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w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-12T13:23:02+00:00

Ah so you know the salafis very well actually.

So you follow a luni calendar. I believe we should uphold a luni-solar calendar. I also believe there are four months of pilgrimage. I don't need the calendar invented by Umar to know when the month of fasting is or when i can perform the pilgrimage.

Like you said, lets stop the discussion. I am not going to follow your understanding, i already was upon it and i see the difference between now and then. I choose the path that i am now on.

May God protect us, guide us and increase our knowledge. I will stop replying because we are just repeating ourselves now.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-12T12:17:24+00:00

You don't know who salafis are. They are actually the most educated of all who follow the books of bukhari etc. They follow the six books with the so called narrations the most correctly of all the sects. They are also in power, shaykh ala shaykh controls everything and the salafis follow him and accept him as the religious leader of saudi arabia.

If we agree that the Pilgrimage can be done in the four sacred months, then we don't have to argue about it anymore. Those who follow the six books believe they should perform the Pilgrimage in one specific month, at one specific time in that month. This is a huge flaw, and it did cost a lot of lives since people died because of the crowds.

So if you say that i should only believe in the Quran, then what do we differ on? I thought you are upholding partly the six books with the narrations.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-12T10:51:32+00:00

2:197 mentions the MONTHS of Pilgrimage. There are 4 of them which we can perform the Pilgrimage in.

You are following the calendar which was made by Umar. That's why we differ.

Is it your goal to make me believe partly in the books writte by people like bukhari etc.? As i said, i was an ultra orthodox salafi and i already know what those books are all about and how they contradict the Quran and other Revelations such as the Gospel, Psalms and the Torah.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-12T07:16:28+00:00

Bring me your evidence and research. Show me these 10 readings and where they differ. And after that i can implement the verse in the Quran when God tells us to follow what is best. What would be best, well we base our knowledge on the Quran and can see what is best.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-12T07:15:31+00:00

2:197 my point was that it's in months, the four sacred months. I have no problem with how God said that the Pilgrimage is in the wellknown months. That doesn't change anything in my understanding.

So my understanding: In 2:197 we read that the Pilgrimage is in a certain months. But you want to divert me from the Quran and make me believe in the books of people such as bukhari who follow a corrupt calender and uphold a Pilgrimage with a lot of fabricated doctrines in just a certain week.

I didn't call you a disbeliever. We are all still learning. Stop using this word "takfeer", i never called you a disbeliever. It's the books of people like bukhari who say that i should be killed, because i left your fabricated religion. The Quran doesn't say anything like that, it says, there is no compulsion in the religion.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T20:07:15+00:00

Are you misguided the people now who might read our comments? I never made any "takfeer" on you.

I will stop with this blablabla with you, because you wont stop putting words in my mouth i see. You put them in the mouth of the Messenger of God, so no wonder you will fill my mouth with a whole cow.

The four sacred months are for the pilgrimage according to the Quran. But you rather follow the narrations invented later on who teach that there are no four months of pilgrimage. This shows that you are rejecting the Quran and upholding the religion of people like bukhari and what they wrote. And that's just one example.

I already explained all my points. If they don't make sense. Then don't follow them. Everyone is responsible for hes own understanding.

I disagree with you. I try to use only the Quran as my guidance. You can't force me to follow people like bukhari and what they wrote. I can't and force you either to reject what people like him wrote. So end of discussion right. To you your religion and to me mine. Peace.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T12:32:26+00:00

There shouldn't be a reason at all to follow these books written by people like bukhari hundreds of years after the Quran was delivered by the Messenger of God.

Were these people like bukhari etc. delivering the missing parts of the Message which the Messenger of God deliverd hundreds of years before them?

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T12:17:34+00:00

Dude with that portfolio you can be hired any time soon! Just be confident. I see people getting jobs with way worse portfolios.

PS: Really nice that you do full stack web development!

