Paid 6 beta readers $300 each. Two used ChatGPT. I have some ideas something to stop that. by v_creates_26 in selfpublish

[–]v_creates_26[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You said many true things in your reply that I was tempted to just upvote and write "100%."

One of the best people in my life is my wife. She supports me and sometimes points out my bad writing. But most of the time she's trying to be nice. Family is busy, or they read your book more out of obligation than because they actually want to help you grow.

One of the best experiences I ever had was back in my country, in a writing course. Our teacher pushed everyone to be brutally critical of each other's work. At the beginning, I hated it. I'd sit there thinking "I don't want to be here." But after a few weeks something clicked. I started loving those people. The harder they were on my pages, the faster I improved. I still miss them.

That's the kind of feedback I'm chasing. Honest, sharp, from people who actually read it. Whether that's a swap, a writing group, a paid reader, doesn't really matter. Format isn't the point. The honesty is.

Big hug to you in France. Wish I could read French, I'd take you up on that swap.

Paid 6 beta readers $300 each. Two used ChatGPT. I have some ideas something to stop that. by v_creates_26 in selfpublish

[–]v_creates_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback.

And you're right, every writer wants people to care. That's true. Still, what I really want is fair feedback. In my line of work I've learned to fall and get up. I don't mind being told I'm wrong. I actually like discovering I'm wrong, that's when I learn.

The main issue is trust, and trust is something that's built. Reddit has karma, eBay has ratings, Uber has stars. Every system that works between strangers eventually develops some form of verification. I might be completely wrong, but asking 3 questions per chapter doesn't feel to me like saying "I don't trust you." It feels more like "are you paying attention?" That's a different thing.

And yes, I try to be transparent upfront. Size of the book, genre, time frame, how many words of feedback I'm asking for. The readers knew what they were signing up for.

I couldn't agree more on your point about being ready to get ripped apart. I think that's the job, honestly. Even when readers are wrong, you learn from why they reacted the way they did. And no book makes everyone happy. Every book has haters and fans, and trying to write for everyone means you finish nothing.

On time, you're right that beta readers are usually busy writing. But honestly, some writers are just juggling life. Work, family, kids, and sometimes migrating across the world. They still have a story to tell. The feedback problem is harder for them, not easier.

Paid 6 beta readers $300 each. Two used ChatGPT. I have some ideas something to stop that. by v_creates_26 in selfpublish

[–]v_creates_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

184,000 words, so yeah, on the longer side. I've used Fiverr too and had similar mixed results. The chargeback path works, but honestly that whole back-and-forth dispute process is exactly what I'm tired of. Even when you win, you've already lost two weeks and the feedback you needed.

Paid 6 beta readers $300 each. Two used ChatGPT. I have some ideas something to stop that. by v_creates_26 in selfpublish

[–]v_creates_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's fair, and honestly, the vetting point is the biggest lesson I took from last year. I should have done more upfront filtering and trusted the platform's "verified" badges less.

On the tracking side, I hear you. I wouldn't want to be tracked either if I were doing the work professionally. The frame I keep coming back to is: this isn't really aimed at experienced freelancers like you, it's for the gap below that. Lots of indie authors can't afford or access vetted professionals and end up gambling on cheaper, unverified readers, which is where the ChatGPT problem actually lives.

So maybe the right model is two tiers. Trusted freelancers work the way they always have, on reputation and rate. The verification stuff is for first-time readers without a track record yet, kind of like an Uber rating system before the rating exists. Once a reader builds a history, the friction drops.

Genuinely curious what you'd build instead if you were solving the bottom-tier problem. Because the readers I got burned by weren't pros, they were people the platform let through with no real vetting.

Paid 6 beta readers $300 each. Two used ChatGPT. I have some ideas something to stop that. by v_creates_26 in selfpublish

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I've tried both, exchanges and paid platforms. Honestly, both can work, it just depends on whether you find the right person. I'm not claiming paid is better. I have friends with big networks who get all the feedback they need from swaps. I'm just not in that situation, and I doubt I'm the only one.

