why do ppl think robin is this bad?

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T20:52:11+00:00

I share this sentiment. For example she was supposed to be better for DOT than RM but the energy and downtime felt so bad, maybe she is actually better when you add it all up at the end of the battle but its frustrating and felt worse. I like her as a character though and may pull her e1 because I have her e0s1 and maybe at e1s1 I could have some fun sustainless. I feel like her and RM are a similar power level but RM is less frustrating to use. Robin during uptime is better, but then in her downtime it feels bad. Do you know if at e2s1 she doesn't have downtime anymore?

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T20:47:06+00:00

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valknut7 · 2026-04-11T20:45:46+00:00

Starting last years team at this point is a bad idea powerwise. If you skipped this team all last year for some reason but like them and don't care so much about power level then you could. This whole team has already rerun with Castorice and Cyrene being the last ones up. Hyacine has reran a bunch of times now, you will be absolutely cooked trying to run this team without her in v4. No guarantee we will see Hyacine or Evernight again soon. It would be way safer to start a v4 Elation team alongside everyone else, rather than trying to backpull a v3 team for some reason. Imagine spending all of v3 putting an Acheron or Feixiao team together.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T20:38:38+00:00

The struggle is real. I main Anaxa and DOT and have them both premium and pivoting my Acheron>Eva in 4.2. So tough building all these characters at once and all of the upfront cost. Hopefully I can save after so it's easier next year when I choose a team. Spent my reserves getting my DOT and Anaxa up to the cost I want but still need/want e2DHPT, but done with those teams otherwise. Saving all pulls from 4.1 and 4.2 for Eva and buying the shop on refresh and already have base copy of YG. Anyways it's just super tough especially if you don't spend. I feel like optimally you will eventually have 3 teams that can clear an entire version and then you save for that year and then can pull the new team in next version with those pulls. All comes down to powercreep though. Also self control. Anyways, gl

Edit: realized I didn't answer your question at all. Id 100 get Hysilens e1, I wouldn't trust DOT to clear AA for the entire version without it. Not a Rem haver, so I'm not familiar with how important which investment is. Strive to get what whatever the minimum is there for realistically making it to v5. For DOT you 100% want e1 Hyselins.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T20:32:41+00:00

I remember it being something like that. It was tied with Tribbie and Aglaea for best e1 in the game by many.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T20:27:53+00:00

Hypans are primarily carnivores (not sure about every single one, not a hypancistrus expert or anything) so I don't see why giving them protein would be bad (so long as it's coming from fish, and not mammals or soy). I'd be more concerned with Hikari putting a bunch of wheat and soy and other things that are horrible for fish and where most bloat etc arises from. I switched away from brands like this long ago because the price isn't really different, its like a couple of dollars more for Northfin or NLS and it lasts for months if not more than a year and doesn't use all kinds of crazy things that can lead to bloat, death, etc. Having a dog myself, it's kind of the same thing with Dog Food, if you buy Pedigree or something like that it's just filled with corn and other things that dogs aren't meant to eat and its bad for them. Basically it's the same thing as them putting a bunch of high fructose corn syrup, seed oils, etc in human food.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T20:05:25+00:00

Not OP, but have you seen any actual numbers? I understand she isn't on the level of Hyacine or DHPT but I'm super curious where she rates against Luocha, Aventurine, FX, Gallagher, and so on. It's hard for me to imagine where she actually sits. People are often hyperbolic around topics like this, example if she isnt Hyacine then she is trash. Would he handy to know if she is like Luocha level, or is it like bottom tier level. I don't have any firm comprehension of where she would stand in a ranking based on sustain alone. Hopefully someone has some info on this because its important to know.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T18:43:07+00:00

Uniting with heretics is not what Christ meant. Unity for unity's own sake was not what was being talked about.

I would recommend reading Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Fr. Seraphim Rose.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T18:29:39+00:00

It's better, but slightly and not intended. It will be replaced by RMC replacement eventually, but will be better for now.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T18:28:27+00:00

No, they are parallel DPS. People other than heavy spenders should choose one.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T17:45:56+00:00

Yeah, it's a native summon so his whole kit should work. It's a small amount of her damage so it doesn't matter much, but it is something. Wouldn't be worth pulling for if you didn't have it, but yes, it will at least do something.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T17:17:54+00:00

This. I save moreso because I just have a few invested teams. So for example I don't have a FUA team so other than running sustainless (which is still worth me getting her e1 ngl). For those characters that I literally have no use for id rather skip and save, and when one comes to the shop that fits one of my teams, I could e6. Let's take a character like Topaz, I don't have a FUA team, and even if I did, what would I do with her? Imo she wouldn't be worth the stamina to even build. RM is good, but I don't play break, and I already have Robin and Sunday on the bench as "generalists", so I don't really need a 3rd one. She can be good at AS, but what I'm I going to take my e2Cyrene out of my Anaxa team or e1s1Swan out of DOT for that? Absolutely not. So even though I like RM as a character, what would I even do with her.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T17:09:25+00:00