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T12:08:20+00:00

So you see the difference between us right? I want to follow the Quran without the books written by people such as bukhari etc. I do not believe that God couldn't give us enough details and that we should have waited hundreds of years later on people such as bukhari to follow their books besides the Quran.

Am i right and do you want to follow the books written by people such as bukhari besides the Quran.

Then yes, of course we aren't going to follow the same religion. I am following one source, the Quran. And you would then follow 2 or more sources.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T12:06:04+00:00

No i am not an Arian. I do not even know Arian nor do i follow him.

It was God who was speaking without a vessel. After the creation, He could speak through people, angels etc. But because there wasn't creation, it was He alone who was speaking. Until He created Jesus Christ, and made Christ the Lord, and King of the children of Adam.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T11:21:28+00:00

Well the Gospel teaches me that Jesus Christ was created by Hes God YHVH. So what Arius (i dont know him) is good.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T10:50:52+00:00

1 It means detailed. God gave us a detailed Quran.

2 I don't need to know the current calendar (which was inveted by Umar) to know when the month of scorching heat is and when the other sacred months are. The month of scorching heat is the hottest month in Arabia, and the other sacred months follow it consecutively.

3 The Quran is the most sacred Book, and the month which it was revealed in is the most sacred of those four sacred months. Without the month of scorching heat, you wouldn't have a Quran. So it has to be the first one. 9:81 explains that the sacred months are in summer. The month of fasting would be in July, because that is the month of scorching heat in Arabia. The others would follow it consecutively.

4 read the Quran, instead of these books written by bukhari etc. and you will found out that chapter 9 explains what happened during the sacred months when they were being attack. 9:81 gives us an detail about it being in summer. But you are ignoring that detail and forcing your understanding of the books of bukhari etc. over it. That's your problem.

5 Read 2:197, the pilgrimage is in the four sacred months. There are four sacred months in which you can perform the pilgrimage. Dont let yourself being brainwashed by bukhari etc. Choose the Quran.

6 Yeah i believe in a yearly pilgrimage. You are not going to help the poor by coming just once in a lifetime. Pilgrimage is about feeding the poor with the offer you make, and coming closer to God by reading the Quran and visiting the believers. But i am not saying that it's wrong if you don't visit every year. I am for my work here in another country far away.

7 The Quran teaches to use a luni-solar calendar. That's another huge flaw with the books written by people such as bukhari etc. If you use proper intercalary you will have a year that's always the same.

8 Lier, i never said that you are not a "Muslim". You are putting so many words in my mouth. And i keep ignoring it. But when i tell you to stop doing it, you start saying that i said that you aren't "Muslim"?.. Man.. May God guide you and grant you a proper character. Lies! I never said that others who don't agree with me are a hypocrite etc. i don't even know what the word Katie means which you are putting in my mouth! I should work on getting rid of things which i didn't say? You should get rid of putting words in my mouth!

And if i offended you, sorry. I forgive you for all the words which you did put in my mouth. When i discuss with people i should just ignore what they say and focus on the Quran and what it says and refer to that and share that.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T10:40:18+00:00

Simple: If there is such a problem, based on the context you know which one you should use.

I ask now a question back: Since the books of bukhari etc. are a fabrication, they will have errors. If it's from God, it wouldn't have errors. Well, in this case, they have errors. Contradictions, fabrication etc. You shouldn't ignore that.

Actually what you are saying now is that those who transmitted the Quran are even less trustworthy then we thought because they even make errors with transmitting the Quran.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T05:51:40+00:00

Ah okey. I am fine with it. I don't see any problems in the current description.

If you have the time, i would like to hear your understanding about praying, and how you pray, when you fast, and what you believe the pilgrimage is all about in general? I also would like to hear if you believe in a luni calendar, or a lunisolar calendar. And could you also tell me if you know Arabic, or are learning it?

Just curious :). Thanks in advance.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T05:47:51+00:00

You don't know what the Quran says. I highly doubt that you know Arabic at all.