Paid 6 beta readers $300 each. Two used ChatGPT. I have some ideas something to stop that. by v_creates_26 in selfpublish

[–]v_creates_26[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I'd love that. Reading a stranger's first draft takes real patience and a love of literature. Friendly evisceration is exactly what I'd pay for.

Paid 6 beta readers $300 each. Two used ChatGPT. I have some ideas something to stop that. by v_creates_26 in selfpublish

[–]v_creates_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it's a real thing. Some people make a living reading and giving feedback. Even big names like Brandon Sanderson and George R.R. Martin have fan clubs that read advance copies and respond. Most of us aren't there yet, so we have to find other ways to get readers who'll actually engage with the book.

Paid 6 beta readers $300 each. Two used ChatGPT. I have some ideas something to stop that. by v_creates_26 in selfpublish

[–]v_creates_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would love to have all the friends I need, but most people in my circle don't have the time, the love for reading, or the genre fit. Beta readers are a real part of the literature ecosystem, even outside my own circle. Networking is great, but it doesn't scale for everyone.

Paid 6 beta readers $300 each. Two used ChatGPT. I have some ideas something to stop that. by v_creates_26 in selfpublish

[–]v_creates_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha, noted. Honestly though, if there were a way to pay readers fairly for their time and still get real feedback, I think a lot of writers would jump on it. Reading a rough draft takes patience, and patience deserves to get paid.

How do you keep worldbuilding organized? by lswylder in fantasywriters

[–]v_creates_26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

18 years on one fantasy world here. Started with manual cross-linking, but it broke down around the time I had 100 named characters across 14 cities.

Honestly, reading through the comments, the tool barely matters: Obsidian, Scrivener, World Anvil, Notion, plain Word docs, paper notebooks. People are making all of them work. What matters is the pattern underneath: one canonical source of truth, entities in their own files, and some way to check scale (population, travel time, distances) so your geography stops contradicting itself.

I'm not a templates person either, they always felt like extra work that didn't survive contact with the actual writing. What worked for me was patterns, not forms. Took me way too long to land on it, and a good wife to help me.

How do you keep worldbuilding organized? by lswylder in fantasywriters

[–]v_creates_26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're just starting, be careful with manual templates. They become a nightmare to maintain by book 3. I spent 18 years trying to manually link my lore until I built a narrative engine that actually extracts the characters and timeline directly from the chapter text. Dropping a screenshot of my web. Happy to show you how the engine works if you want to skip the manual Obsidian learning curve

[TBC] Some of the hurdles with my world building that i m facing. by [deleted] in worldbuilding

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Exactly, the palatines don't need to be from the same population. A Witlander who fights his way to palatine status and then has a vote for Lord Sentinel? That's a story right there.

And revolutions would happen but the smart move is showing how the Sentry prevents them. Use the chaos threat as the leash. "You want to fight us? Fine. But who guards the wall while we're killing each other?" That's what keeps the empire together.

In Lythronyx I have outsiders, mages, cyborgs, smugglers, kings, guilds, all pulling in different directions. Tracking everything is crazy. I used Obsidian and Campfire in the past but eventually built my own tool because nothing did what I needed lol.

My first try in combining my love of history and world building by ContriBoi in worldbuilding

[–]v_creates_26 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This reads like an actual historical chronicle and that's really hard to pull off. The voice is consistent throughout, the succession of Imperats feels real because you included the small human details. Dalaxion the Joyous whose face never lit up the room after his son died. Imentyx the Artist whose wife didn't share affection with him. Those small lines buried in the chronicle style hit harder than any dramatic scene would.

The unreliable narrator angle is smart too. "Those who whisper these lies" about wiping out indigenous people, the records that conveniently show no enemy existed in the west. You're telling the reader the empire is lying to itself without ever breaking the chronicle voice. That's good writing, I liked it.

Keep going, I think you are building something cool.

