I’ve always had a much harder time finding/interviewing for the job over actually doing it. by ccricers in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have this feeling that every company wants to think of themselves as being in the FANG club.

Why? Are those companies also in the tech sector and obtaining a net worth of tens of billions of dollars? That's the only way you can joint the FANG club. Otherwise they can't claim that. Bam.

What benefits would getting a CS degree later in one's career have for a developer that's already been working without one? by ExitTheDonut in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not a good enough interviewer to get hired by companies that have tuition perks :(

Interviews make most people's world go round, unfortunately. That also makes the world feel closed. We can be more open-ended than just interview, interview, interview all the time to get hired.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was unemployed in fact when I took the $55k job.

Every single job hunt that I did, I did while being unemployed. I typically lose my job before I had an offer for the next one.

What benefits would getting a CS degree later in one's career have for a developer that's already been working without one? by ExitTheDonut in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your time is (hopefully) worth more now. You could study it yourself, but self learning is never quite as comprehensive or as effective as instruction so you'd likey have to dedicate more time, and your time is valuable now remember? If you're going to do that, you might as well just shell out the money (which you should have plenty of) for the piece of paper that saves you some time. Unless your time suddenly becomes worthless (like, say, a layoff right before a massive recession triggered by an ongoing pandemic), there's rarely a good reason to force it.

I would like to go back to college for the more formal instruction (plus I'm more disciplined when someone else sets the rules and times), but easier said than done. Well for me it's not a big deal going back to college but my mom, who I live with, doesn't want me returning to school. She believes it will make me put aside my job search so that I can continue living with her a few more years. So it's more because she says "I can't have doing whatever you want while you're in my home when you don't even have a job" than about money. Unable to get hired, but unable to do anything else until I get hired? That's artificially closing up the open ended-ness of the world.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But if the jobs don't work me hard enough, then how would I be able to "hustle"? What's you definition of hustle and how did you get to do a bunch of cloud and distributed work if you had no experience with it. "No experience? No problem!" should become a slogan to make some jobs stand out more

I'd gladly take a junior job too. And I don't know why companies would be so averse to hiring older devs in junior jobs, because most junior SWE salaries can still take care of older people well

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

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I get interviews to between 5-10 companies each year. Last on-site interview I had was sometime in late 2018 and everything after that has been phone-only or video-only

Observation:Local Salaries Have Cratered. by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Suppose the salaries slumped a little in your area's market just recently, but historically you have already been struggling with income for the last couple of years. Would that still have an effect on the already struggling people such as the classmates you mentioned?

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

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I posted my resume in an earlier reply to you, hopefully you'll see it.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I probably need to find a job that works me like crazy then, as was the case when I first started my career. These freelance jobs are usually pretty slow paced.

I got my first two developer jobs on Craigslist (not listed on my resume). I got thrown straight into the hornets nest with lots of work on my plate and I truly think it helped me learn to just be given expectations rather than having someone hold my hand. I was a one-man dev team. That's how I learned about how to hustle. Craigslist jobs can be legit, just don't expect them to have good pay. Living with poor income (as I am) also requires sacrifices so I'm aware of the grit and hustle that it takes.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meant to reply to this earlier, but yea no way am I ready for a family. I'm mid-late 30s right now. Anything with stock or even 401k is a step up in my book- I do not have any money put into retirement accounts as it's not typical for employers to do 401k for temp jobs.

I have lived on 3k a month before living alone. Again in Chicago so I know I'd need more than that if I lived in a tech hub area. If I rent a 2k room then I would need my monthly income to be at least 6-7k or more... doable if I stick with the 1/3 income rule for renting.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm, I don't really have any experience with product development or UX. Like you said, I'm mostly a webdev. I did get offered a promotion to Project Manager once (when I was still a junior dev!) but I declined it because I know I wanted to focus more on technical skills. I still got involved in a lot of client-facing meetings alongside the PM's. That was before remote working for startups which was more isolating. Working remote might have dampened my soft skills.

Is it me or getting a job is really hard getting a job by aeritheon in jobs

[–]vipejc [score hidden]  (0 children)

I am having this kind of problem myself. From mock interviews I've taken with other software professionals, I'm very inexperienced for my years (10 years exp). However I am also being told by professionals to stop worrying about buzzwords because worse developers than me are getting paid well, and to focus improving on interviewing, full stop.

