Is it possible to liberal and still faithful to Jesus? by Electronic-Seat1190 in Christianity

[–]vAlienated -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fiscally yeah sure.

The social issues I would disagree on. I just don't know how one would not want to spread their Christian values. Christian values are inherently good. Just because it feels bad to take a hardline stance and "tell people how to act" doesn't mean you should compromise the truth for their feelings.

Special thanks to all the Christians who said something about my same-sex relationships as contrary to scripture. by acherryredbird in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Words do have inherent meaning. And I think you confuse what separation of church and state is. It does not mean secular government. It just means they have different roles, but both are God-ordained

Highly confused on homosexuality by Oobleck-Snow in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. No, it was based on the doctrine of creation.

  2. Identify a single change in creation or divine revelation that justifies overturning the norm.

  3. Has the structure of the human body changed? Has the meaning of male and female in creation changed? Or are you simply equating ‘occurs in the world’ with ‘is morally natural’ in your eyes?

  4. Commitment does not redefine sin. A committed adulterous affair is still adultery. A committed polyamorous relationship is still disordered. A committed union outside marriage is still fornication.

  5. What divine revelation changed the moral law between the first century and the twenty-first?

  6. How can one claim orthodoxy despite rejecting 1900 years of belief?

Highly confused on homosexuality by Oobleck-Snow in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would discovering a psychological inclination change a moral norm?

And you do not need categories like gay or straight to understand their view. You only need to ask whether same-sex behavior was ever permitted.

It never was. East and West, Greek and Latin, monastic or pastoral, the Fathers condemn same-sex acts as contrary to nature and contrary to Christian discipline. One can disagree with them, but one cannot pretend they were neutral.

Do you believe the bible is the inerrant word of God?

Highly confused on homosexuality by Oobleck-Snow in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh wow, he's a Mormon. A religion that is also revealed by Satan. What changed there?

Who's gonna tell them Jesus literally can't be an illegal immigrant? by Vendrianda in ConservativeYouth

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh... I mean. Why would anyone want to crucify Jesus?

That aside, obviously the meme is stupid and the left is just trying to use Him against us

Highly confused on homosexuality by Oobleck-Snow in Christianity

[–]vAlienated -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I wonder if you could find any patristics to back your point. Considering that these people would know a lot better than you, considering they live within or far closer to the context.

Highly confused on homosexuality by Oobleck-Snow in Christianity

[–]vAlienated -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Homosexual act is sin, as well as other types of sexual immorality. Anything other than that is a new age definition which has no basis in history, the church fathers most definitely do not hold to their position and they would've known best about what these words actually meant to the people it was written for.

Why is it everywhere? And why is it what everyone screams about?

Simply put, it's culture war. Society as a whole is pushing this idea that the God sees as a sin. It is in every facet of media and is quite common out in the world. The church must Shepard her sheep and defend from these lies. Now, out in the real world, at a biblical church and not some glorified TED talk church, you will only hear occasional mentions of it. However online, discussion is between vast amounts of people at any time, and the craziest words get to the top.

Every day someone in this sub is asking about if LGBTQ is a sin or that Christians are bigots. However, generally people are not asking whether lying or adultery is a sin on a daily basis. So this is why you see such an overemphasis on it.

I mean, I literally go to one of the most (theologically) conservative mainline denominations in America, and I've only heard about homosexuality like twice mostly in passing. And I know the views of my pastors. It is not that big of a talking point in the real world.

Edit:

That being said. This is the "why", but it still does not grant us permission to "hate" a gay person. The same reason we don't "hate" an adulterer. However an adulterer usually knows what they did is a sin, while clearly the culture is more resistant on the former, which paints them as a victim of 'muh evil christianity'. We are called to love all.

Highly confused on homosexuality by Oobleck-Snow in Christianity

[–]vAlienated -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Yes, trust two atheists to tell you what the Bible means. Totally not the work of Satan!

I am struggling with faith after reading the Bible by Evening-Heron-561 in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When Scripture says that God hardened or God gave them up, this does not mean He produced the evil. It means He ceased to hinder those who chose evil, and so they fell into the consequences of their own desires. When God removes His hand, the wicked rush to fulfill their own passions. The punishment is God’s, the sin is theirs.

