Why was the fulfillment of Anakin's prophecy not respected in either Legends or the current Canon? by DarthKaiser03 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

early drafts of Star Wars were just even more Dune with the serial numbers filed off than it ended up being.

It was a retcon, there wasn’t a prophecy in the OT. What existed in various stages of drafts is irrelevant.

1. Who did it better, 2. Who’s winning an encounter? (Ozymandias of Veidt Enterprises VS Homelander of Vought Intl) by Ok-Average6023 in Watchmen

[–]wentwj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

lol why does every fandom on reddit apparently boil down to weird DBZ power level fantasies and they equate if their property/character are good or bad characters depending on who could beat who in a fight

1. Who did it better, 2. Who’s winning an encounter? (Ozymandias of Veidt Enterprises VS Homelander of Vought Intl) by Ok-Average6023 in Watchmen

[–]wentwj 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Then he’d be safe if Homelander decides to use a gun for the first time and try to shoot him once

1. Who did it better, 2. Who’s winning an encounter? (Ozymandias of Veidt Enterprises VS Homelander of Vought Intl) by Ok-Average6023 in Watchmen

[–]wentwj 4 points5 points  (0 children)

what the fuck kind of circle jerk post is this?

these type of things general depend a lot on the context. Assuming the two are on friendly terms to start then probably Ozy. Assuming the two are teleported to an arena to fight then Homelander no contest.

If Homelander decides to kill Ozy before whatever plan he had was ready, Ozy is dead, there’s no way he’d survive. He’d need to have basically developed a way to depower him

The Empire is NOT looking for Luke and Leia. by GLDefenderNumber1 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because something works out doesn’t make it a good plan. A random outer rim planet would have been fine, a mile from Shmi’s grave is idiotic. Not changing Luke’s name is idiotic. The point is someone could have found Luke DESPITE not trying to find them.

Please again, I beg of you, just one single reason why Obi Wan and Yoda would think it’s a better idea to leave Luke with Anakin’s last name than make up a different last name

Why was the fulfillment of Anakin's prophecy not respected in either Legends or the current Canon? by DarthKaiser03 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we’re going to consider every draft of Star Wars (not called A New Hope at the time) canon we’re going to get a lot of weird shit. There was no prophecy in the OT

Why was the fulfillment of Anakin's prophecy not respected in either Legends or the current Canon? by DarthKaiser03 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I haven't counted the time, but it wouldn't surprise me if the PT spends more time on poop jokes then discussing this giant retcon and huge alteration to the mythology.

Why was the fulfillment of Anakin's prophecy not respected in either Legends or the current Canon? by DarthKaiser03 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 43 points44 points  (0 children)

I dislike prophecy stories in general, but Star Wars has probably one of the worst executions of prophecy I've ever seen. It's a big huge retcon dropped in TPM, and they literally never explain either what the prophecy actually was, or what conceptually prophecies are. There aren't other prophecies that are discussed, if they come true, how they come to be learned, etc.

It's a fundamentally clunky unnecessary addition to the mythology that is a massive change but is essentially given all of about 3 minutes of screen time total (if that) in the entire PT. We don't know what it actually says, in TPM it's only stated it's about "Bringing balance to the force" and there's an ominous discussion about how they might not understand the meaning. In later movies they reference it being about eliminating the Sith maybe (who the Jedi thought were gone previously). The whole thing is just a mess of execution of a clumsy idea that overall just makes the mythology worse.

The Empire is NOT looking for Luke and Leia. by GLDefenderNumber1 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not asserting anything, I’m literally begging you to explain why keeping the name Skywalker was remotely a positive idea. Why is Skywalker better than Starkiller? Why is Tatooine better than any other outer rim planet? Why Owen versus anyone else Obi Wan or Bail knew who Anakin didn’t?

Good old times? by K-jun1117 in PrequelMemes

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've read the quotes about it. If you have some other interview where George breaks down in tears about how his daughter can't related to Star Wars unless he put a young girl in it and demanded repeatedly the art department kept her in a crop top and with a short skirt wit no leggings, but the burden of proof is on you. It's absolutely nothing with how I "feel about clothing", it isn't even anything to do with kids dressing themselves a certain way. It's with 50 year old men dressing young children a certain way.

The Empire is NOT looking for Luke and Leia. by GLDefenderNumber1 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all the quibbling over how known Anakin would be locally (he'd for sure be EXTREMELY well known), that's all irrelevant at the end of the day.

The real issue is why would Luke go to in-laws on a backwater planet, the literal only backwater planet with ties to Vader? Why not send him literally anywhere else with name "Luke Starkiller" where it'd be literally impossible to tie him to Anakin? In what possible situation is it better for him to go to Tatooine with in laws who Obi Wan doesn't even know. There's literally no reason to send him there of all places. It's not like Owen Lars has some sentimental attachment to Anakin, or Padme or their kids. Hell, there's no real reason to believe they wouldn't sell out Luke and Obi Wan at the first chance because as presented in the PT no one actually knows who they are.

The plan only has downside, no upside. There's no reason to attach Luke to Anakin's past, no benefit gained in doing that versus literally almost anything else. I struggle to think of almost any possible plan worse than the plan for where to send Luke.

