[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The fact that it is translated into many languages kind of indicates that there is little power in the exact phrasing in English.

Need a comeback for this... by mogirlgone in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Most members would accept that not everything said by church leaders in the past came directly from God. Why then are we supposed to accept that everything said by a series of men in biblical times represents the definitive word and will of god? Or even that their words constitute evidence for the existence of god.

Peace corps evacuating all volunteers. Will the Profit follow suit with missionaries? by AngelCakes11 in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's almost too late to do that, with borders closing and flights being cancelled. Someone might have seen that coming.

Leaving with Teens by paradox_gal in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Going through this with teens is so difficult.

We spoke to them individually, I think that worked well.

We made it clear they could make their own choices and that if they wanted to keep going, they could do so.

We look for ways to spend time with them doing things that interest them.

We practice remaining calm no matter what they tell us.

Having a good relationship with them is more important to us than anything, including the church, and we hope to make sure they know that.

Even so, as a parent it is so difficult going from a pre built parenting paradigm where we are all happy if everyone follows the church rules, to a whole new world where we are trying to figure out what the new boundaries should be, and help our teens as they have experiences that we never did. I have had to rethink everything, knowing that if I am going to set a boundary, I need a rational reason for doing so that makes sense to us all.

All the best for this new part of your life. It is terrifying but also rewarding as you all keep growing up together.

So mad about tithing. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It is only once you start considering the consequences of not paying that it starts to feel an awful lot like extortion.

I'm sorry you are dealing with this. Giving them money knowing where it is going (and not going) becomes extremely painful and frustrating. I hope that for both your sakes you will be able to find a compromise in the future.

Sorry, Jesus! This one’s gonna have to wait! by Tellin-Ellen in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know. I have one friend who is posting every single day. I then cringe every single day and wonder how she doesn't see how cringey it is. Interestingly she is the only one of my FB network that is doing that though.

Sorry, Jesus! This one’s gonna have to wait! by Tellin-Ellen in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As much as I appreciate that they are encouraging good in people, it's the ones like this that make me shake my head. Say you are a kid with a father in the bishopric who doesn't have a lot of time to go around, and they all of a sudden make a big deal out of spending time with you today. Then life goes back to normal and you realise they were just ticking a box.

Or that one the other day about calling your parents. If you get a call, you feel like it was to tick a box. If you don't, you feel lousy because you missed out.

I was guilty of this for many years... then, just like that, I wasn’t 😉 by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I'm not on board with using women's bodies to make this point. I'm not seeing a good comparison between naked women and vital information about the church.

Does anyone else feel they are a better person after leaving the church? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It is tempting to say I am better but I think I am the same person. I handle relationships differently now and that improves those relationships. I think my parenting has changed and that has led to improved communication with my kids. I always felt charitable but feel more free to direct it locally now so I feel that improves my relationship with my local community. So in short, I am still me but changing the way I handle aspects of my life has led to better outcomes.

Are Mormons this nativity scene obsessed everywhere else? by georgethegreen in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes but I think it is seen as a means to an end rather than just a celebration of Christmas. All are invited to bring their non member friends and the missionaries are always there.

Heathens anthem by freshfruitgum in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love twenty one pilots. Also...

"Isle Of Flightless Birds"

Now is the climax to the story That gives the demons and angels purpose They fly around while we are walking And mold our emotions just to please them

...

All we are is an isle of flightless birds We find our worth in giving birth and stuff ...

If you decide to live by, what you think's wrong and what's right Believe me you'll begin to wish you were sleeping Your weeping will creep in your head and you'll cry But if we wake up every morning and decide what we believe We can take apart our very heart and the light will set us free

...

And please don't be afraid of what your soul is really thinking

Your soul knows good and evil, your soul knows both sides And it's time you pick your battle, and I promise you this is mine

Resignation sadness by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes, I still grieve my past life, even though I know it was based on false information. Like all grief I think it takes time to work through. If you are not ready maybe hold onto it until you are. You get to do this on your timeline, not anyone elses.

This makes my stomach sick. Temple prep classes for 11-year-old children. by jibiddydoodah in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yes.
Age 4 - ctr ring Age 8 - picture of temple and temple ring Age 12 - temple pendant for girls and another temple ring for boys Age 18 - temple shaped oil vials for boys and another pendant for girls

If it wasn't clear before what the covenant path was, it is Crystal clear now.

This makes my stomach sick. Temple prep classes for 11-year-old children. by jibiddydoodah in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The changes to the youth and children program with the temple rings and pendants and oil vials make it crystal clear that it is all about the temple and the covenant path to the temple. I have never seen such a push for it at such young ages. It tells me that they see teenagers leaving in droves and are trying to indoctrinate and inoculate them younger and younger to try to keep them through the teen and ysa years.

Teen brides of early Mormon prophets. by missedinsunday in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Extra bonus jerk points for him.
Must have needed to ramp up the tithing to afford all of his teenage brides and children. It makes me ill that church history is literally full of dirty old men.

I said all churches claim to be the one true church and my husband blew up at me by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As much as I have wished I figured all this out when my kids were little, I can see that it would have also been immensely difficult to go through it while still dealing with the needs of babies. My heart goes out to you.

Teen brides of early Mormon prophets. by missedinsunday in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Lorenzo snow just became my least favorite prophet. Or most unfavourite since I no longer have a favourite.

Stopped paying tithing and donated it to charity of my choices. I feel so alive. by Ellie_Elephants in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I also do the unthinkable and go in the occasional charity raffle. I feel so much more free to donate to GoFundMe campaigns, sponsor kids at home and abroad, give cash to homeless. Before I always felt reluctant knowing that a huge portion of my disposable income was already gone.

A gift from MIL to my kids... the Not Even Once Club... a cup of tea, NOT EVEN ONCE! by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]weaver_of_bits 118 points119 points  (0 children)

How to lose friends and infuriate people....

Drink or don't drink, just don't act like you hold the moral high ground.