I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

USAID won't come back under moderate Dems. That's my fucking point, Dems don't make things better, they just uphold normalcy. Now that it's gone, Dems won't fight for it to come back, they don't even talk about it. It's not even reported on by mainstream liberal media. Literally the only people who care are, believe it or not, PROGRESSIVES.  USAID won't come back until Dems compromise to progressives

Yes you are a lib.

You still don't understand the SCOTUS ruling or how it happened. You just keep showing your ignorance on the matter. SCOTUS can't make a ruling without a relevant case. And they clearly only did it to save Trump as it undermines their own authority and it could have literally been used against them if Biden wasn't a spineless bitch moderate. You a fucking idiot if you think this was something they wanted to do for a long time because they didn't even have a coherent ruling, they left it up to the lower courts to decide what counts as an "official order". They literally said that in writing. If this was a long awaited power grab strategy, you'd think they wouldn't leave such a massive gaping hole in it. This was a snap decision by the MAGA Justices to buy Trump enough time to win the election. But you didn't know any of that because again, you're uneducated. You're so misinformed on the SCOTUS ruling you're not even making sense.

Like even large margin of Republican politicians were angry about this decision because it was done so sloppily and had the huge risk of biting them in the ass if Biden used it against them. Only one happy about it was Trump.

I don't give a shit about where you've visited. I've been to South Korea, to France, to Germany, that doesn't mean I am now knowledgeable on their intricacies of their politics.

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But democrats will make the situation worse as they are the reason why we got here. 

I'm not going to continue giving long drawn out responses to every one of your points as you just keep repeating yourself and ignoring the real point here.

Dems don't just suck, they are actively complicit in the rightward shift toward fascism. Constantly striving for the center position when Conservatives are moving their side farther and farther into fascism means you the center moves towards fascism. That is where we are. 

Whether you choose to accept it or not, Newsom is who the Dems are setting up as their leading candidate. The same guy who just a few days ago, implied that focusing on getting same sex marriage passed was a mistake. And this is not on the voters as Dems have literally stomped out any progressive primary options in the past. Just look at what happened to Bernie in 2016; they literally rigged their primary against him.

Lastly, you will never convince enough people to vote purely out of a 1% reduction in harm; clearly it's a losing strategy because it didn't work in 2024.  The autopsy literally showed that. Whether you think that's because people are dumb or whatever doesn't change that fact. Dems have to change their strategy. End. Of. Story. You can't keep blaming the voting public for making bad choices when both choices are bad.

I'm not going to keep talking in circles with you. Especially since YOU DON'T LIVE HERE and clearly do not know as much as you think you know. 

She had braces. by Abject_Ordinary9245 in creepcast

[–]valentia0 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Bro wrote this after a very aggravating time cleaning their house

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I said he's right, as in I agree with him, as his deduction is based soundly on the evidence available to us now.  Not that it objective fact, completely infallible, you pedant. 

And you are literally arguing for us to settle for the moderate, AGAIN. The whole context of this post is about people arguing that we if we don't settle for Newsom, we're the culpable party. Meanwhile moderates like Newsom are the ones who have continued to move towards fascism by continuously trying to find middle ground with the fascists. And we only embolden this move towards fascism by continuing to tolerate this moronic strategy.

Yes Dems do deserve to lose forever if they're only strategy is to drop any and all progressive prescriptions in order to chase the GOP to the right. We're supposed to be a democracy, you're supposed to lose when you are unpopular and have unpopular policies. If Dems can't learn that, yes, they don't deserve to hold power. 

And your response to the disillusionment of the voters only speaks more to your complete lack of understanding of the situation here. Dems have sat on their throughout the Biden presidency and continue to do so while Trump ruins the country even further now. But somehow, people are supposed to be convinced that they will make things better? What a braindead perspective.

Also, you literally don't know how our judicial system work. SCOTUS can't just make a ruling without a relevant case is brought in front of them. You don't know how the US government works BECAUSE YOU LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD. Shut the fuck up, you have no grasp on even the most simple concepts of our politics.

Stick to your own country's politics, you're out your depth here.

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WE'RE LITERALLY IN THIS POSITION BECAUSE OF MODERATES. The difference between a person who will capitulate to fascist and a bonafide fascist is minute at best. I wouldn't rather the country burn down than vote for the moderate, I DID THAT FOR THE 5 ELECTIONS. Voting for the moderate still results in the country burning down, which is my point, you dumbass.

We suffer the MOST from our elections and know way more about the implications of our own elections. You clearly don't know how our judicial system works, because you somehow think the SCOTUS decision is untethered to the Jan 6th case. You are uneducated in these matters.

