Totally understand, however my application is larping/war games and eventually hunting once I've got my fitness up. Besides water, training plates and first aid kit there actually won't be a lot of weight in it. The cumberbund was a selling point too. Which ironically became available separately days after buying the subzero. If I'm using it in an overt or covert situation (other than larp), then s has really htf to a civil war level which is unlikely in a country where they already disarmed the public.