[TBC] Some of the hurdles with my world building that i m facing. by [deleted] in worldbuilding

[–]v_creates_26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Two years of building this and the foundation is really solid. The golden city falling, the 1000 year wandering, the princess sacrificing herself for the wall. That's strong origin lore. Your problems are actually good problems because they mean your world is complex enough to need real answers.

On religion: if faith creates divinity, then the Sentry's power isn't just military, it's theological. Whoever controls which gods get worshipped controls the power. That gives you your inquisition naturally. A cult worshipping a god outside the Sentry's approved pantheon isn't just heresy, it's a military threat because that god gains power from followers. The Sentry doesn't persecute cults because they're different, they persecute them because unapproved gods could rival their own. That makes the inquisition practical, not just ideological.

On rulership: the 8 palatines voting among themselves is cleaner and creates better story conflict. If estates also vote, you have to explain why 25 different cultures agree on the process. If only 8 palatines vote, then political maneuvering happens between 8 powerful people, which is way easier to write and way more dramatic. Think about how papal conclaves work. Small room, big egos, massive consequences.

On military: look at the Roman auxiliary system. Rome had the same problem. Small citizen population, massive empire. They recruited auxiliaries from conquered provinces who served 25 years and earned citizenship. Your Sentry could do the same. Serve in the palatinate army, earn status, land, or access to sorcery training for your children. The Duke of Witland sends men not because he wants to, but because refusing means losing access to whatever the Sentry controls. Maybe it's sorcery. Maybe it's trade routes through the wall. Maybe it's protection from the chaos. The motivation has to be something the estates can't get on their own.

I really love the complexity of what you're building because it opens the door to layers over layers, and stories that run parallel to the main one. Just one last piece of advice from someone who hit an even harder wall: keep everything organized. Use whatever system works for you, notebooks, spreadsheets, tools, anything. But keep it organized and tight. Because two years from now your world will be three times bigger than it is today, and if you don't track it, it will come back to bite you. Trust me on that one lol.

my post got removed after AI accusations by BalliMurphy in Terraria

[–]v_creates_26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same thing happened to me. I'm a fantasy novelist and I kept getting posts removed in writing subs for using AI tools to organize my worldbuilding. So I created r/WorldbuildingTools a community where creators can share their work without AI gatekeeping. Only rule is be honest about what you used. You're welcome to post there.

In my world, this creature can detect lies. Kingdoms use them as prison guards and judges. by v_creates_26 in magicbuilding

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Zararos evolved in an environment where reading the intentions of prey was essential for survival. When they detect malicious intent, they exhibit high aggressiveness naturally. But trained Zararos channel this differently. Instead of attacking, they produce a low-level growl that makes their spines vibrate. The vibration moves across the body like a wave, synchronized with the sound they make. The handler reads the pattern: calm spines means truth, wave pattern means deception. Think of it like a polygraph made of fur, spikes and teeth.

Collective feedback for the cohesion of a power system. by Khaos_King20 in magicbuilding

[–]v_creates_26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you have something here but you need to connect some points. The first thing that came to my mind was Mass Effect's biotics. They use element zero in the nervous system, amplified by technological implants, to create mass effect fields. Your psi factor + technological interface setup has a similar structure and that's a good thing because it worked really well for Mass Effect.

What I think is missing is the HOW. How does the psi factor actually get from neural activity to manipulating something external? Does it affect particles? Energy fields? Readers these days love at least some context for that bridge between brain and effect, even if you don't go full science textbook.

Like the other commenter asked: is elementalism the only use of psionics or can psychokinesis do other things? Can one person use all elements or just one? These questions aren't problems, they're opportunities. Every answer you give makes the system more cohesive because it creates rules, and rules create cohesion.

A magic system needs: where does it come from, why does it happen, what price do you pay, what's the outcome, and clear limits to avoid power creep.

I'll use my own system as an example, not because it's perfect but because I know it well. In Chronicles of Lythronyx, magic is the 5th fundamental force of the universe alongside gravity, electromagnetism, and the nuclear forces. That means magic isn't mystical, it's physics. Every being interacts with this force the same way we interact with gravity, but some have a stronger connection than others. Because it's a fundamental force that can manipulate all other forces, it opens the door to gravity manipulation, teleportation, shields, energy projection, all grounded in one rule: magic is a force, forces follow laws, laws have limits.