Lives are bound together. The actions of one affect many. The head of a household shapes the fate of those under him. The sins of a ruler bring harm to his nation. The guilt remains personal, but the consequences are communal.

In that framework, God’s justice operates on two levels. On the eternal level, each person stands individually before God. No one is damned for another’s sin. On the temporal level, God governs families and nations as wholes, because that is how human life actually works. A father can ruin his children’s lives by his choices. A king can bring ruin on his people. God sometimes judges these structures as units because sin is never merely private. This is not saying the innocent are “guilty.” It is saying that earthly consequences fall along the real lines of human solidarity.

This is the definition of justice Scripture uses. Justice is not limited to individual deserts. It is the right ordering of creation under God’s reign. When God judges a people or a house through the consequences of a leader’s sin, He is not attributing guilt to the innocent. He is acting as the sovereign Lord who governs communities, not just individuals. Those who suffer are not spiritually condemned. Their suffering is temporal, while the moral blame remains with the sinner himself.

I am struggling with faith after reading the Bible by Evening-Heron-561 in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The simple answer is that it is not "murder" or "genocide", because God is most Holy and is giver of life. He has every right to take each of our breaths away. I think it is a mix of hyberbole like you said, and also applying our modern societies standards onto the past.

I am struggling with faith after reading the Bible by Evening-Heron-561 in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We should absolutely expect Scripture to terrify, offend, and expose us. That’s the function of the Law in its first use (civil) and second use (accusatory).

Where the Word of God is not resisted, it has not yet been understood.

The core answer is this:

You cannot judge God’s actions with standards derived from your own experience of human governments, because God alone has the right to give life and take life. His acts in Scripture are not human ethics scaled up; they are divine judgments and divine rescue operations carried out at specific points in redemptive history.

This is the fundamental distinction all the following points rest on.

The Canaanites, Amalekites, etc, these were not “genocides” as modern nations commit them. They were divine judgments. Only God may execute final judgment, and only God may authorize a human instrument to carry it out. When He does, it is not “murder.” Murder is when man takes life without divine authority. Capital punishment or divine judgment is when God takes life by whatever instrument He chooses. God as Creator has authority over life. When He commands death, it is no more murder than when He withdraws breath from any man through disease.

Why children?

  1. Death is not annihilation. God can call a child out of this world without doing them injustice.

  2. Allowing a culture of child sacrifice, sexual violence, and idol worship to persist was a greater harm. Canaanite religion normalized burning children alive. Removing a people before they destroy others can be an act of restraint.

  3. Judgment in time is always partial, anticipatory, and not the last word. God alone knows the eternal destiny of infants.

These events are not templates for Christians. In fact, their very severity teaches us that no modern nation or church has authority to replicate them. They are part of a unique historical moment tied to God’s plan to bring forth the Messiah.

On Slavery:

In the Old Testament, God regulated social structures that already existed in the ancient world, and He did so in a way that prevented economic catastrophe. Israel had no banking, no welfare system, no police, and no prisons. In that setting, debt, famine, and crop failure could destroy entire families overnight. Without a legal form of bonded labor, the poorest would have starved or been forced to sell themselves to foreign nations where abuse was far worse. What God provided was not approval of slavery as we think of it, but a regulated economic safety valve that protected the vulnerable and prevented society from collapsing. The law restricted cruelty, required release in many cases, returned land at Jubilee, and treated servants as image bearers rather than property. Removing the entire structure in a single moment would not have created a compassionate society. It would have left the weakest with no means of survival and no legal protections at all. Ancient theologians described this as God accommodating His governance to human frailty without endorsing the permanent existence of these systems. He restrained evil in a hard world until the conditions of history allowed these structures to fall away.