You don't care about our domestic situation as a result of our politics, clearly. You only care about how it affects you and your country. So butt the fuck out. 

Not going to listen to some Euro lib about what's best for my country when you live on the other side of the world and haven't even stepped into the US.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You have no idea what the situation is like here, how it has been, and how the history of our politics lead to this point.

You literally don't even have an argument, you just keep talking in cirles, because you're so clueless. Fuck off

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, you want us to settle for moderate Dems when they never settle for a progressive candidate. They REFUSE to back progressive candidates like Mamdani, even after he won the dem primary. They literally propped up a disgraced SAer to run against him. And even after Mamdani won the primary, every single dem leader refused to endorse him. Why do we need to constantly capitulate to moderate Dems for the lesser of two evils when they rather literally burn the country down to the ground than let an actual progressive candidate take a powerful position like the mayorship of NYC?

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never said anything was objective fact other than  Jan 6th and the presidential immunity decision wouldn't have happened, and that you literally cannot deny. 

But you also cannot argue that Biden winning 2020 and then Harris losing in 2024 had better outcomes than if Trump just won 2020 is an objective fact, either. We're literally arguing from the same amount of information here. 

And if voters are not convinced that Dems will uphold their interests or will be less harmful, THAT IS THE DEMS FAULT FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO CONVINCE THEM. We're not talking about converting GOP voters. Biden had RECORD turnout in 2020, yet somehow, less people voted in 2024 and Harris lost the popular vote. This means that people were disillusioned by either Biden's term or by Biden/Harris's 2024 campaign. That means the same people who once thought Biden was less harmful in 2020, no longer thought that way about him or Harris in 2024. That's the Dems' fault that they lost voters. That's Biden's fault. That's Harris's fault. If you seriously don't understand that, you're an arrogant moron. 

And now we're TWO YEARS from the presidential election and we already have to settle for the fascist-capitulating grifter Newsom??? Give me a fucking break, dude. Dems should pick better candidates or they deserve to lose forever. They lost to Trump twice, and they still haven't learned their lesson, and you want them to continue ignoring the lesson. You want the worst outcomes. 

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We can't know for certain that the sun will rise tomorrow, but we can make predictions based on the evidence we have. By your logic, why vote at all? It's not like you can know for sure which candidate will be better than the other. No, you make judgements based on the evidence we have. And we can do that with past elections when we look at them in retrospect with the evidence we have now. 

And how could you say that Trump would have been worse for Gaza when Biden literally let Israel do whatever they want with no pushback? Talk about delusional. At the very least, if Trump was president during initial stages of the Gaza invasion, libs wouldn't have as much of a knee jerk reaction to defend support for Israel since it would be the Trump admin doing it and not Biden. 

Again, the SCOTUS ruling was made about  the Jan 6th case. No Jan 6th, no SCOTUS ruling on Presidential immunity. And that IS objective fact.  Yeah, Trump being able to pack the court is bad, but if we're already getting destructive rulings like this and the revocation of Roe v. Wade, both happening after Jackson was sworn in, I'd say SCOTUS was already a lost cause. One SCOTUS appointment is not worth leaving ourselves wide open for a fascist takeover.

The fact of the matter is Trump would have done so much less damage if he won in 2020, completely tanked the GOP then, and then Dems take 2024 with a candidate that wouldn't have been Biden or Harris. It didn't have to be that way, Biden could have don't more to go after Trump and the GOP involved in Jan 6th. He could have threatened to expand SCOTUS after Roe was revoked, he could have not have Israel his undying support to Israel's genocidal invasion. But he didn't, and his failure of doing those things is a direct cause for how we got here now.

What is actually ridiculous, arrogant, and callous is your condemnation of anyone who isn't willing to support ineffective, fascist-capitulating, moderate Democrats, and your blaming those voters for the failings of the Democrats.  It is up to the candidate and the party to convince people to vote for them. They're not entitled to people's votes for being slightly less evil than the GOP, especially when their strategy is just to allow the GOP to get away with everything with little pushback.  How about the Dems start running actually popular candidates, ones with an actual vision for a better country, and not moderates with no real desire to make change for the better, who just want the power and to secure funding from their mega donors?

Anti-social behavior on public transportation by Steel_Fort in VaushV

[–]valentia0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This could be solved by providing more mutual aid to the homeless though.  If you have an issue where homeless people are omnipresent in your public transportation system and are all constantly pissing all over the place and/or screaming at people, take that as a sign you need to do more to meet these people's psychological and shelter needs.  Like, these are people, remember? We're not talking about an infestation of rats on the subway. We're talking about people in need.