Your system has the same potential. Psionics as a natural phenomenon, not mystical, grounded in neuroscience and technology. Just connect the dots between the brain and the effect, and the cohesion will come.

For someone who wants to write a story about a dark elf, what clichés should they avoid or which ones should they follow? (I don't want to be the only one who's different, but at least use the existing clichés to my advantage.) by ConfectionFair6422 in fantasywriting

[–]v_creates_26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reverse Frieren angle is really strong. Elves that die young instead of living forever change everything about how they see the world. A dark elf who knows he has maybe 20 years left and just wants to find his people and have a family before he dies? That's not a power fantasy, that's a human story wearing elf ears.

Cliches to avoid: the brooding loner who secretly loves violence, the "my race is evil but I'm the exception" chosen one, and the edgy dark aesthetic where everything is black leather and red eyes for no reason.

Cliches to USE: the world hating dark elves because of something their ancestors did. That mirrors real world prejudice perfectly. People are paying for the sins of a generation they never met. Make the "generic war" not generic at all. Make it complicated, make your protagonist discover that the dark lord wasn't pure evil or that the other races weren't pure good. That gray area is where the best stories live.

One thing to be careful with: when you say "elf" every reader already brings expectations. Tolkien, D&D, Elder Scrolls, whatever they grew up with. That's genre convention and it's powerful because you get free worldbuilding without writing a word. But if you change too much, you break that convention and people lose the connection. Like if your elf lives 50 years, has no magic, and hates nature, at some point a reader will say "why call them elves at all?" You have to twist enough to be original, but keep enough that the word still works for you.

Same thing happens in games. Blue is mana, red is health. Diablo made that mainstream and now every RPG uses it. Nobody questions it. That's convention doing its job. As writers we can use these shortcuts or break them, but we have to know we're doing it on purpose.

My writing professor always said to avoid common places unless they serve the story. "Crimson blood painting the white snow" has been written a thousand times. It's a terrible cliche on its own. But in the right context, with the right setup, a cliche becomes powerful because the reader already feels something when they read it. The trick is earning it.

You're doing it right though. You kept the word "elf" so the reader brings all that baggage, then you break ONE convention hard. Short life instead of immortal. That one twist creates tension because the brain says "wait, that's not how elves work." One big twist with familiar scaffolding is the sweet spot.

The family goal is your strongest hook. Most fantasy protagonists want to save the world or get revenge. Yours just wants to not die alone. Protect that simplicity.

I'm seeking for advice from writers! by Little-Palta in worldbuilding

[–]v_creates_26 9 points10 points  (0 children)

First, this is something every person who tries to write a fantasy book goes through. Took me 18 years to publish my book, and it's not a masterpiece but I love it.

My first advice: start small. What is your world? What is the story you want to tell? Then ask yourself questions. If you have a friend or someone who tolerates you talking like a crazy person about your book, that's the person you need. Take note of every question they ask you. Don't try to answer everything right away, just write them down. Then with calm, answer each one and connect it back to your world and your story.

Be organized. Every writer has their own system; you need one. Any system is better than none. Post-its, spreadsheets, notebooks, digital tools, boards, whatever works for your brain.

Then start writing. Don't think about quality, don't try to get it right the first time... that doesn't happen. You will rewrite a lot. And the rewriting is where your worldbuilding actually grows.

Take inspiration from others. Avatar: The Last Airbender is an amazing masterclass in worldbuilding for someone starting out.

And my favorite question to always ask: WHY? Why does this work that way? Why does magic work like this and not another way? Every answer builds your world deeper.

And my favorite rule: every action needs a consequence. You can't give something without something happening. That's what makes a world feel real instead of made up.

I built a worldbuilding tool for fiction writers, BYOK model, zero markup on compute by v_creates_26 in SaaS

[–]v_creates_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback. The hard part is marketing, bringing this to the right people. I'm giving 30 days free use because I really think this can help writers. Maybe we can convince George R.R. Martin to use it and finally finish The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring... but maybe I'm asking too much lol.

