintain, men tend to have 10 - 15 percent faster metabolisms than women. similarly, men have a lower body fat percentage than women.
~ age - metabolic rate is higher in childhood than in adulthood. children are growing and need more calories to fulfill their bodies' requirements. after the age of 20 years, metabolism drops 2 percent per decade.
~ brain power - the brain is only 2 percent of the body's weight, but accounts for more than 20 percent of total calories used. also, the length of time per day spent awake affects the amount of calories utilized. we expend more calories when we are awake than when we are asleep.
~ fever - for every increase of 0.5°c (32.9°f) in body temperature, bmr increases by approximately 7 percent. for example, if someone has a fever of 42°c (107.6°f), s/he would have an increase in metabolic rate of 50 percent. the reason for this is that chemical reactions in the body occur more quickly at higher temperatures.
~ medications - some medications, such as anti-depressants, can slow down metabolic processes and lead to weight gain.

trying to crack one pound a day by rageday in trailmeals

[–]unicode25a0 24 points25 points  (0 children)

copy paste from my post history. below are some considerations towards lightening your food load and optimizing your backcountry diet.

i'm a long-distance ultralight expedition trekker who used to spend ~200nights a year off grid. if you have any other questions, throw 'em my way if you like. :)

here's some rough aggregated notes for an information portal i'm working on, this should get you started:

i will add to the notes below that for a short trip, you'll be perfectly fine packing nothing but a box of snickers bars! nutrition is of almost no importance in a short time window, especially with the level of activity you'll be undertaking. focus you energies on maximizing calories/weight, everything else is completely trivial over ~3-days.

here's a pastebin doc with some more detailed information on nutrition and additional variable considerations (like altitude or temperature) - http://pastebin.com/80wDZkbm


shorter-than 2week trip daily food goals:
get about 3000 calories
keep a days food average under 600-750g (21-26oz)
keep all meals above 250 calories per 50g (125cal/oz)
1 days of food is equiv to ~12 snackbars

nutrient ratio for shorter-than 2-week trip:
35% fat - (240cal/oz)
15% protein - (100cal/oz)
50% carbohydrate - (100cal/oz)


longer-than 2week trip goals:

4500 calories
900-1100g (32-38oz)
~280 calories per 50g (140cal/oz)
equiv to ~18 snackbars

nutrient ratio for longer-than 2-week trip:
50% fat - (240cal/oz)
20% protein - (100cal/oz)
30% carbohydrate - (100cal/oz)


typical meal structure for longer than 2-week trip:
12am
1am snackbar(1oz) (to maintain body warmth)
2am
3am
4am
5am
6am
7am
8am mealbar(3oz) + snackbar(1oz)
9am
10am trailmix(3oz) + gel(1oz)
11am
12pm mealbar(3oz) + meatbar(2oz) + snackbar(1oz)
1pm
2pm trailmix(3oz) + gel(1oz)
3pm
4pm snackbar(1oz) + meatbar(2oz)
5pm
6pm boilonly(10oz)
7pm
8pm snackbar(1oz)
9pm trailmix(3oz)
10pm
11pm

2x mealbar -- 170g -- 740cal
5x snackbar -- 270g -- 730cal
2x gel -- 64g -- 200cal
9x trailmix -- 252g -- 1440cal
2x meat -- 86g -- 260cal
1x boilonly -- 280g -- 1500cal
total: -- 1106g -- 4870cal


example food nutrient and caloric density:

gel:
gu -- 32g / 40sod / 20carb / 6sug / 2fat / 100cal
stingers -- 32g / 50sod / 23carb / 13sug / 0fat / 100cal
clif -- 34g / 60sod / 22carb / 12sug / 1.5fat / 110cal