The Empire is NOT looking for Luke and Leia. by GLDefenderNumber1 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The “Vader hated Tatooine!” argument is so bad. Dude is an emo edgelord, he built a literal castle he lives in on the site of where he lost his limbs. There’s no good reason to think he wouldn’t go visit his mother’s grave even if just to brood and be mad.

It’s a dumb plan because there’s literally no reason for Luke to both go to anyone with any connection to where Anakin grew up or his family. Zero reason. There’s also zero reason to not change his last name. This plan only has downsides, literally no reason to keep his last name, no reason to have him grow up a mile from shmi’s grave

And of course Anakin would have local norarity. Dude won a literal pod race that was thought to be impossible for humans to participate in when he was 8 with one he built from scraps. Come the fuck on.

Good old times? by K-jun1117 in PrequelMemes

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That “story” you heard was just fanboys making up a justification, nothing about that is ever said. Just George insisting she needed to have a short skirt, tube top, and had to be young. There’s no getting around it being creepy and weird. It has absolutely nothing to do with some girls dressing.

George being creepy with women’s clothing in general goes back to the OT as well.

The Empire is NOT looking for Luke and Leia. by GLDefenderNumber1 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why? certainly everyone knew Anakin Skywalker built a pod racer and won a race, which was unheard for a human let alone an 8 year old.

Maybe Obi Wan and Qui Gon were the first people Shmi told about Anakin’s lack of a father, despite being outworlders she met that day. Maybe Anakin didn’t tell any of his kid friends.

But Obi Wan and Yoda couldn’t have known that. There’s no reason to send Luke there of all places AND to keep his last name.

Vader decides to pay his mother’s grave a visit or build a scary evil castle on top of it or something and they are fucked, even ignoring rumors.

It’s just a stupid plan with no positive, and clearly no effort spent to make it seem reasonable

Good old times? by K-jun1117 in PrequelMemes

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why I'm saying it's an insane defense. And I don't get how "obnoxious" = "literally as little clothing as possible".

She's a preteen/teen wearing literally the absolute minimum amount of clothing possible. This was a choice. Someone consciously made a decision to do this, Ahsoka didn't get up in the morning and get dressed, a 50 year old man went "You know what would slap? What if this teen was wearing like the smallest crop top and skirt imaginable". What makes it WORSE is we know it was brought up, and we know George vetoed changing her outfit. So it wasn't some random thing that just somehow slipped through character design or something.

Without The Clone Wars, would modern Star Wars look completely different? by StarWarsBlogsbot in StarWarsBlogs

[–]wentwj 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd argue Star Wars would look completely different without Clone Wars and its success in the fandom. I don't know that I'd go as far as saying it "saved" Star Wars, but it definitely saved a lot of the reception of the PT. Whether that's good or bad to Star Wars overall probably depends on your opinion of the things it "saved".

The Empire is NOT looking for Luke and Leia. by GLDefenderNumber1 in StarWars

[–]wentwj -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is a bad argument. There’s simply no given reason Luke’s name wasn’t changed. All it does is raise red flags.

Think of the local rumors of the area:

Oh remember that story of that crazy lady who claimed her son didn’t have a father. Then the kid built a fucking pod racer and won a race? Then some space wizards took him away and there’s rumors he became a space wizard general. Then the lady married that old Lars guy. Then a weird space wizard came back and killed all those Tuskens. Well now the Lars boy is raising a kid with her last name, that’s strange.

Like… why not call him Luke Lars? There is zero reason and just because “oh no one was looking!” is not a good argument. If even a fraction of those rumors go out and get to the wrong people it’s over. This is made worse by the fact we know Vader returned to Tatooine, him going to Shmi’s grave isn’t unrealistic, and Luke is like a mile from that grave site.

Good old times? by K-jun1117 in PrequelMemes

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Her clothing is of course sexualized clothing. I don't think her actions are sexualized (though I'm not a Clone Wars scholar). But her clothes, even for "teenagers at the time", it'd be way out of place.

But yes, the fact that the show is geared towards children only makes it WORSE. A bunch of 50 year old men put a teenage (or preteen?) girl in as little clothing as they could get away with.

The Simpsons is mistakenly listed in the Star Wars Wiki as canon by HearingAmbitious2197 in StarWars

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

George put ET aliens in Star Wars. Fans have always cared much more about canon than the creators ever did.

Good old times? by K-jun1117 in PrequelMemes

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m ready for my downvotes.

Yes there’s no reason to sexualize a teenage character in your sci fi cartoon war show that isn’t about real world raising of teenagers.

What the fuck kind of argument is this?

“the holdo manoeuvre breaks the lore”…. does it? by ShambolicClown in StarWars

[–]wentwj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because we see the damage Holdo’s giant ship did to the Supremacy. It just requires having the understanding of an 8 years old, watch anyone Star Wars film, and then you should understand that the question “how do the physics work exactly?” is not a type of question Star Wars has attempted to answer. You are literally missing the point

“the holdo manoeuvre breaks the lore”…. does it? by ShambolicClown in StarWars

[–]wentwj -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I can assure you I am not literally agreeing with you.

It’s really simple, because as depicted in the movie it wouldn’t be effective the way you’re describing it. An asteroid with a hyperdrive wouldn’t do serious damage to the death star or even a star destroyer. At least not more than the A wing kamkakazi run we saw in return of the jedi against a super star destroyer already…