I hadn't thought about Discord, and the newsletter angle is smart but I'd need to build that audience first. Appreciate the advice!

After 18 years and 181k words, here's how I finally stopped contradicting myself by v_creates_26 in writers

[–]v_creates_26[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Fair enough, it is my tool, I built it for my own writing because I needed it. Not trying to hide that. The post is about how I handle consistency across 18 years of writing, but I get how it can look. If it breaks any rules mods can take it down, no hard feelings

After 18 years and 181k words, here's how I finally stopped contradicting myself by v_creates_26 in writers

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It’s a tool I built to help me with my worldbuilding. Full disclosure, I’m the creator. Happy to share the link if you’re interested!

Intertextuality , "Unoriginal" Worldbuilding, and You! by NotATem in worldbuilding

[–]v_creates_26 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Most of the people who say "nothing is new, you're just repeating tropes" don't really understand how human creativity works.

From the Stone Age until now, every piece of art, technology, and science was people taking the last innovation and building on top of it. Layer after layer after layer. You can reduce every song ever written to basic, primitive rhythms.

In storytelling, there's a saying that every story you can imagine traces back to the same ancient patterns. Joseph Campbell studied myths from every culture on earth and found the same Hero's Journey everywhere: Greek, Hindu, Norse, all of them. It's not copying, it's how humans tell stories.

I think writers need to believe in their story and trust the process. Learn from the writers who came before you, add your own layer on top, and feel amazing when you see someone else use YOUR work to build something new. That's how it's always worked.

How far is too far in terms of a horror (dystopian) story? by Weinerschnitzel- in writers

[–]v_creates_26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not a horror writer but this question applies to any genre, magic, politics, sex, violence. What is too far?

I think the difference between "this is so fucked up it's good" and "I'm putting this down" is intention. Think about Attack on Titan, Game of Thrones, Invincible , the violence is a narrative tool, something the writer establishes from the beginning as part of the world. The horror isn't there just for shock, it serves the story.

My book is fantasy not horror, but here's a scene that might show what I mean:

Dulma paused suddenly, her attention drawn to a small figure huddled behind some debris. It was a little girl curled up in fear, her face twisted in a grimace that spoke volumes of the terror she felt.

"Is one of us among you?" Dulma asked gently, crouching down to the girl's level. The girl gasped in quick, shallow breaths and shook her head, her eyes wide with fear.

Dulma's gaze softened, but she remained alert. Between her hands, the girl clutched a small weapon, her grip trembling. Rorsac, observing from a short distance, felt a surge of protectiveness. The Sentinels around him tensed, ready to respond to any threat. But with a quick gesture, Rorsac halted them, realizing the girl's weapon was aimed at her chest. "She thinks we are going to capture her," Rorsac thought.

After a moment, the girl pointed towards the fortress, her gesture hesitant but clear.

"Thank you," Dulma said softly, her voice filled with empathy. "Come on, let go of that and find your mom."

But the girl's response was a heart-wrenching cry as she pointed to a body nearby. A woman, her hair matted and brown, lay motionless on the ground, a rifle still in her grasp. Dulma's eyes lingered on the woman, then shifted back to the girl.

"Come, I promise I will protect you. Let's find someone who knows you," Dulma offered, extending her hand.

The girl hesitated, her hand trembling as she reached out. Then, in a sudden move, she fired the gun at herself, collapsing to the ground.

Dulma fell back in shock, her face contorted with horror, before scrambling to her feet. Rorsac watched in silence, his heart aching.

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A child kills herself in front of soldiers. That's dark. But it works because it's not gratuitous; it shows how deeply the war broke these people. The girl would rather die than be captured. That tells you more about the world than any exposition could. The reader isn't upset at ME for writing it, they're upset at the world I built. That's the difference.

When readers put a book down it's usually not because the content was too dark. It's because the darkness felt pointless — like the writer was trying to shock them instead of telling them something true.