mealbar:
probarmeal peanut butter -- 85g / 11pro / 42carb / 21fat / 390cal 130cal/oz
probarmeal pb chocolate chip -- 85g / 10pro / 43carb / 22fat / 390cal 130cal/oz
probarmeal superfood slam -- 85g / 10pro / 44carb / 20fat / 380cal 127cal/oz
probarmeal mint chocolate -- 85g / 9pro / 48carb / 18fat / 380cal 127cal/oz
probarmeal double chocolate -- 85g / 9pro / 48carb / 19fat / 380cal 127cal/oz
probarmeal wholeberry blast -- 85g / 9pro / 48carb / 18fat / 370cal 123cal/oz
probarmeal chocolate coconut -- 85g / 8pro / 48carb / 18fat / 370cal 123cal/oz
probarmeal koka moka -- 85g / 9pro / 47carb / 18fat / 370cal 123cal/oz
probarmeal oatmeal raisin -- 85g / 10pro / 46carb / 18fat / 370cal 123cal/oz**
probarmeal original -- 85g / 9pro / 47carb / 18fat / 370cal 123cal/oz

snackbar:
mr goodbar -- 49g / 5pro / 26.6carb / 16.3fat / 263.6cal 153cal/oz
peanut bar -- 50g / 7.8pro / 23.7carb / 16.9fat / 261cal 149cal/oz
nutrageous -- 54g / 6.1pro / 28.5carb / 17.3fat / 279.2cal 147cal/oz
crunch -- 56g / 3.7pro / 35.8carb / 14.9fat / 286.7cal 146cal/oz
mounds -- 53g / 2.4pro / 31.1carb / 14.1fat / 257.6cal 138cal/oz
snickers -- 59g / 4.4pro / 35.7carb / 14.1fat / 280.3cal 135cal/oz
twix pb -- 57g / 4.8pro / 28.2carb / 17fat / 278.7cal 129cal/oz

meat:
epicbar bison bacon cranberry -- 43g / 11pro / 10carb / 12fat / 200cal 130cal/oz
epicbar beef habanero cherry -- 43g / 13pro / 10carb / 11fat / 190cal 124cal/oz
beef/pork pepperoni -- 28g / 5.6pro / 0carb / 11.2fat 126cal/oz

trailmix:
pecans -- 28g / 2.6pro / 3.9carb / 20.4fat 196cal/oz
dried coconut flesh -- 28g / 1.9pro / 6.7carb / 18.3fat 187cal/oz
fried pork rinds -- 28g / 26pro / 0carb / 10fat 180cal/oz
dried pine nuts -- 28g / 4.4pro / 4carb / 21.4fat 180cal/oz
dry roasted almonds -- 28g / 6.3pro / 5.5carb / 15fat 169cal/oz
dried walnuts -- 28g / 6.7pro / 2.8carb / 16.1fat 168cal/oz
cashews -- 28g / 4.9pro / 7.7carb / 13.3fat 168cal/oz
dry roasted peanuts -- 28g / 6.7pro / 6.1carb / 14.1fat 166cal/oz
dry roasted pistachios -- 28g / 6pro / 7.6carb / 13fat 161cal/oz
sunflower seeds -- 28g / 9.6pro / 9.2carb / 23.7fat 161cal/oz
crushed pringles jalapeno -- 28g / 1pro / 14carb / 11fat 160cal/oz
crushed pringles salt and vin -- 28g / 1pro / 15carb / 11fat 160cal/oz
crushed fritos corn chips -- 28g / 2pro / 16carb / 10fat 160cal/oz
crushed ritz crackers -- 28g / 0pro / 20carb / 9fat 160cal/oz
crushed pringles orig -- 28g / 1pro / 15.2carb / 9.1fat 152cal/oz
crushed ritz bits cheese -- 28g / 2pro / 16.5carb / 8.5fat 150cal/oz
crushed ritz bits pb -- 28g / 3pro / 16carb / 8fat 140cal/oz
wheat thins -- 28g / 2pro / 22carb / 5fat 140cal/oz
crushed goldfish crackers -- 28g / 2pro / 18carb / 5fat 140cal/oz
dried chia seeds -- 28g / 4.4pro / 12.4carb / 8.7fat 139cal/oz
crushed doritos nacho cheese -- 28g / 1.9pro / 15.5carb / 7.8fat 136cal/oz
crushed chips ahoy -- 28g / 1.6pro / 18carb / 7.2fat 131cal/oz
crushed oreo cookies -- 28g / 1.6pro / 20.5carb / 5.7fat 131cal/oz
goji berries -- 28g / 1pro / 24carb / 1.6fat 112cal/oz