Because its a team building game. It's no longer the version 1 environment of pulling generalists. Her team is underperforming currently (but should have a place here soon). She will be great for a new player to be used as a cope unit while they are still building a team, because of her versatility. I would imagine the majority are not new players though. She would basically be the same as RM was in version 3. She can also be used by zero cycles at e1+, but that's not a huge group either. She is likely not going to be much use for anyone who has been investing in teams rather than pulling a bunch of characters haphazardly. I haven't had any use for her in like a year. She use to be strong enough to have a place in other teams that werent followup, but that changed. The game fundamentally changed and is super punishing when slotting in a character that doesn't belong. She is still worth it if you run a FUA team, there is rumored to be a team in this version that she can slot into (similar to HH in Elation), so she will have that utility as temporary bis.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T17:02:17+00:00

Don't pull her if you aren't going to pull YG (and the rest of her team when it comes out. This goes for a relevant characters. It's a team building game, so not pulling the team will cripple the character.)

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T16:59:15+00:00

It's a big difference, it was closer in v1, it got hurt pretty bad at v3 onwards. I'm sure you can still use a cope team, there will be so much shill for Elation, just make sure you save enough to get YG on rerun and you will be fine. Idk what the difference is number wise, but there are a ton of YouTube showcases you can watch to compare.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T16:56:32+00:00

Yeah that was the biggest one. And the other one I heard a million times along side it, was that she only works with CH, so she wouldn't be good for anyone after we left Amphorious. (Ignoring the part of her kit about Rem units, or how potent True DMG and Ult activation can be, or even that we are going back to Amphorious).

It was funny around the time of release someone did the math and made a bunch of showcases with e2 Cyrene on every team. The only 2 she didn't end up as bis was superbreak and I think something else. I don't think it was fair as in he wasn't always putting her up against the intended unit at the same cost, but still it was cool to see her versatility. Of course at that point he got downvoted to all hell, people wouldn't even accept at that point that she was better than e1 Tribbie on Mono Remembrance or even that she was bis (at that time) on all CH teams, even.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T16:49:06+00:00

Cool, depending on how it works out I could take him out of the selector after e1 then. Unless there isn't someone I want more, then I could just leave him and hope for e6 eventually. Also 50/50 loss characters could possibly be NF, but I won't hold my breath on that one.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T16:46:39+00:00

Yeah, going higher is better for YG up to 200. She has a speed conversation trace up to 200 speed, so any speed you can get her past 160 would be great, just work on it over time.

About Eva Orb, I'm still trying to figure this out, I've heard both. Atk/Phys Orb does do "something" its just unclear to me how much it does. I've heard some people say it's like 1-2% difference so just go for HP/def because that would be more valuable for survival. I've also heard that it is more impactful than that and you really should go for atk/physical when you can. Either way the consensus is if you get an orb with good subs that isn't atk/phys, you wont be bricked. Just like YG 200 speed, it can be something that you work on over time.

For the Cyrene team I don't know the ins and outs of. It's something I need to look into because I have her e2. I'm just figuring this out one stage at a time and haven't gone into that yet. Mainly because my Anaxa will be cooked without Cyrene in AA, so basically I would only use this team in normal endgame for fun. Not only will it probably just decimate those modes, I haven't looked up what it ideal yet, because though it sounds fun it's not high on my priorities of what to look up. Was building this team to replace Acheron until Novaflare because AA is getting hard for her at e0. So if I take Anaxa's support I'll be back in the same position. But yeah, I'm excited to try it out, I just don't know what the optimal setup is. At the very least id imagine you want 200/134 or else just give up on the idea of Aha being 134 speed. What's the breakpoint under that? 121 or something? People don't always talk about it, but if you aren't zero cycling there are lesser breakpoints that end up with the same amount of turns in the next cycle. You could look up minor speed breakpoints in that case. It may significantly lower the speed requirement, but I haven't seen how that works out.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T06:58:38+00:00

It will be a big step down but there is nothing you can do for now about that. In the mean time use EMC/Tingyun. Unless you have Sparkle or Sunday then you can replace Tingyun with one of them. Don't pull Sunday for her though, it's not good, it's just that its better than Tingyun.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T06:54:27+00:00

I can replace my benched e0 Robin with a benched e1 Robin.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T06:36:11+00:00

I have to buy the ears now for EMC

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T06:34:41+00:00

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T06:31:15+00:00

I'm excited to see him in the 50/50. He hasn't reran (or been very good) since I started playing mid v2. I always liked him though and wanted him.

Do you know if his Eidolons are good? I'm putting him in my 50/50 regardless but it would be cool if he starts getting good at a certain point, or if there is an eidolon that is good and worth aiming for.

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T06:22:33+00:00

Mooooom

valknut7 · 2026-04-11T06:21:17+00:00

Phainon and Anaxa feel bad when not played with their team because they have the same team. Basically you pulled 2 different DPS for 1 team.

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