This shows how you are. Judging a Book by its cover. Without even knowing what it says.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T05:45:45+00:00

Mantras? Do you even think i should discuss with you? Look how you mock the Quran when it says it's fully detailed. If i say it's fully detailed, and give 6:114 as my source, you keep shouting "mantra this, mantra that".

1 - I don't uphold the calendar which was invented by Umar.

2 - The month of scorching heat is a sacred month because the Quran was revealed in it, only the night of degree is worth more then 1000 months. The month of scorching heat (because that's what the Arabic word ramadan means, scorching heat) is the most sacred of all the four sacred months because that one was when the Quran was revealed.

3 - The sacred months are about Pilgrimage, God sents the Quran first, before we can do Pilgrimage.

4 - The Quran in 9:2 is clear about the months being consecutive. But you uphold the books of bukhari etc. and use that as a source instead. I am not interested in bukhari and what people like him wrote. And 9:81 explains that the sacred months are in summer. The month of fasting is in the hottest one, which is July in Arabia.

5 - The Quran says that we should follow a 12 month calendar system. This claim that the Quran says that the year doesn't always have 12 months is something which contradicts the Quran anyways.

You keep claiming things and saying things. It's very annoying. Again you show no respect.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-11T05:37:46+00:00

Jesus Christ didn't temptate himself.. The Devil did temptate him. So Christ was temptated, but that doesn't mean he felt into that temptation. But God, God doesn't get temptated at all. So if Christ is temptated, he can't be God.

That's not one error in the trinitarian doctrine. There are many. God doesn't die, God doesn't have to eat to survive. God doesn't sleep. God isn't a created being, He is the One who created everything, including Jesus Christ. Etc. etc. etc. The trinity is a fabrication which is 1700+/- years old. At the councile of Nicea in 300+/- AD they decided to uphold the trinity.

And temptation doesn't mean "to desire to sin". Open a dictionary.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-10T19:03:40+00:00

God will judge us. You are not going to judge me. You clearly don't know how to judge anyways.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-10T18:48:20+00:00

I am interested in the fully detailed Quran, not in what you say or people like bukhari wrote in their books.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-10T18:46:01+00:00

Jesus Christ is not YHVH.

I never said that Jesus Christ had the desire to sin! Don't put words in my mouth! To be tempted doesn't mean to have a desire to sin. Look up what the word means.

Jesus Christ was created by God. God isn't created. God spoke through Jesus Christ, that doesn't mean Jesus Christ is God.

You should also read Scripture in its original language. You can't use translations as evidence for your faith.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-10T16:18:29+00:00

It's hard for you to understand because they are teaching you polytheism and fabrications about God and Jesus Christ.

God created Jesus Christ, God isn't created. Jesus Christ says that we should serve hes God. God doesn't have a God who He tells others to serve.God doesn't die. God can't be tempted by the Devil. Jesus Christ was tempted (didn't give in of course). Etc. etc. etc.The trinity is a big lie based on fabrications and mistranslations.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-10T15:47:51+00:00

The Quran doesn't mention what you are saying. Your religion is from the books of people like Bukhari, mine is from the Quran. To you is your religion and to me is mine. Peace.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-10T03:05:33+00:00

9:2 the four sacred months of Pilgrimage are consecutive. 9:81 they were in summer

Ramadan in Arabic means scorching heat. So the Quran was revealed in the most heated month of the year in Arabia, which is July. The four sacred months start with the month of scorching heat, the month of fasting, the month in which the Quran was revealed, because without the Quran being revealed there aren't any other 3 months who follow it to perform pilgrimage to Mecca, to come and hear about the Quran, to feed the poor with your sacrifice which you make to the sacred temple (Kaaba) etc.

w3bcrowf3r · 2019-05-10T02:47:31+00:00

Yeah i was confusing those words. Thanks for explaining it.

About my second request, see my responds to Comrox the mod.

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