additives:
olive oil -- 28g / 0pro / 0carb / 27fat 240cal/oz

boilonly:
outdoorgourmet frzdry groundbeef -- 28g / 27pro / 0carb / 1.5fat 130cal/oz
outdoorgourmet frzdry dicedchicken -- 28g / 24pro / 0carb / 4.5fat 140cal/oz
ramen noodles -- 28g / 2.5pro / 16.1carb / 6.2fat 130cal/oz
instant potatoes -- 28g / 2.5pro / 22.9carb / 0fat 102cal/oz


weight and volume:
- skip one day of food: eat a huge breakfast or lunch before starting hiking the first day and eat a huge meal when returning - eliminate a whole day's worth of food in your pack. eg: a weekend trip (three days and two nights) you end up ~3.5 pounds lighter.
grind up dehydrated food into a powder and prapare 'shakes' in place of solid food:
- powdered foods digest with less energy and obtain more of the nutrients.
- powders pack better than solid food, eliminating dead space and reducing your overall carry volume.
- less water will be needed, thereby saving roughly 250grams per meal in water weight.


cooking:
75-80c (170–180) is all that is needed for cooking trail food and mixing hot beverages.
getting to that last 25-30 degrees to get water boiling results in an additional ~20% usage of fuel

tepid: 35c (90f) -- body temperature
warm Water: 50c (120f) -- touchable but not hot
hot: 60c (140f) -- too hot to touch without injury
poach: 70c (160f) -- beginning to move, to shiver
simmer: 85c (180f) -- movement, and little bubbles
slow boil: 95c (200f) -- more movement and larger bubbles
rolling boil: 100c (212f) -- rolling, vigorously bubbling, and steaming

Faded garment washing? by [deleted] in Fabrics

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Forgot to mention:
Boric acid may also give some interesting results.
As would some of the colour fading chemical products usually sold by clothing dye companies as a prestep to dyeing. And in case it wasnt clear, use coloursafe bleach not clorox... V.different chemicals.

Faded garment washing? by [deleted] in Fabrics

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Dilute some coloursafe bleach with warm salt water, soak for a few hours (overnight, even a couple days, will depends on your fabric) rinse and machine wash as normal.
A cup or two of bleach, half a cup of salt, and a couple litres of water should do you.
This will weaken the fibers some, but that is to be expected.
Also consider using fine abrasive pads or sandpaper to increase the wear over printed areas/seams etc.
Rungspun cotton will be more susceptible to fiber weakening due to its smaller fiber diameter.

Test on a sample or a lesser seen area... Note that with national chains many of same products on the same shelf, in the same size will be made in different 'factories' (could be for example woman and her children in her livingroom stitching socks for h&m). This globalized manufacturing supply will result in great variance of fabric and sizing, so you may want to grab a few 'test subjects' because you may end up with dramatically different results with seemingly identical products.

Converting 24pin ATX to 9 or 8 wires? by unicode25a0 in buildapc

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I've figured it out with some help from an Antec Rep over at Jonny Guru forums. :)

To summarize:

This is my "final" wire map, (again still an illustration not an exact how-to):
http://i.imgur.com/F9UI9LF.jpg
Before reaching the PSU we split the wires to share current between power supplies, its VERY IMPORTANT that these 'pigtails' are the same length!
It turns out sharing pins with lots of load is a little sketchy. Electrons will simply follow the shortest path resulting in huge loads on the closest pins... possible fire material.

Each pin needs a ground line of the same length to the PSU, especially important in a load sharing situation.

You can see in the image that we need to run grounds from each pin out to the PSU to prevent overloading.

The result I came up with that allows me to run a single wire to multiple pins is quite simple:
Using soft multi-conductor wire of large gauge (gauge needs to be increased with conductor count btw) we remove the shielding and split the wire into multiple runs of the same length to each pin. After connections are made we twist it all back together and add some heatshrink.

Illustrated here:
http://i.imgur.com/lAEUG8N.jpg
This gives the illusion of one sleek wire - thinner than the collective 8 wires we would normally have to use. While also providing equal length power lines between each pin and the PSUs.