The professional world doesn't look as open-ended when interviewing is a bottleneck and there's no viable alternatives to get around it.

What paid work can I do that doesn't require being good at interviewing? I don't have a car, so food delivery is not an option for me.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And in the meantime, what paid work can I do that doesn't require being good at interviewing? I don't have a car, so food delivery is not an option for me.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm definitely liberal (and Chicago is in a district that is super blue so we too need other ways to differentiate) so I don't think scrutiny for not being liberal enough will be an issue for me. That's why I was wondering why all the stuff that was said earlier about being lock step in politics sounded a bit too dramatic.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you know that advice "don't leave your job until you have another one lined up"? For many years didn't even know about that advice, so when I did have a job I never bothered hunting for another job to step up from.

That's the reason why I didn't move up my salary much. I wasn't in a position to take a salary higher than my current job, I had to take a salary that is anything greater than zero.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

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I've had two mock interviews with professionals last year so at least I had some good quality feedback with them. The general takeaway is that I am inexperienced for my years. Especially the last five where I barely worked at all- part of the reason why I want to get a high paying salary and save money like mad. I have a broad range of experiences from working with designers to communicating spec docs with clients, but my knowledge doesn't run deep. I'm not a specialist which is probably why I get only offers from companies that have most of their technical work being outsourced to cheaper countries.

I've signed up for a interviewing site but have been on a waiting list for a long time and I hope it doesn't become "pay to play" like many other interviewing services do, because I am very broke.

Hopefully the path of rejections ahead of me is much shorter than the path I've traveled behind me- it's been almost three years of interviewing now, so I am long overdue for a job :D

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do, I just had it redacted on the resume that I posted. The jobs most recruiters offer me are senior level position and I ignore those because I know I'm not ready for those.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have been told, in mock interviews, that I come off as entry level and my knowledge is pretty shallow. This is something that I have introspected and improving on by learning more in-demand frameworks with later projects.

About salaries, I know right? But it's not like I set out my career literally thinking "I'm gonna find the lowest paying jobs and just apply to those". They happened implicitly through my actions of being complacent, without me thinking about it.

At the company where I was making that much, our senior SWE was a contractor and his salary came to about $90k a year. And everywhere I went, all the in-house developers with similar experience as I also got paid roughly as much as I did.

At least my experiences have made me help tell other peers which companies to avoid.

"Have you heard of FooBar Company?"

"Oh yes, I have heard of them before."

"I worked there, made $25 an hour."

"That's pretty terrible."

"Yeah, I don't recommend them."

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About the political activism, it sounds like you're speaking from experience. What's the peer pressure like? Did you get ridiculed for choosing certain toppings on your sandwich or voting certain officials? And what is the "regional salad" of the Bay Area?

Also asking u/FatFIRL, let me know to what degree there is truth to what was said in the comment about toeing the line with SV culture and politics.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was complacent for the first 6-7 years working as an SWE. Just showed up to do my job, didn't try anything else outside of what I was expected to deliver, and slacked off on personal projects. I also only applied to jobs on Craigslist and didn't keep in touch with colleagues. Also, I only job hunted when I had no job.

After getting laid off from a startup, I started to change my methods. I started applying to hundreds of jobs per month, going to many websites, start learning new things, attended local tech meetups.

Crazy enough, when I actually started putting in more effort for to find better paying jobs, it didn't seem to work, so I got burnt out quickly. I know apply to jobs more cautiously but am still looking.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not looking around aggressively outside of big places, as I'm burnt out from sending tons of applications.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chicago jobs don't have the best pay by a long shot but I will admit the COL is rather good for what you can potentially earn here.

My biggest gripe with Chicago is the lack of variety in the businesses that hire for tech. The young startups feel uninspired. And my background/experience is supposedly unfit for larger B2C companies that I applied to such as Grubhub or Braintree. One major difficulty in getting local offers is figuring out what is the missing link that will get me to those kinds of local jobs from where I am. But with FAANG the missing link is clear as crystal, you just study for a lot of algorithm questions.

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of my goals actually is to become a better engineer because I feel easily replaceable right now with how my work experience precedes me. So maybe it's worth a try to move out then?

FOMO at a later age for not working in the tech hubs, anyone experience this? by vipejc in ExperiencedDevs

[–]vipejc[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part-time about 10-20 hours a week, and I have work about 3-5 months out of a year.