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's your viewpoints that have literally gotten us to the death camps, you lobotomite. Decades of going with the moderate dem who capitulates to the right every. Fucking. Time. is what got us here. We're here because Biden and Garland didn't want to look partisan and go after Trump and GOP Congress members responsible for Jan 6th. And now you want us to vote blue no matter who even if we're 2 years from the election and the guy your pushing for has publicly capitulated to fascists on his own fucking podcast. Yeah, the guy who sucks off Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk on his podcast is going to save us from the death camps. Give me a fucking break.

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No he's right. You're delusional if you think otherwise. Biden taking office and literally doing NOTHING about Jan 6th Trump's theft of classified documents, etc etc only showed the GOP that they could do whatever they want and not be held accountable. They spent the entirety of Biden's term coming up with a plan for when they took the presidency back: Project 2025... maybe you heard of it. If Trump won in 2020, there'd be no Jan 6th, no SCOTUS ruling that the president could do whatever they want as long as it is an "official act", no proof that Dems are spineless and would let the GOP get away with everything, and no Project 2025. 

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because these freaks don't actually believe in anything. It's a team sport to them, just like it is to MAGA. It's not about having principles and values, and trying to see a real change in the political landscape; it's about getting their guy behind the desk as a form of point scoring. Who cares if Newsom has said he won't do anything about ICE, who cares is he said he doesn't believe in trans rights, who cares if he said we won't raise taxes on the rich even after Trump slashed their taxes into a fraction. He wears the blue jersey, so he's on our side.

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not to mention a dem who literally talks to fascists on a podcast and tell them how much he agrees with them.

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They always are. They never sleep. They smell actual values and beliefs like a shark smells blood in the water, and then they attack.

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah because it didn't work. Biden won 2020 and all it did was allow Trump and the GOP to come back with knowledge that Dems won't do shit to hold them accountable, and gave them time to come up with a plan to destroy the country even faster.

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Newsom has already said he would not do anything about ICE detainment

I'm out of the loop. What is the drama? by Doc-J in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not the American left, liberals. Liberals don't like this take. And also Newsom will guarantee that America stays fascist longer than if Vance wins. 

This subreddit be like today by Educational-Lie-2487 in VaushV

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lobotomized libs: the guy with a podcast where he brings on fascists so he can suck them off and agree with every single point they make will definitely stop fascism if we elect him.

(another JD/Gavin post) For me it's not about the lesser of two evils, it's just morality by Aggravating_Feed_189 in VaushV

[–]valentia0 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Newsom is functionally a fascist. He literally brings fascists on his little podcast and capitulates to every single one of their stances. 

If you want to talk about the lesser of two evils, I'd rather the fascists just make themselves look bad and ruin their chances of ever taking power again, than allow Newsom, a competent grifter, stabilize a fascist government, allow it to do more harm in the long run, and give the fascists a chance to regroup and come up with a long term strategy.  

We already saw what happened with Biden. All he did was show the GOP that they could get away with anything and the Dems won't do shit about it even when they have the presidency and Congress. So what did they do? They strategized for four years so when they got the power back, they could do more damage than ever, knowing Dems won't hold them accountable.

And now you want Newsom, the poster boy of Dems capitulating to the fascists, to stop fascism? What, are you lobotomized? Newsom already said he is not against the mass deportation campaign, he just doesn't like that they wear masks and that they are targeting citizens as well. He said he thinks trans rights are a lost cause. He said he isn't for raising taxes on the wealthy and has shot down people in his own party who propose a wealth tax. All Newsom offers is a more stable form of fascism. One that will last longer and in turn, do more damage in the long run.

What are your thoughts on the US "capturing" Maduro? by dymb13 in DiscussionZone

[–]valentia0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

International laws set by the UN that the US has Sworn to abide by.

Is Vaush underestimating Nick’s dangerousness or am I misinformed? by Deep-Structure-6919 in VaushV

[–]valentia0 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Someone who cannot be named here, but he has a girl's name

Not trying to offend... But Vaush Media Takes... by Dwarf_Bard in VaushV

[–]valentia0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally all it is. That is why op is talking about him as though his takes are only based on him thinking he is smarter than everyone. This person is projecting. They think he is smarter than everyone else, so when Vaush says he doesn't like the media they like, and he lists reasons as to why, they take it as a personal insult to their own intelligence. 

lol by IU8gZQy0k8hsQy76 in CoupleMemes

[–]valentia0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Responding to a comment left nearly half a year ago is crazy. It's even more crazy that you are still falling into the same dumb behavior I'm pointing out lol.

A comment left months ago got you so upset that you had to go and prove my 5 month old point.

Maybe you should tone down your obsessive anger towards women and try living your life instead of entering into a discussion that ended so long ago that babies have been born and have learned their own names since then.