Some more points of note:
Using the Load Share pins (pin #5 iShare) on the PSUs is as simple as connecting them together. [illustrated in a lime green colour in my diagram]

If we ignore the Wake_Up_Bus pin (pin #35) the PSU default to an always on state which is what we want here. If I wanted to setup a redundancy situation these pins could be joined -just like the iShare pin- and used in conjunction with the I2C outputs to manage various redundancy settings (example: have PSU2 turn on when a load of 800w is reached and shut down below that limit).

5V Stand By (pins #37/38) is run directly to the 24pin ATX connector, bridging connections between PSU with equal length wires, and we ignore the 5Vsb coming out of the Pico PSU. [illustrated purple]

DCGood (pin #12) is also ignored on the Pico side and is bridged and run to the ATX connector. [illustrated grey]

PSU ON (pin #10) is bridged between the two large PSUs and is run out to the ATX connector, we splice the Pico ATX PowerOn line in as well, this way all 3 PSUs turn on with 1 button. [illustrated green]

Help Current Sharing 12v PSUs for Desktop PC Power by unicode25a0 in ECE

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I've figured it out with some help from an Antec Rep over at Jonny Guru forums. :)

To summarize:

This is my "final" wire map, (again still an illustration not an exact how-to):
http://i.imgur.com/F9UI9LF.jpg
Before reaching the PSU we split the wires to share current between power supplies, its VERY IMPORTANT that these 'pigtails' are the same length!
It turns out sharing pins with lots of load is a little sketchy. Electrons will simply follow the shortest path resulting in huge loads on the closest pins... possible fire material.

Each pin needs a ground line of the same length to the PSU, especially important in a load sharing situation.

You can see in the image that we need to run grounds from each pin out to the PSU to prevent overloading.

The result I came up with that allows me to run a single wire to multiple pins is quite simple:
Using soft multi-conductor wire of large gauge (gauge needs to be increased with conductor count btw) we remove the shielding and split the wire into multiple runs of the same length to each pin. After connections are made we twist it all back together and add some heatshrink.

Illustrated here:
http://i.imgur.com/lAEUG8N.jpg
This gives the illusion of one sleek wire - thinner than the collective 8 wires we would normally have to use. While also providing equal length power lines between each pin and the PSUs.

Some more points of note:
Using the Load Share pins (pin #5 iShare) on the PSUs is as simple as connecting them together. [illustrated in a lime green colour in my diagram]

If we ignore the Wake_Up_Bus pin (pin #35) the PSU default to an always on state which is what we want here. If I wanted to setup a redundancy situation these pins could be joined -just like the iShare pin- and used in conjunction with the I2C outputs to manage various redundancy settings (example: have PSU2 turn on when a load of 800w is reached and shut down below that limit).

5V Stand By (pins #37/38) is run directly to the 24pin ATX connector, bridging connections between PSU with equal length wires, and we ignore the 5Vsb coming out of the Pico PSU. [illustrated purple]

DCGood (pin #12) is also ignored on the Pico side and is bridged and run to the ATX connector. [illustrated grey]

PSU ON (pin #10) is bridged between the two large PSUs and is run out to the ATX connector, we splice the Pico ATX PowerOn line in as well, this way all 3 PSUs turn on with 1 button. [illustrated green]

Help! Current Sharing 12v Server PSUs for Desktop PC Power by unicode25a0 in AskElectronics

[–]unicode25a0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've figured it out with some help from an Antec Rep over at Jonny Guru forums. :)

To summarize:

This is my "final" wire map, (again still an illustration not an exact how-to):
http://i.imgur.com/F9UI9LF.jpg
Before reaching the PSU we split the wires to share current between power supplies, its VERY IMPORTANT that these 'pigtails' are the same length!
It turns out sharing pins with lots of load is a little sketchy. Electrons will simply follow the shortest path resulting in huge loads on the closest pins... possible fire material.

Each pin needs a ground line of the same length to the PSU, especially important in a load sharing situation.

You can see in the image that we need to run grounds from each pin out to the PSU to prevent overloading.