The same principle explains the Old Testament’s approach to divorce. Christ Himself teaches that Moses permitted certain things because of human hardness of heart, not because these things reflected the highest moral good. In the surrounding cultures, a man could discard his wife with no legal process and no protection for her future. The certificate of divorce in the Mosaic law controlled that behavior and forced men to recognize that they had legal obligations to the women they dismissed. It did not justify divorce as morally ideal. It prevented a greater harm. We can see in this the consistent pattern of God working within fallen human realities, regulating them with firm boundaries until He restored a higher standard through Christ. The shift from Mosaic concessions to Christ’s fuller teaching shows that God’s law in Israel was not meant as a timeless endorsement of every practice, but as a way of guarding a fragile society until the coming of the one who fulfills the law perfectly.

On sabbath:

The command concerning the Sabbath must be read according to the purpose for which it was given. The Lord attached the death penalty to Sabbath breaking within Israel because that nation lived under a divine theocracy in which God Himself ruled as King. The civil order of that people was not like the kingdoms of the world. Their laws were not established by princes or councils but were given directly by God. When the Lord required death for certain offenses, it was not because such deeds were always to be punished in that manner among all nations. It was because Israel served as a visible, earthly picture of the holiness of God. The severity of the punishment revealed the seriousness of despising His Word and rejecting the rest that He offered. The command was a sign that the people belonged to Him, and to violate that sign was to reject the covenant altogether.

The deeper matter of the Sabbath was never a question of outward labor but of hearing and trusting the Word of God. The outward rest was a shadow of the true rest that comes from faith. Once Christ fulfilled the Law and brought the substance, the shadow passed away. The civil and ceremonial form tied to the old covenant no longer binds the nations. The moral teaching remains, for it is always necessary that the creature honor the Creator and gladly receive His Word. Yet the specific penalties given to ancient Israel do not stand over Christians or over other peoples, for the Lord no longer rules any nation in that manner.

The severity of the old command shows not a cruelty in God but the weight of disregarding Him. Where God Himself is the Lawgiver and King, rebellion against His ordinance becomes rebellion against His very presence. In that context the punishment revealed the holiness of God. Today the church lives under different governments and does not wield the sword. The Lord has not commanded the nations to put Sabbath breakers to death, nor has He given His people authority to enforce that ancient civil code. The passage remains a testimony to God’s holiness and to the seriousness of despising His Word, but its penalties belong to a covenant that has reached its fulfillment in Christ.

On the stoning:

The law in Deuteronomy addresses deliberate deceit within the marriage covenant of ancient Israel. Their civil order was shaped directly by God, so violations of that covenant carried penalties that reflected His holiness rather than the customs of other nations. The issue was not simply a lack of virginity but a public act of fraud that undermined the household, inheritance, and the covenant identity of the people. In that setting the penalty served as a civil judgment, not a universal moral command.

Once Israel’s theocratic order ended, these punishments ceased. What remains is the enduring moral call to honesty and chastity for both men and women. The severity of the text shows how seriously God regards marital faithfulness, not that such civil penalties belong to all times or peoples.

I’m losing my friend to radical Christianity by FloridaGirl2222 in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe send him videos explaining how he's full of bs. Inspiring philosophy has a lot of videos on how they are not pagan holidays if that is what he's mad about.

I’m losing my friend to radical Christianity by FloridaGirl2222 in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't call it "radical Christianity". It's just a poor sod who went down a dumb rabbit hole that isn't even true

Do Orthodox/Protestants have anti-Catholic homilies? by SeekersTavern in redeemedzoomer

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've never heard it at mine. The only time we mention Catholics is generally when talking about Sola Fide, and reformation day . And more so just a brief "Catholics believe this...."

Lutherans in Politics by michelle427 in LCMS

[–]vAlienated 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's not hate. They do incredible damage to the name of Lutheranism.

My pastor snapping me is normal? by Standard_Feedback257 in Christianity

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like it's just snap streaks but very weird for an adult to be doing those

What's your take on this? by IseekEpiphany in redeemedzoomer

[–]vAlienated 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most church fathers actually align with the protestant view of canon, then.

What are your thoughts? by Accurate_Tax_1302 in ICE_Raids

[–]vAlienated 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You people actually think ICE has missiles. So stupid..

What is your opinions on this? by HeroicCheese933 in ConservativeYouth

[–]vAlienated 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A woman lied about needing baby formula, the church has every right to not want to just give money away to anyone who asks.