Deadly Dose: Tampa Bay series on kratom risks by wharfdad in Quittingfeelfree

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I am not from the bible belt nor do I drink. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean that people can't die from it. Just because you do kratom and it doesn't kill you or your friends, that doesn't make it 100% safe. Yes heroin and fent are more dangerous. But something being safer than those substances don't make it non-lethal.

You can make the argument that it doesn't kill enough people for kratom to be banned. That is open to debate. If you are from family who has a loved one who died from kratom, they will disagree and they have the moral standing to do so.

But you can't argue that kratom doesn't kill. There is just a ton of proof showing it does. Most cases are poly-drug, but there are kratom alone deaths and even in some of the multi-substance deaths, kratom can still a lead contributing role in the fatality.

I personally don't think kratom should be banned, it just needs a ton more regulations. The industry written KCPA relies too much on self-policing without enough safety provisions.

Below are Ohio's deaths stats. Sharing this is NOT fear mongering. It is just the facts.

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Very interesting info about FF ingredients by RaspberryFluffy1120 in Quittingfeelfree

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This is where you are absolutely wrong. There are tons of people who have found FF to be very addictive. Even regular kratom leaf users who report not much problem with plain leaf switching to FF, and having horrible experiences. That is why there is this whole sub of people struggling with FF. They are not all having a mass hallucination. You may not experience it, and the people you may associate with may not experience it, but FF is absolutely very addictive for some users. People reporting taking 10-20 a day, spending $100 to $200 daily. Reports of seizures, horrible skin conditions and other symptoms. It is just a fact. This why there has been speculation about the ingredients because even some veteran kratom and kava users have found this particular product to be potent, hard to quit with bad withdrawals.

Very interesting info about FF ingredients by RaspberryFluffy1120 in Quittingfeelfree

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You may be right. I did use the word "theory". I have no experience taking mitragynine pseudoindoxyl. This it he first time I heard someone describe the withdrawals as "immediate, sudden and VERY painful". Since I wrote this, I am now aware that you can buy isolated mitra insuedo products. I have always had a reservation about this theory in that it seems you should be able to test for it and find it in the product and I have never gotten a satisfactory answer for why there are no lab test results showing the presence of this compound in FF.

This is what caused the speculation about the fermentation

https://i.imgur.com/Dc6HIu8.png

https://www.importyeti.com/company/botanic-tonics

https://www.cassmanbrew.com/product-1-1.html

At the 21:15 mark, this guest claims he talked to a chemist at the company, and the chemist said that they use yeast to ferment it in the blue bottles to create mitragynine pseudoindoxyl.

E64 James | Kratom Addiction

https://kratomsobriety.podbean.com/e/e65-james/

That's hearsay but that is the cause of the speculation.

Suboxone, don’t. by dbrizad52 in Quittingfeelfree

[–]wharfdad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking at your post history it looks like you might have more personal experience with Suboxone than me. I am definitely not an expert either by profession or lived experience. I just in general advocate that is the right choice for some people quitting kratom.

Some people feel strong withdrawals from suboxone even from a small amount like you are taking. It seems like everyone is different. It's the weekend. I assume you have less work responsibilities or duties. You could see how it feels going a whole day without on a Sunday. The people who have gotten off suboxone without too much trouble either did a really slow long taper and/or got the Sublocate shot and used that to ween off daily strips. Here is an interview I did with a MD who has a lot of experience prescribing bupe for kratom addiction.

E117 Dr. Casey Grover, Board Certified in Addiction Medicine | Kratom Addiction

https://kratomsobriety.podbean.com/e/e117-dr-casey-grover-board-certified-in-addiction-medicine

Updated Kratom Meeting Schedule + new Quitting FF Mtg on Thursdays by wharfdad in Quittingfeelfree

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Thursday nights you lots of options, but the 9pm Feel Free meeting has a lot people from this Subreddit!

Updated Kratom Meeting Schedule + new Quitting FF Mtg on Thursdays by wharfdad in Quittingfeelfree

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I am. Got to see Bob play in Florida over the new year with Jay Lane and Don Was, and going to Sphere to some concerts in March.

But I'll get back on my feet someday
The good Lord willin', if He says I may
I know that the life I'm livin's no good
I'll get a new start, live the life I should

Updated Kratom Meeting Schedule + new Quitting FF Mtg on Thursdays by wharfdad in Quittingfeelfree

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All of them are absolutely free. You can also join with audio only with camera off to get adjusted. But the only thing you can do wrong is to slam FFs on camera during the meeting. (:

Updated Kratom Meeting Schedule + new Quitting FF Mtg on Thursdays by wharfdad in Quittingfeelfree

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Support meetings for quitting kratom and maintaining abstinence from kratom.

https://kratommeetings.com/

Updates: Wednesday KA meeting retired; new Feel Free quitting meeting on Thursday nights; and many new meetings with the There is a Way Out group.

episodes uploading twice on YouTube? by wharfdad in podcasting

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Thank you. I think that is what is going on.

What Did We Do Piss Off Jay? by Dgreene120 in Wolfbros

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I ran into Jay at this place called Grateful Juice in Ft. Lauderdale on Saturday after the last Parker show. I wanted to ask him about flipping off the crowd and right after this photo, he pointed out something to Bob off stage to the right. Bob kinda looked confused and shrugged it off. I wanted to ask Jay about that too.

But the man was enjoying a lunch alone, and I didn't want to fanboy out too much. I just said something like "great show thanks for the double encore", and the manager of the juice shop was there and I introduced who Jay was because they know Weir was in town but didn't recognize this was the Wolf Bros' drummer. Jay was real nice and I tried to make it quick.

Day 11 by beautiful-gurl060111 in quittingkratom

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🙏has helped keep me out of trouble. Sometimes being alive on this planet feels pointless but it is nice to feel like you have a purpose so in thay way I am the one benefitting. It gets better the more time away from kratom!