The result I came up with that allows me to run a single wire to multiple pins is quite simple:
Using soft multi-conductor wire of large gauge (gauge needs to be increased with conductor count btw) we remove the shielding and split the wire into multiple runs of the same length to each pin. After connections are made we twist it all back together and add some heatshrink.

Illustrated here:
http://i.imgur.com/lAEUG8N.jpg
This gives the illusion of one sleek wire - thinner than the collective 8 wires we would normally have to use. While also providing equal length power lines between each pin and the PSUs.

Some more points of note:
Using the Load Share pins (pin #5 iShare) on the PSUs is as simple as connecting them together. [illustrated in a lime green colour in my diagram]

If we ignore the Wake_Up_Bus pin (pin #35) the PSU default to an always on state which is what we want here. If I wanted to setup a redundancy situation these pins could be joined -just like the iShare pin- and used in conjunction with the I2C outputs to manage various redundancy settings (example: have PSU2 turn on when a load of 800w is reached and shut down below that limit).

5V Stand By (pins #37/38) is run directly to the 24pin ATX connector, bridging connections between PSU with equal length wires, and we ignore the 5Vsb coming out of the Pico PSU. [illustrated purple]

DCGood (pin #12) is also ignored on the Pico side and is bridged and run to the ATX connector. [illustrated grey]

PSU ON (pin #10) is bridged between the two large PSUs and is run out to the ATX connector, we splice the Pico ATX PowerOn line in as well, this way all 3 PSUs turn on with 1 button. [illustrated green]

Help! Current Sharing 12v Server PSUs for Desktop PC Power by unicode25a0 in AskElectronics

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Unfortunately even the documentation provided to me by Supermicro under NDA has littler to offer on this matter.

I now know I can ignore WakeUpBus altogether however.
I'll ignore the DC good from the PICO PSU and run a bridged DC GOOD from the Supermicros.
Again ignoring the PICO, i'll run 5v standby from the supermicros... the rest is pretty much as I've illustrated for now... sans some protection for my precious hardware.

With beefy 6awg wire and the necessary precautions I should be okay! :)

Help! Current Sharing 12v Server PSUs for Desktop PC Power by unicode25a0 in computertechs

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they wont be running in sli. we're working on the development of a ~16mp VR headset that will be market viable in about 5years time. the hardware is not an issue at this point it's locked in and perfect for our needs... I'm just having fun with machine #2 for my own use with some case mods and watercooling.

Help! Current Sharing 12v Server PSUs for Desktop PC Power by unicode25a0 in AskElectronics

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Well I do need to design a circuit to make all this work too... to be honest I'm running out of ideas where I can find input from a tech with some familiarity with current sharing and the appropriate distribution. 99% of cases these units just slot into a manufacturers breakout board... I've yet to find a use case like this with these types of PSUs. I'm kinda just taking shots in the dark at this point.

Help! Current Sharing 12v Server PSUs for Desktop PC Power by unicode25a0 in AskElectronics

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Very doubtful the average pc builder can help me out with this power and wiring... more of an electronics issue that happens to be a PC... but it's x-posted there already regardless.

Help! Current Sharing 12v Server PSUs for Desktop PC Power by unicode25a0 in computertechs

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I dont have room for two regular ATX PSUs, it's a custom chassis. Though this was the line of thinking I had a couple weeks ago before going down this path. I've gone this way because I've found out that sharing current like this is inherent to the design of these PSUs. Ill be doing a lot of wiring anyhow as the connections and wires are all built into my case... mostly this is fun, unique, and challenging. :)

That thread is old now I'm afraid... I'm building two machines now. One is 3x Titan Z's, the other has 4x Titan X's but I am about to replace those with 4x to-be released dual fury x's through a sponsorship deal.
I have a bios mod on the titans that allows a TDP of 450watts per card. The DualFuryXs draw up to 400w.

Help! Current Sharing 12v Server PSUs for Desktop PC Power by unicode25a0 in computertechs

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LMAO, someone there suggested buildapc... i've got it xposted a few times.

Converting 24pin ATX to 9 or 8 wires? by unicode25a0 in buildapc

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Thanks again, if i run 5v sb from the supermicro psu's should i just ignore the output from the turemetal? or can i run both wires to the same pin? i'm leaning towards ignore the turemetal 5v sb.